Lucky...

I disagree. Look, I don't waer it like a badge either, but it appears that you are somewhere left.

Feel free, but my point stands, libs infight, Repubs suck it up and refuse to look other than 100% united. Hence with us or aganst us. So six elections in a row, the R's won 5 of. That is the most fucking weird way to state 5 of 6 I've ever had the displeasure to read. The "row" drops when something breaks it. Hence Obama inherited a GDP that had 4 of the last 5 Q's negative, not 4 of 5 in a row Riiiiight, right, right. The 300k ethics penalty and being ostercized and made to ride in the back of teh proverbial bus had nothing to do with it. Newt was the John Gotti of the Republican Party; he was done and they were done with him. And their current hammering. HUH? The 80's to 2006, so the period of time where the debt went from < 1 T to about 9T. Yea, glory years. And Clinton did what he could to dimish the debt/deficit, and dickhead GWB ruined all that. What? 2 years, are you talkinmg Jan 93 to Jan 95? Try the Dems owned congress from Jan 87 to Jan 95. In that time there were 2 major tax increases and the deficit started turning; this was the only time the debt/deficit had some relief.

Lucky's just getting a little defensive. Its starting to dawn on him that he and others might have to pay for their own health insurance. No, I will have the rich guys pay for it just to piss off the poor Republicans who, for some reason, feel the need to protect the rich so the rich can in turn take a dookie all over them too.

I love neo-con answers; better look it up. Liberals most often post support. http://www.ece.okstate.edu/old/abet/Assessment/Program%20Level/Capstone%20Reports/CarburetorIcingRiskDetectionSystem.pdf Page 14 has a graph and there is all kinds of text to support that. Faa stats and data - pretending that you can understand it. And: http://helicopterflight.net/icing.htm It is often taught that carburetor icing occurs at any temperature between +20 and +70 degrees F, with visible moisture present. The problem with that teaching is that visible moisture is not necessary for carburetor icing to occur. 50 percent relative humidity is plenty for carburetor icing, and you cannot see that. You really are so easy. So your lame ambiguous question of what 20 means to general aviation. Uh, carb icing is far more important than some sissy 20 degree turn, esp since that a rough guideline and part of a larger equation. Carb icing; 20 is gospel; been taught that way for a long time. You're talking training more for commercial license where that is necessary, PP training is more about survival and 30 degrees is a typical banked turn taught. My dad was a CFI for years. Don't worry, I won;t let a person near me in the acft that is a so-called pilot and isn't aware that iciing is most prevalent around 20F. To spend 1 second doing a touch of the fuel selector when the runway may not be made is a good idea. Also, using your scenario, you are aware that you lost power, meaning you had at least a little throttle in play, so that means you probably need it. I didn't say you should look down at it, dink around with it, fumble with it, but esp in a 172 if you're left seat, your right hand is on the throttle, you could drop it in easily a second to feel the "arrow" pointed fwd. Short final can mean a lot of different things, but in my world it doesn't mean over the fence yet, so a punch of power could be the diff. Either way, you asked if I would call for mayday or try to restard teh engine, I declared neither; recall what I wrote? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADRA_enUS341US341&defl=en&q=define:short+final&ei=To_vSoyfD4iYMaK2oI4H&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title&ved=0CAsQkAE the last minute or so of an aircraft's flight path as it approaches an airfield or LZ. Do you still feel brilliant? Last minute? As I say, short final is not over they fence yet, but of course you're right and everyone else is wrong. Yes, I would make a quick check for gas as I decided if I would make the field, if not, find another place to land. I am right, just as carb icing is most prevalent at 20F. You just look silly. Oh thank you god of 15 minutes of aviation. I am vary familiar with counter rotating props and offset thrust lines. Show me any source for that. Explain how the material is drawn and how the rivet is swollen. You can luck out and have it play, but if the shank swells and grbs teh laminates, you have a gapper. With blind riveting you need to have the laminates together or you could gap between them. NOW, TELL ME THE VARIOUS TYPES OF BLIND RIVETS. BTW, I JUST SOLD A SET OF 7 OLYMPIC RIVET SET HEADS THE OTHER DAY, WHAT ARE THEY. HINT: do a google. How do diff types of blind rivets draw? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. I've been in aviation since 83, specialize in sheet metal since 89; ar eyou trying to teach me something? You mean patent it? If you're talking the drilling process, etc, yea, but I was strictly talking the installation where you load the rivet, stick it in the hole and pull; the actual process of installing is 1 step: pull the trigger. Now you'll break it down to 6 steps for theatric value. You can break down wiping your ass to 15 steps if you want, installing a blind rivet is 1 step. You get 1 chance and you can't go back for more; it's good or it's bad. About where I am, I don;t expect anything but a kid to walk me down my lifelong career and try to school me. P Factor is a paraphrasation of the total effect. You have torque effect trying to roll the acft left, P FActor trying to yaw the acft left. I'm sure we can break it down to a science from there, but that is the essence of it. And of course it is most noticeable at low speeds with full throttle. Brittle? You are the only person who brought in "brittle." You act as tho I stated it. I wrote, "hard," the rivets are kept cold to stay workable, if they warm tehy get hard, hence the name, "icebox rivets," In fact I will go back to show what I wrote in the post where i answer you the first time: Did you miss my passage the first time? I didn't write, "brittle." You did. We have icebox rivets where teh rivets are purchased that way and we havee to keep them way < 0 degrees or they become unshootable. We alos make our own if we have a saltbath that's at ~1,000 degrees. We put rivets in a basket, submerge the basket for 30 mins, take tehm out, quench them and put them on ice. They will be useable until we let them thaw. They are still useable, but a lot harder. We use this process for "D" rivets and harder. If you have to pound the shit out of the airframe to drive a rivet that can cause damage, so to ease the hitting you use icebox rivets. I can't believe that a kid like you is acting as if you are teching me a thing about sheetmetal. Kid, I will post pics of the 182 I'm rebuilding for a customer. Wings off, I installed Flint tanks at wing station 100-136 instead of out at the tips per engineering. Maybe if you're nice I'll post pics of the Chieftain I reskinned after its 2nd belly-in. Fabbed the keels, frames, and skind from scratch. Here's one for ya, how do you form parts from raw material if they have compound shapes? What material type, what otehr processes. HINT: the compounds are such that you can't use typical 2024 T-3, 7075 T-6, so what do you use? I feel bad for you, you look silly and you're running. Now tell me about chem milling. Address the carb ice - 20 degrees. You just look silly. BTW, what is your profession.

