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Ding Ding Ding..... it's official, Rushmc and Rush LImbaugh are one in the same. And if Obama fails, teh US fails....... so who are the real patriots?

I'm glad I could be a part of your Obama-hate coming out of the closet. Nope, not out of the closet, I didn't hate him before. but so many ass hats have told me I do, I started hating him today. Glad we coild be of service to you so you could find your real self. Not my real self, the Obama hating projected self you gave me. You should be proud. You must hate him too. He is a fuck head after all Oh, so I have somehow caused you to hate Obama? Transgressive, aren't we?

No, guessing, like the authors (Edmonds) of this so-called experiment are doing with the reults. Your hate brings me glee.

You really haven't, all you do is say: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. And that assertion about Obama suuports my belief that you just plain hate Obama and want to use any fiscal data to verify your beliefs. Sorry your shorts are due and you're broke. Yes, before Obama, your guy, the market was tanking, we were in our 4th of 5 neg GDP numbers and unemp was well on the way down. Since then 2 of the 3 have turned around dramatically and the bailouts and stimulus are to credit for that. Question is, will they sustain? Of course more stimulus money is left, so we still have more help if the stimulus dies out. Tell me, what do you credit for the market turnaround and GDP surge? When you play the market short you cheer for its demise, dependding upon whether you play an entire index short or just 1 or 2 individual stocks. The way you glee for demise I see you are enjoying down days and cheering up days. And based upon an opinion. What if teh market goes to 12k and stays there a year before it goes higher? Would you admit you're wrong or wait for the next neo-con to enter office and have it crash and call it a 10-year delay cycle? You have all this poo-pooing, but not solution. WHat shoudl he do besides tax cuts, my friends? Or did I just shoot your entire load there? Come on, tell us, oh great guesser fo the market. And so what of this climb from 6500 to 9800 today? Is that good or no comment? You say it s/b 6-7k, ok, so what if it should, isn't it being at 9800 goiod, or does that give the Obama supporters a reason to cheer and you don't like that? As a so-called expert who states nothing and runs from arguments, I'm thinking I feel bad for anyone who uses you for advice. Again, tells us wher ethe markey s/b, why, where it will be.....or just run and be done.

Right, they were overvalued by today's standard, they were valued at exactly what they were worth at they time. Evidence of that is found by their appraisal and selling price. The entire situation we're in stemmed from the housing market being oversold. And appraisals proved to be a worthwhile as the debt ratings on the CDOs. Markets can be oversold or undersold. But where it will go...everyone makes projections on earnings that may or may not pan out. But being happy about a GDP growth that was primarily financed by government deficit spending is really not a sign of a investor anyone else should follow. What the other poster was referring to is that it was sold at its value at that time. The job sector and other markets wouldn't support the maintenance of it at that rate. Remember the late 70's when houses basically doubled? Well, they maintaned as the job sector was able to hold them. So wre they overvalued or is it just that the interest rate created a false valuation scheme? It's a bit semantic to wonder or worry to me. Not to mention the types of financing, int only and ballons was a receipe for disaster at any time. I know people who bought houses at the peak for 300k that are now worth 100k who haven't walked away, tehy probably funded conventionally.

I'm glad I could be a part of your Obama-hate coming out of the closet. Nope, not out of the closet, I didn't hate him before. but so many ass hats have told me I do, I started hating him today. Glad we coild be of service to you so you could find your real self.

Hey, you can say a lot of things about the Democrats but it's the Republicans who support gang rape. By that logic, Dems support infanticide. I love following you for comedic relief INFANT: means a child from birth to 12 months of age. Next thing you'll tell me they support cat juggling. However, http://www.bcbs.com/news/national/democrats-push-republicans-to-buck-bush-on-child-health-bill.html .....Democrats Push Republicans to Buck Bush on Child Health Bill With a vote scheduled for Thursday, Democrats and their allies are hitting the airwaves, staging rallies and making a blizzard of phone calls as they try to pressure Republican House members to override President Bush's veto of a bill expanding a popular health insurance program for children. Mike, sometimes you should just decide to read these threads and not comment.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, the former VP candidate: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/21/palin.rape.exams/ Palin's town charged women for rape exams

Hey, you can say a lot of things about the Democrats but it's the Republicans who support gang rape. Or at least refuse to punish it if it might get in the way of money. They seem to have a, "money before people" policy.

