TankBuster

Excellent thread, Jes. I vote yes, and I'm American. But, my biggest beef is with the income tax and SS. As a free man, I should be able to almost totally disappear if I want. From the Feds, that is. But, the IRS can come into my home and snoop around my records, find out what I do for a living, find out what I make, the charities I give to, the size of my home, etc. It should be no one's business but mine. And, I should be allowed to make my own decisions regarding retirement and disability, with no intrusion from the feds. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

There's your answer Cliff. That's when the war would start. IMHO The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

OK, serious question here. You've made a very clear statement advocating resistance by force against elected politicians you happen to disagree with, should they cross some line in your perception of things. Every time discussion of the 2nd amendment comes up, someone makes a similar statement. So why is this OK, presumably it makes you a "true patriot" and all that, but when someone else of a different political leaning actually does take up arms to oppose a government they see as oppressive and unresponsive to the peoples will, they are labeled "terrorists". To be specific, why is Tankbuster (and others of similar persuation) a patriot, but William Ayers is a terrorist, and by extention Obama "pals around with terrorists"? I'm really curious about why you don't see Ayers as an "American patriot", since he actually did what you all threaten to do. Don No, I haven't made a statement of that nature. The 2nd ammendment was intended to ensure that government would never get too powerful and oppressive, because of the threat of armed revolution. When I mention those politicians, including two conservative ones, I'm sort of restating that point. They must fear us, respect our right to bear arms and protect ourselves. Not just from home intrusion, but also from an oppressive government. It isn't a threat to any of them, but a warning which was issued a couple hundred years ago, and not by me. While I'm absolutely diametrically opposed to the current "leadership" in DC, they gained power according to the constitution, and I'm just gonna have to grin and bear it for as long as it lasts. Bend over too, it seems. As in the Declaration of Independence, if enough of us believe that government has become destructive of these ends...... Ayers was a terrorist. Just because he opposed the war didn't give him the right to take up arms against the government. He should be behind bars, but since he's not he's gotten smart and decided to change the government legally, by pushing a radically left agenda through the education system. Hopefully, conservatives will be able to counter this movement, also within the law. There's a big difference between organizing a few hippies to plant bombs, and organizing an entire nation to throw off an oppressive government. If it ever does happen, and I believe there's a decent chance of it in the next few decades, there will patriots and loyalists, just like the last one. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Well to begin, I'm not advocating overthrowing the government at this point. Just knowing that there is an armed populace keeps an otherwise tyrannical government somewhat at bay. (Although I'm beginning to wonder) It's the reason we have the 2nd ammendment, so why is that statement subject to such ridicule? And, if there were several hundred thousand of us with CAR-15s, AKs, M-14s, etc, I believe we could be more than just a pain in the ass. If we became subject to an opressive regime and the economy failed, the military wouldn't exist in its present state, and there is the serious question of how many would fire on their own or join them. In that scenario, many of those in rebellion would be ex-military, could organize, capture weapons that they knew how to use, etc. It may seem like an outlandish scenario, and I certainly hope it never happens, but its not impossible, and it IS the reason for the 2nd ammendment. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Call your Senator.. he can help you out with that. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ahhh. Now it makes perfect sense! The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Companies going out of business are a healthy part of an economy. It serves efficiency.. I guess that's why the economy is so healthy right now. Laugh all you want, it is better for ALL of us if the federal government stays the hell out of the way, and the strong businesses survive. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Damn. I thought it was Government Mandated Orgasms. That would finally be the complete downfall of the GOP..... since most of them are incapable of knowing what those are( well except for the rather large closeted Log Cabin types)...let alone having any. So, ......Only large gay republicans have orgasms? Anybody else understand this post? Call your Senator.. he can help you out with that. Trying to disparage Sen Shelby by calling him a closet homosexual? That's not the PC Amazon we all know and love! The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Companies going out of business are a healthy part of an economy. It serves efficiency. The Feds should stay out of it, because they never go out of business, no matter HOW inefficient they get. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