Well, sorry, we'll post more pictures so you're more able to understand them.

Ah yes, I love righties, you know you hit a nerve and they cannot respond when they attack spelling. Here, let me hepl you out for the next one

Yes, of course...because there were NEVER any posts about Laura Bush having a DUI, or selling pot, or anything like that. Or Laura Bush killing a guy while driving. Were you beating around that one? See, that's something taht happened, whereas Michelle Obama has done nothing but + things. But remember, you brought in the Laura Bush matter. http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp SHE KILLED MICHAEL DOUGLAS!!!! Ran a syop sign at 50mph. Vehic manslaughter, and Michelle Obama is so bad? Show 1 negative thing she's done. But of course if you love RW spin, here it is: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2148105/laura_bush_killed_a_guy_yes_she_did_pg2_pg2.html?cat=9 Now, did Laura Bush kill a guy? It seems that the person who would become Mrs. George W. Bush was inadvertently the cause of the death of a young man. And before someone can facetiously interject that, technically, Laura Bush's car killed the guy... Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy in your prior post. I only responded to another post. But where did I ever say Laura was a lesser FL due to her vehic manslaughter she was never charged for? Hypocrite? Yes, let me hear you run on about Ted Kennedy.

They rarely are. They really are.

Yes, of course...because there were NEVER any posts about Laura Bush having a DUI, or selling pot, or anything like that. Or Laura Bush killing a guy while driving. Were you beating around that one? See, that's something taht happened, whereas Michelle Obama has done nothing but + things. But remember, you brought in the Laura Bush matter. http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp SHE KILLED MICHAEL DOUGLAS!!!! Ran a syop sign at 50mph. Vehic manslaughter, and Michelle Obama is so bad? Show 1 negative thing she's done. But of course if you love RW spin, here it is: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2148105/laura_bush_killed_a_guy_yes_she_did_pg2_pg2.html?cat=9 Now, did Laura Bush kill a guy? It seems that the person who would become Mrs. George W. Bush was inadvertently the cause of the death of a young man. And before someone can facetiously interject that, technically, Laura Bush's car killed the guy...