Capital punishment is not statistically a deterent. Deterrence theroy is a giuse for the furtherance of killing.

Guns had nothing to do with this, several onlookers could have interjected. Even if 1 onlooker tried to physically intercede, the whole thing probably would have broken up. If nothing else, calling the cops would have brought an eventual end to it when they showed up. I would have called the cops and dropped my cell phone and had a little party on punk asses, I don't need guns for that litte inconvenience.

No, but they can take sales from the weeks before cash for clunkers and adjust up or down according to previous years' seasonal fluctuations. They can try that, but it's still guessing, just maybe a little more scientific. Did they do that? Pls show. Furthermore, using scientific processes in these times isn't as reliable as when times are stable. Again, I would like to see tehir methodology.

and the dow is giving up everything today that it gained yesterday. I can't believe a self-titled stock expert would look at any one days performance and call it anything but a tiny irrelevant occurrence. Don't go and cite October 29, 1929, I mean in virtually any times. One day is not a trend, it's an occurrence. A good or bad week can be a trend, a month sure, but a day??? Go look outside, the sky is falling. It's quite obvious that you think the market should tank, so you're trying to build arguments as to how it will, gains are just a temporary fluke; losses are permanent. That's called building a case from the top-down, rather than looking at it objectively and drawing a conclusion. You just can't believe that the market is even above 3k and you'll find reasons that it will be and anyone who says it's doing great just, DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. You look at 200-point losses as validation and 200-point gains as temporary flukes; I look at both as normal activity of the market and watch the market from afar over a stretch of time before I draw a conclusion. Warren Buffet invested a shitload around 8k on the way down, he bought a bit early, but it appears he's ahead of the game, I guess you're smarter than him, huh? Good luck on your shorts. EDITED to ADD: Gambling touts use the same strategy of rationalization. They pick a team to cover, if they don't it's not because it was a bad pick; it's because of some outside interference. Many events happen that are not explainable. I used to switch my 401k sometimes daily. I would hear the news at the end of the day and they would try to retrospectively justify why the market rose or fell, they would say based upon earnings statements, GDP release, unemployment releases, etc. They always had a reason until I decided that following the market and trying to reason its trends is like trying to guess which team will win a game. There is so much ego on the line with this prognostication that people create entire enterprises out of guessing and justifying. Hell, with sports, esp baseball, the best team is around 600, the worst around 400, so really, hitting a spherical ball coming at you at ~90 mph moving like crazy with a round or cylindrically-shaped bat is about as predictable as playing the lottery.

Right, they were overvalued by today's standard, they were valued at exactly what they were worth at they time. Evidence of that is found by their appraisal and selling price.

I'm a gambling man, I would love to buy some odds on you not starting a post, "You don't know what you're talking about, man." Could I get like, 30:1, 50:1 maybe? Usually when someone says that they follow it up by then explaining what the right course of thought is, that is, if they have one. Intelligence would require you then tell me what you think are the *right* indicators. ......waiting..... - DJIA - GDP - Unemp are the primary economic indicators. You should make your argument, let me help: The primary reliable indicators are ________ because ______________. Stop worrying about my opinion of you or what motivates you; I'm not PAing you. And early on, the indicators taht matter are looking good. Can they do a 180? Sure, but I'm happy they are looking good early. I'm sorry your short buys are coming due and you have to shell out money, but that's gambling. And it could go to 12k, 13K+; that's why they call it gambling. If you knew you would sell everything and buy stock straight or short. They seeem to be typical. Hell, with the Clinton boom to 9800 we had days that would make yesteday and today look mild and these were during the biggest growth periods ever, so I guess that was bad too I'm not trying to give anyone a lesson, I'm saying the indicators look good early; hope it lasts. Yet you claim to be some expert yet all you can do is cite articles; what do you do for a living, again? I don't give a shit what your title is, actually state something substantive. I'm a licensed AP and IA, private pilot. If someone asked an aircraft question and I kept saying: I'm an FAA licensed mech and inspector, but made no statement as to theirr question, I would be thought of as incompetent. You can't sit there and wave your credentials unless you can back it; give us a deatiled explanation of: - Why the market is doing wellnow - What it should be doing - What factors need to happen - What the future of teh market will be Just as a start, feel free to educate us, or just keep waving your flag, as it is it's a white one. I think Obama has had a huge effect on the market and overall EARLY recovery, lastability will be the test. Since the economy wasn't given a chance to really tank, we will never understand how bad this mess was. Neo-cons ignore the, "worst economy sinc ethe Great Depression" as a campaign speech. Tell me, DO YOU BELIEVE THIS WAS THE WORST ECONOMY SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION?

