TankBuster

Great! You perpetuate a wonderful Michael Moorishly edited piece of video. And then turn around in other threads and bemoan the anti-Obama smears on Snopes. Pick an ethical position will ya? The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Go right ahead. If a candidate has a "negative" issue in their record, then it's fair game to bring it up. This notion that we should only listen to Obama's rhetoric (and believe it) or his non-commital sound bytes (and swoon over them) or risk being considered "negative" is assinine. Truth is - Obama is a very charismatic man and there are vast numbers who won't look further than that. Many of us who do look at his (negative) history find not a reformer but at best a typical politician and at worst a typical Chicago politician with ties to radical left wing organizations and radical left wing extremists. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Ahhh, nice shift. What the hell do Snopes myths have to do with the information in Piper's thread? If you have no argument, point to something else that's questionable? The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

So, bringing out the truth about a man's ACTUAL record, rather than listening to his constant chameleonist shifts and the media's messianic praise is negative campaigning. Interesting. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

You may not give a shit, but many do. And, I challenge you to provide some actual facts rather than speak to what the "average reneck mofo" and "average rich snot" actually give. And Bachelor really does get to the heart of politics here. Rely on Nanny Federal government to help people in need, or rely on first each other, then local, then maybe state government. Liberals assume the worst in all cases. "Gov HAS to do it, individuals won't." Biden's a true liberal. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Better question: Is Campbell Brown sexy? The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Bachelor I'm sorry that your post didn't get many responses, but I expected it. Biden claimed every other deduction he had, it's reasonable to expect that he would have deducted charitable contributions. There are several on this forum who constantly beat up conservatives as being heartless and uncaring. They are hoping your thread dies a quick death. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

That may well be her personal view, but has she proposed legislation to that effect? On the other hand, Sen. Obama, while a state senator, opposed legislation that would force a physician to provide care to an infant born alive during a botched abortion. I think Christians and non-Christians alike find that reprehensible. But the point of this thread is still pretty obvious. I think it's dishonest and a cheap shot. http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_abortion/2008/08/19/123525.html The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Wow. Alot happened while I was gone. My point was that to invalidate Christianity because there is sin (or in other terms "shitbaggedness") among us is missing the basis of Christianity. There have been some good people try to explain it on these forums and it meets with sarcasm and hatred and obtuse comments. I won't try because I don't think this is a good medium to explain something spiritual. But, call me or better yet come to my home and we will share some food and drink and good conversation. That's open to all of you. Kallend and Amazon included.... Normally people attack what they are afraid of. It seems many of you live in a state of anger and unforgiveness. Why? The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

The Catholic church has its problems. One thing you need to understand about Chrisianity. You don't get in by presenting an "I am sinless" card. In our faith there was only one card carrier. If a pedophile finds his way into the priesthood, it's abominable, but it needs to be dealt with, just the same as if, say, a college professor or elementary school teacher uses their position to get sex. I understand your disdain for Christians, but why the constant attacks? I'd never lump you into the same group as Debra Lafave. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Ah, Bush has proposed the plan, and Congress must aprove it. Both houses, in case you didn't know, are controlled by Democrats. I'm totally against this bailout move, but blaming it on one party or just repeating the lib mantra of "its Bush's fault" is pretty silly. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Kallend you stoop to new lows. This isn't a Christian organization. It's a cult, apparently led by a very disturbed individual. If you hate Christians, I don't care, but pointing to this as indicative of Christianity only exposes your ignorance. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state, i.e., of the proletariat organized as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible. Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionizing the mode of production. These measures will, of course, be different in different countries. Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable. 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. Karl Marx and Frederick Engels The Communist Manifesto The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Take a gander at this and add it to your scary videos. Then you begin to understand "why." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpSDBu35K-8 The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Agreed. And he's a generous man too. He's actually given $3000 to charity in that time. Wow. What a patriot! What a sensitive Democrat! The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Marxism too strong a word for you? Is Socialism better? What word do you prefer for large scale income redistribution? I believe Obama's latest euphemism is "neighborly." Yeah! Neiborlyism! That suit ya? The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

I'm not so sure. There is a recording of the conversation between Bailey and one of Monegan's underlings. I believe that there was no recorded conversation between Bailey and Monegan directly, but not sure on that one. The recorded conversation (you can find it on the web) starts off with a discussion of Union negotiations and then Bailey mentions that they are concerned about the Wooten's behavior. If that's all they have, it is pretty lame. There's a lot more to this story than just "you're fired because you didn't fire my ex BrotherInLaw." Monegan bucked her on other issues, including budget, and she fired him. Perfectly within her right. If Wooten was a model cop and she wanted him fired because of family ties, it would be different. But its not. Much ado about nothing. Wooten is still a cop. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

This is a wonderful thread for anyone trying to paint conservatives as racist. Your post is excellent but I'll go a step further and say it's not just a bit hypocritical, it's totally so, and it's the modus operandi of the left. You only have to look at their treatment of Colin Powell, Condi, and Sarah Palin to know that the only ism that really matters is Marxism, and the sooner the better. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Yeah this one IS great fun. The spin doctors want you to think Wooten's just a normal guy that Palin wanted to fire for revenge. He threatened to kill her father. The investigation by his superiors confirmed that and that he drank beer on duty in a patrol car. He illegally shot a moose, and he tasered the step-son. (not maliciously, but against policy) This guy is scum. I see reason for DEMANDING he be fired for a threat against the first family. Why all the hoopla? The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

OK then I did miss it. If that was a favorable comment toward Dr. Crichton and his article, it was, shall we say, veiled. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Exactly, and the question at hand is - do we accept this prediction as "fact" in the scientific community, or do we continue in the pursuit of true science, to ask questions. Or do we simply attack those who do as stupid, ignorant, and gullible? The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

I read it. What did I miss? You agree then for the need for skepticism and further study, and you're not calling us gullible or ignorant for doing so? Clear that one up for me if you will. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

If that were the premise of his article, you'd have a point. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

So - we are discussing an article which promotes critical thinking, challenging the status quo, being "skeptical" regarding scientific discovery. This is the approach of true science. And we get stupid, ignorant, and gullible. From a college science professor? The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

LMAO. Ya see? You guys can't even figure out who's messin with who this week ON THIS FORUM! How are you going to figure out who perpetrated 911 in 2001? Now, now, boys, you two stop attacking each other! You are on the same side of this seven year old "issue." Get together, have a latte, do a little more research on who makes up the Bush cabinet, and come up with a plausible conspiracy theory. Please. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.