What we need is a new party of fiscally conservative libertarians. It's as if they chose him and asked him to come up with a speech the night before. Silly story notwithstanding, there was some great content, we just need an Obama delivery. We need Ronnie. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

------- Here's a scary looking gun (see pic). OOOOOH.....My favorite scary gun of all time. It has one HELLUVA third gear. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Since you folks tell us that the same functionality is found in "scary looking" packages as in more normal ones, what is the purpose of buying a "scary looking" firearm for hunting? Do you want to scare the animals away before you shoot them? It's not about hunting, my friend. It's about making sure we always have the ability to defend ourselves against tyranny. So hopefully my black gun scares plenty of people, namely Pelosi, Frank, Obama, hell Bohner, Shelby, etc. My brown gun is pretty scary too, esp with the 40 round banana magazine, and it's a helluva lot of fun to shoot. AND, if the fecal matter ever DOES hit the rotating blades, I can add a third gear to both of those. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Damn. I thought it was Government Mandated Orgasms. That would finally be the complete downfall of the GOP..... since most of them are incapable of knowing what those are( well except for the rather large closeted Log Cabin types)...let alone having any. So, ......Only large gay republicans have orgasms? Anybody else understand this post? The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Damn. I thought it was Government Mandated Orgasms. I was guessing Giant Mocha Oreos. mmm.. Do they make those? What about Giant Mammary Organs? The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Damn. I thought it was Government Mandated Orgasms. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

It was full of pork, not earmarks. Many consider the distinction unimportant, but it makes the statement true, or as as true as any propaganda coming from the White House for the past several residents. It really depends on what the definintion of "is" is. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

k - cut him a break. He said he was gonna find a cure for cancer. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2009/02/20/obama.mayors.stimulus.cnn?iref=videosearch Yep. And here he is lecturing mayors on "fiscal responsibility." Spend it wisely he says. Does that include mouse habitats and art endowments, one wonders. Now we have Clinton in China begging them to keep buying our debt. I heard a fitting term on the news yesterday -"tyranny of incompetence." The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

No, but that's what he said, in his great speeches. I saw through him from the beginning. Did you believe it? And if so, what do you think now? The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Bullshit. Read the original post. I'M not the one who changed the subject. And even if we thought she was a criminal, we were led to believe that the new administration would be BETTER. Bullshit. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

It should be required viewing in the 9th thru 12th grades. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Maybe OJ can give him some pre trial tips. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

That's bullshit. She turned the meals in as an expense, and they paid it! How is that fraud? She didn't lie or cover it up. Not stealing. Now the state wants to call it income, fine. May not look like a small government governor, but it IS an entirely different situation from several people who know what income to report, but don't. In any case, isn't the Obama administration supposed to be BETTER in this new era of responsibility and change? Ha. What a bunch of shit. You guys keep believing it. Maybe it'll come true. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

That would be a wonderful idea, and in that light it really should be a defunct organization, but unfortunately they do not promote the advancement of "all people." The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

I gotta take up for Sarah. Mainly because she's hot, but also because the situations aren't even close. She claimed per diem from the state, and they deemed it appropriate and paid it. They issued her a W-2, and it didn't include the per diem. Also appropriate. Now they've backtracked, and decided to reissue the W-2 and call the per diem payments income. So she owes the taxes. The Obama Turbo Tax cabinet/staff is Chicago politics at its best. I agree with Chuck. At some point, even the die hard worshippers are gonna start having doubts. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

Why? He paid into the ponzi scheme too. He deserves his money as much as anyone else. I guarantee you he'd rather have been able to invest the money himself. Then he'd have a nice boat, a jet, AND a cc membership. Or... he could have a bunch of worthless stock certificates after the money was invested by a right wing lugnut who drove the economy into the toilet.. while he and his friends did very well with their nice little war, and the raid on the treasury. We at least dodged that bend over and enjoy it moment. Or, he could have invested it in his own business, or his kids education, or any number of "right wing" causes that HE decided to invest in. Freedom, personal responsibility. Your dubya rants are getting pretty hilarious. Take a xanax. The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.