I'm glad I could be a part of your Obama-hate coming out of the closet.

If 'ifs' and 'buts' were candy and nuts...... what was the question again? No, we should have done a McHoover (hybrid Hoover and McCain) and cut taxes, my friends, that would have fixed everything.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A total of 690,000 new vehicles were sold under the Cash for Clunkers program last summer, but only 125,000 of those were vehicles that would not have been sold anyway, according to an analysis released Wednesday by the automotive Web site Edmunds.com. And with the economy sagging, they can take previous year's sales and try to superimpose that upon 2009? Yea, brilliant. But the overwhelming majority of sales would have taken place anyway at some time in the last half of 2009, according to Edmunds.com. Let me use that crystal ball for the Superbowl winner, pls. I think auto sales would have been horrible w/o the C4C. I'm not a big fan of it, but things had to be done. Your own article slams the methodology as bogus or at least incomplete.

and the dow is giving up everything today that it gained yesterday. The funny thing here is that you, some kind of alleged stock dealer in some respect, if even in your own mind, were the first to call the market dropping and giving some of its gain back as I statedthe market was over 10k, spilled a couple hundred, but that it was looking good. Any real stockbroker knows you look at the market as an average over a chunk of time. Freefall as Obama was enterring office, bottoming at 6500, then recocery up to 10k is the big picture, looking at day-to-day performance might be useful for a day trader, but not a serious economist trying to evaluate the market and the economy as a whole. Anyway, then you make note fo the market giving back. Next day or two I assert that if we must look at he market as a day-to-day approach, it is doing well; up 155 at that point, finished at +200 yeaterday. I pointed put that daily fluctuations are normal, even of 100 points. Hell, 200 points isn't that unusual. So today it's dropping 150 pts and now you're calling the whole thing tragic and the economy done. It's profit-takers and reinvestors; often after a 200-point day the market drops. People profit-taking and trying to beat others before they do, and then reinvest before others do. Is this new to you? I'd be curious to see what kind of alleged so-called stock investor you are. You're obviously an Obama-hater and you're playing the market short so you're really pissed about the DJIA recovery. You're not that hard to figure out.

Well, thier history is better and newer than what you have posted Yea, all is rosey. http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushrosecolored.htm http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushrovecolored.htm This one, to me, defines conservatism: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushsheep.htm That's my new screensaver why? cause that it the side of a sheep you usually see?? dont forget your tingley's!! Is that the best you can do? You're slipping I am from farm country. The only better would be if you were the one in Des Moines caught putting a skirt on the woolly animal. That wasn't you, was it?? No, Rush, the only one here who knows of that alleged incident is you...... put it together.

To be fair, he's never really been able to do it well in the first place

The plan *might* tax the private cadillac plans as they are just deferred compensation. The general populace, you and me, won't see a tax increase. Aren't you speaking for them? And of course that sucks...... unless you need it.

Well, thier history is better and newer than what you have posted Yea, all is rosey. http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushrosecolored.htm http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushrovecolored.htm This one, to me, defines conservatism: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushsheep.htm That's my new screensaver why? cause that it the side of a sheep you usually see?? dont forget your tingley's!! Is that the best you can do? You're slipping

To say that some early indicators are looking great, but there is still work to do. OF course the underlying theme is Obama is doing a great job early, hope it lasts and builds. The underlying theme from Obama-haters is that they are skeptical of the success, as that would give Obama too much credit and we can't have that even if it means hoping the country takes a shit.

Well, thier history is better and newer than what you have posted Yea, all is rosey. http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushrosecolored.htm http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushrovecolored.htm This one, to me, defines conservatism: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushsheep.htm That's my new screensaver