Shoots....scores. It's very awkward to watch conservatives show their gross dislike for Dems, yet try to sound realy civilized and diginified while denograting a man's wife, kids and whomever. If that is how you understood the post then you are the one that needs help. No OT for you

AKA, the moralists put up with the greedy fiscal jerks and vice versa to increase their party size. But as we see, the R's have become embroiled in many sexual, gay and straight escapades, alienting the fundies. Yes, some have and we need to. You can eevn see it present here on DZ.com, JCD and I have similar beliefs, but we infight over small diffs, if we were neo-cons we would ignore small diffs and stay party loyal. SNL did a skit on that a short time ago. And only that touchdown gave team X the win. Actually it was Nixon's crookedness and Ford's forgiveness, if Ford has renegged he might have won in 76. Either way, ifs, ifs, ifs, the R's didn't win 5 in a row then, go back to 1860 if you want to find a long string of R victories, of course the R's stood for humanity back then. Now you're making exceptions and switching logic pathways. You just said that if all goes well the incumbent party holds power, you've made exceptions for Nixon and now the end of the largest growth period ever. Regardless, he lost the EV race and you stated that if all goes well that the incumbent party will hold the WH. Of course did all go well under Reagan. Yea, what a dream, trippled the debt, shifted the welth far to teh rich, what a time. Yea, and left office with disgrace: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich The momentum of the Republican Revolution stalled in late 1995 and early 1996 during a budget standoff between Congressional Republicans and Democratic President Bill Clinton. Speaker Gingrich and the new Republican majority wanted to slow the rate of government spending. Gingrich allowed previously approved appropriations to expire on schedule, thus allowing parts of the Federal government to shut down for lack of funds. However, Gingrich inflicted a blow to his public image by seeming to suggest that the Republican hard-line stance over the budget was in part due to his feeling "snubbed" by the President during a flight to and from Yitzhak Rabin's funeral in Israel. The subsequent event caused Gingrich to get lampooned by some in the media, with one editorial cartoon depicted him as having thrown a temper tantrum.[12] Democratic leaders took the opportunity to attack Gingrich's motives for the budget standoff, which may have contributed to Clinton's re-election in November 1996.[13][14] Tom DeLay recounts the event in his book, No Retreat, No Surrender, saying that Gingrich "made the mistake of his life." He goes on to say the following of Gingrich's handling of the shutdown:[15] "He told a room full of reporters that he forced the shutdown because Clinton had rudely made him and Bob Dole sit at the back of Air Force One...Newt had been careless to say such a thing, and now the whole moral tone of the shutdown had been lost. What had been a noble battle for fiscal sanity began to look like the tirade of a spoiled child..The revolution, I can tell you, was never the same." In her autobiography Living History, former First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton shows a picture of Bill Clinton, Dole, and Gingrich laughing on the plane. Gingrich commented on this event in his book Lessons Learned the Hard Way, explaining how the picture was taken on the plane going to Yitzhak Rabin's funeral in Israel rather than on the return trip from Israel, contradicting Clinton's claim. And the tax and congressional sanctions: Ethics sanctions On January 21, 1997, the House voted overwhelmingly (395 to 28) to reprimand House Speaker Newt Gingrich for ethics violations dating back to September 1994. The house ordered Gingrich to pay an unprecedented $300,000 penalty, the first time in the House's 208-year history it had disciplined a speaker for ethical wrongdoing.[16] Eighty-four ethics charges, most of which were leveled by House Democratic Whip David Bonior, were filed against Speaker Gingrich during his term, including claiming tax-exempt status for a college course run for political purposes. Eighty-three of the 84 allegations were dropped.[17] Gingrich denied the charges over misuse of tax-exempt funds; however, he admitted to providing inaccurate statements during the probe over the college course and agreed to pay US$300,000 for the cost of the investigation.[18][19] The House Ethics Committee concluded that inaccurate information supplied to investigators represented "intentional or ... reckless" disregard of House rules.[20] The full committee panel did not reach a conclusion about whether Gingrich had violated federal tax law, instead they opted to leave it up to the IRS.[21] In 1999, the IRS cleared the organizations connected with the "Renewing American Civilization" courses under investigation for possible tax violations.[22] And then his fall from grace: [edit] Leadership challenge In the summer of 1997, a few House Republicans had come to see Gingrich's public image as a liability and attempted to replace him as Speaker. According to Time, the replacement was engineered by several Republican backbenchers, including Steve Largent of Oklahoma, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Mark Souder of Indiana. They soon gained the support of the four Republicans who ranked directly below Gingrich in the House leadership—Dick Armey, House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, Republican conference chairman John Boehner of Ohio, and Republican leadership chairman Bill Paxon of New York. On July 9, DeLay, Boehner and Paxon had the first of several secret meetings to discuss the rebellion. The next night, DeLay met with 20 of the plotters in Largent's office, and appeared to assure them that the leadership was with them. Under the plan, Armey, DeLay, Boehner and Paxon were to present Gingrich with an ultimatum; resign, or be voted out. Combined with the votes of the Democrats, there appeared to be enough votes to vacate the chair. However, the rebels decided that they wanted Paxon to be the new Speaker. At that point, Armey backed out, and told his chief of staff to warn Gingrich about the coup. In response, Gingrich forced Paxon to resign his post, but backed off initial plans to force a vote of confidence in the rest of the Republican leadership.[23] [edit] Resignation of the speakership and seat in the House Gingrich's official portrait as SpeakerBy 1998, Gingrich had become a highly visible and polarizing figure in the public's eye, making him a target for Democratic congressional candidates across the nation. His approval rating was 45% in April 1998.[24] Republicans lost 5 seats in the House in the 1998 midterm elections — the worst performance in 64 years for a party that didn't hold the presidency. Polls showed that Gingrich and the Republican Party's attempt to remove President Clinton from office was widely unpopular among Americans.[25] Gingrich suffered much of the blame for the election loss. Facing another rebellion in the Republican caucus, he announced on November 6 that he would not only stand down as Speaker, but would leave the House as well. He had been handily reelected to an 11th term in that election, but declined to take his seat. Commenting on his departure, Gingrich said, "I'm willing to lead but I'm not willing to preside over people who are cannibals. My only fear would be that if I tried to stay, it would just overshadow whoever my successor is."[26] So the most conservative R's love him, but he's a liability on so many fronts. And still some R's love him......

Shoots....scores. It's very awkward to watch conservatives show their gross dislike for Dems, yet try to sound realy civilized and diginified while denograting a man's wife, kids and whomever.

That 'you' was intended to be plural. I changed my post to reflect that. Just pointing out the fact that some parts of American history finds a way to stay hidden, or people don't want it coming out. Noone said anything about your "knowledge of law" or the number of cases you've read about. Don't get your panties in a wod. Yea but thjey bunch up There are so many cases out there that depict America's sordid past, I'm sure I've only read a small fraction of them.

Which I have, but you just ignore. Start here: While we're here, point out a major federal tax cut that has led to properity for all amd genral well-being of the gov economically. Oh, you can't doan't want to: we get it.

Do a search.... there are plenty of examples. Apparenttly not that important or abundant or you would show-n-tell.

Bus had cast 1 veto before the good ole boys club years of R's in congress for his 1st 6 years. Since then he vetoed 11 more as the Dems owned the House and tied the senate; 4 were overridden. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes The last 2 years were largely a deadlock, as the Dems wouldn't give Bush what he wanted and Bush wouldn't sign what they wanted. So what did the Repubs do about it? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/20/republican-obstructionism_n_77704.html With an adverse president, they had to compromise. I would say that spending is theirs now, but the mess is still Bush's. Oh, so receiving the mess from Bush's era is teh fault of the Dems? Lowering the int rate by Greenspan and not objecting by Bush is Obama's fault? Should Obama let the market correct itself? Or should he take proactive measures as he is? Also, Obama inherited around 11.3T, so that is what I was referring to; who's fault? The 787B stimulus is mostly there, so there has been no handing of that. AGAIN, OBAMA INHERITED THIS MESS, SHOULD HE LET TEH MARKET CORRECT ITSELF, DO A HOOVER AND JUST WATCH AND WAIT? You have to have an answer, you can't just criticize and whine. All Obama has spent was the last 1/2 of Bush's bank bailout and a little of the stimulus and bailed the auto makers. Where's the waste? And have inherited the 2nd worst economy ever, so there ya go - what's your point. Guys like you have to jump off the soap box and tell us that tax cuts my friends is what you would do instead of saying you hate the spending but don't know what you would do. You just can intelligently underestimate this mess and dismiss it.

In SF, I wouldn;t doubt that. I'm talking mainstream, you're talking in 1 city. Sure, but my major point was that the RW is about total followership and allegiance, the left is alot more tolerant. Look at Lieberman, the RW would have kicked him to the curb if the roles were reversed. Yea, they did get 45% this time, even tho congress was hammered. Like as in 1860, there needs to be a 3rd viable option to oust one other and there isn't that right now, so the Repubs will go on. Wait, 5 of 6 in a row???? OK, when Obama took office, the current and previous 4 of 5 Q's were neg GDP, but not in a row. The "row" starts over when teh opposite is realized. But yes, presidentially teh D's asses were handed to them while they usually had some representation in congress, so it will take longer than 2 elections to declare the R's dead. Even after the R's ran us into the GD memories faded after 5 consec terms of FDR/Truman (Truman wasn't VP all that time). Then explain the 2000 election Bad times, riiiight. Uh Newt? Yea, the dick who was blamed for the 95 gov shutdown? Isn't he a moral nutjob too? Moralists don't do well, even tho most Americans believe in Christ, to their credit they don't want a zealot. But sure, we need to once again fix teh R's fuckups so teh idiot American electorate can elect anotehr Bush, Reagan or some other mess.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight Show me all the data you post and / or make your point.

Using that logic, my BS in marketing means I know more about the free market than you. From a foundational point, yes, but you still have to prove your points. While we're here, point out a major federal tax cut that has led to properity for all amd genral well-being of the gov economically.

What are you doing about Mugabe? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, America can't be bad cause Africa is so fucked up. Next stop: Asia. Conservatives don't understand that until they compare teh US to civilized nations these rogue comparisons only hurt their cause. Of course what can they do? Defend the US on it's own merits by still exectuing people and having the wealth distribution of many Communist countries?

Actually it is. Your point being? I have a BS in justice so my knowledge of the law is far greater than yours, but I've heard and read/written about many cases. In some areas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Krone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates

Nice guess, but not hardly. Blind riveting is a 1-step process, you have no chance to "draw" the material and reshoot. Swell and draw is used for compression riveting where the laminates are not pulled together and for whatever reason you cannot clamp or cleco them together. So you insert a rivet, swell it up by driving it a little, then placing the bucking bar right next to the tail of the rivet and VERY LIGHTLY tapping it so as to use the tension of the rivet tail in the hole to temp secure the laminates together. Then you resume shooting, repeat if neccessary. This is a trick of journeymen acft assemblers and is not on Google, hence I have exposed your skill and knowledge. That's a very vague question, for all I know the sparky's use it. We use dry ice and liquid nitrogen for a few things. We have icebox rivets where teh rivets are purchased that way and we havee to keep them way < 0 degrees or they become unshootable. We alos make our own if we have a salybath that's at ~1,000 degrees. We put rivets in a basket, submerge the basket for 30 mins, take tehm out, quench them and put them on ice. They will be useable until we let them thaw. They are still useable, but a lot harder. We use this process for "D" rivets and harder. If youhave to pound the shit out of the airframe to drive a rivet that can cause damage, so to ease the hitting you use icebox rivets. Another use of liquid notrogen was on the B-1, we had huge cylinders of LN and soaked the wing pivot pins in there, then we placed heat blankets on the bushings in the wings. Lined em up and hoisted the pin into the bushings, the pin was tapered so if we weren't quick the pin would thaw and climb out. I've heard of using it to clean molds before the medium drys, but I've never done that. It's possible they could use it for windowns as well. There might be abunch of uses of any property that is extremely cold and doesn't melt real fast and doesn't leave a liquid. So your question is vague, there could be numerous uses in aviation, all of which you are unaware of but will pretend to know and then pop up with some other obscure use. Here's mine, you can google chem mill, so that's no big deal. Tell me what parts are usually chem milled as with commercial acft and why.

I didn't. You asked: What is the significance of 20 degrees? You didn't specify if you meant banks, angles or temperature. Icing starts at 20 degree farenheit. When I think aviation and I hear 20 degrees, I'm thinking more critical elements, 20 degree turns might be important for commercial piloting, but for survival, for old school non-fuel injected flyers, 20 degrees is where icing starts. My dad was a CFI who took me flying since I was 5. I answered your vague question in a correct way. And as for vary upon airspeed, right, it's part of a formula depending upon airspeed, time and total turn degrees amount. So it's not a fixed standard. In PP training they usually teach turns of 30 degrees for most coordinated turns, esp in the pattern. People usually or often perform 45 degree turms, at least people I fly with, maybe brief 80-90 degrees. Perhaos you can't multitask. Sorry for your passengers. Also, I'll help you with reading, BTW, I love hpw you don't post my answers. I wrote: Actually I would simulataneously ensure I have enough altitude to make the field and check my fuel selector, other than that you're a glider. If you're short final the assumption is you're near an airfield, so your crash will be obvuous to all and help rendered soon anyway. But as with skydiving, altitude is time/life, so that is your #1 concern. Just because you're on short final doesn't mean you have the field made, some people use power all the way in, just their flying style, esp if they want to make an early turn-off, and others come in high and burn altitude, slip, crab, etc. So short final means little, esp if you have passengers or are flying a heavier acft, you often need a small boost of power. With a loaded 172 I'll come in carrying 1500 RPM until the last moment of rotation - a 172 really isn't a true 4-place and they fly like shit with 4 aver or big guys. So I stated I would ensure I have sufficient altitude to make the field and give my fuel selector a quick grab. Obvioulsy since you have airspeed, the prop is turning, so if you have selected one side and it's empty, switch to the other you will have power in probably 5 to 10 seconds. As well, just touch the primer to see if it sticking out, if so, push and turn. SO to examine your so-called trick question, here it is: If you are on short final on a normal approach and your engine quits, which do you do first a) announce MAYDAY on your radio or b) attempt to restart the engine. And my answer: So my answer is: neither, but I would check the fuel selctor, fuel primer to see if it walked out, they say that can cause fuel blockage - never seen it. And that was right, Neither. Doing a cursory touch of the primer and fuel selector isn't trying to restart the engine. And to go back to my other part of teh answer: Actually I would simulataneously ensure I have enough altitude to make the field and check my fuel selector, other than that you're a glider. SO that was my answer, NEITHER, I would check my altitude, proximity to the field, etc and give a cursory touch of the fuel selector and primer. But you want to call it wrong even tho I stated niether a) announce MAYDAY on your radio or b) attempt to restart the engine. My instructors always told me to check my fuel no matter what if the engine quits. Now, that doesn't mean to go into some big investigation of it unless the situation warrants it, but within 1 second I can reach down and touch the selector and and either touch the primer or eye it. Short final can still mean you're 1/2 way between the base-to-final turn and touchdown, so you could be well short of the fence at this point and might need power to make the field. I think it's stupid to not spend 1 second throwing your right hand down for a quick touch while you drop a eyeball down for 1/2 second to look at the primer. It's your call, I pray for your passengers. Now if I'm flaring and I sense a power drop, I don;t care about it at that point, but short final is usually short of teh fence, so you may well need power, but you have to look at the situation and react accordingly. If I've made the fence and the strip, I'm a lot less worried about power, but again, short final doesn't mean that. BTW, thx for reminding me, I'm redoing a 1956 C-182 that has been sitting for 10 years+, I need to reseal the fuel selector before we put the interior back together. I knew there was a purpose to me teaching you about aviation. I knew tons more about flying, prrobably before you were born, kid. You didn't know of the counter-rotating props on twins or the few degrees of turn built into the tubular engine mounts, you just steered clear of that. Only if you ignore my answers. BTW, me teaching you about aviation is on the house. You have 15 minutes of aviation experience as compard to me, single engine land, VFR, probably 60 flight hours in a 172 SP that does it all for you, you don;t even have carb heat to contend with. I've rebuilt carb boxes on several occassions and you want us to buy your 15 minutes of avaition experience. You never did give us your occupation, and no, I don't want fries with that.

Tell me your joking. Virtually all of the 12T debt is as a result of the Republicans. Reagan inherited 900B, it took GHWB and Clinton until 5.5T to stop it. Then your boy cranked it up to 11.3T with a smashed economy, neccessitating all kimds of stimulus to try to flip it. Please, oh please tell me how the Dems are doing it.

This is how our justice system was founded, not sure we're that much further along. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/02/leo.frank/index.html?eref=rss_crime