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Since you contradict yourself within single posts in this thread, no one can figure out what you mean. I do understand how binary thinkers can see this as contradiction, as either the economy is 100% perfect or 100% totally fucked. I've clearly stated in teh OP and reposted that until unemp gets under control, we are not out of the woods. And the, "but...." would lead intelligent people to want to read more into, "It's official; recession is over,..." The statement, "It's official; recession is over, but...." clearly means: The recession might be over by official terms, but there is still more to do. Again, I understand the sickness of conservative-thinking and that thinking dissallows for any reasoning, just literal reading so it's expected that you don't get it.

probably best to forget about Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Nevermind your continued silliness with the Dow. You mean those days count?? I thought from today we now have a raging bull market?! And you didn't write: The market is oversold right now and will correct.... it's trending down again today and if you look at the charts or the technicals this does not look like it will hold at all. Are you not able to keep track of your own BS from a day or 2 ago? the "trending down today" was just stating a fact I was not saying its all crashing down now but if you knew anything about the market you would know a swing like that then the one today shows anything but strength. 100-point fluctutions mean nothign anymore; get out of the 70's / 80's. Pls don't tell me you don't advise people on stock purchases if you think 100-point days either way are anything but simple profit-taking and reinvesting. You think the market will fall and sit, that you've made clear. It could slip to 8k, I don't see it, but it could, but over the next year or 2 it will incline at a modest rate, it has lalready rebounded nicely making an assertion of investor confidence.

probably best to forget about Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Nevermind your continued silliness with the Dow. You mean those days count?? I thought from today we now have a raging bull market?! And you didn't write: The market is oversold right now and will correct.... it's trending down again today and if you look at the charts or the technicals this does not look like it will hold at all. Are you not able to keep track of your own BS from a day or 2 ago?

probably best to forget about Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Nevermind your continued silliness with the Dow. And that's what I say, but Rstanley0312, in his desparation to show Obama a failure, brought in how the market had dropped over the last couple days, so the silliness is his for thinking that, yours for not reading teh thread and figuring that out. And ta

Not that I'm aware of. In my opinion, the last presidential election was really about sending American kids (and dollars) off to die in various third world morasses. I had thought that the "nays" pretty clearly carried the day, but apparently I was wrong, as the new folks seem pretty intent on following right along with the failed policies of the old guys. Nah, Obama wants out, mark my words that after HC, win or lose, taxes will be raised and we will get out of the ME or at least considerably start the process. It would be suicide to to anything at all until after HC, it could alienate some members of congress.

I know, almost as funny as Compassionate Conservatism. Talk about your major sense of oxymoron.

Oh, good news, well, bad news for you since you want failure for the US so Obama can look bad. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091029/ap_on_bi_ge/us_obama_economy_1 WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama is hailing new figures showing the economy grew at a 3.5 percent rate in the third quarter, saying the country has "come a long way" since early this year. In remarks prepared Thursday for a small business group, Obama said he believes the new figures are "an affirmation that this recession is abating and the steps we've taken have made a difference." The economy had shrunk by 6.4 percent in the first quarter. The president cautioned, however, that "we have a long way to go to fully restore our economy" and recovery from the deepest business slump since the 1930s-era Great Depression. He called the report "welcome news." Since we'e all about watching the market on a daily basis rather than over the longrun, Look at the market right now: DJIA +155.98 and climbing; must be over all that fear as the GDP data is released. Thx for bringing that up, the numbers were just released today.....+3.5%. I estimated / projected 3% from what I read, sorry for being so far off, but pleasing to me, not so for you, I was modest. I didn't claime we were out of the woods, just that the early numbers are looking great. As for knowing what who is talking about, all I have claimed have come to fruition, now my next claim that I hope jobs will fix and be

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Sample size too small and not random. Furthermore, you don't track good tipper's race, age, etc. Maybe the good tips from black people offset the stiffers. Just not scientific on so many levels.

Because I don't think as you do, according to you I don't what I'm talking about. Self-riteous brilliance. Let me see your logic: A) The recession is in full boom or completely over. B) It will drop off and be rosey at some given time, not gradually get better. C) I have binary logic that cannot fathom things in degrees. D) Tax cuts, my friends. Nor will your personal hate for Obama hence hope for destruction of the US economy and US in general to satisfy your position.

And what if the jury erred, the cops and/or prosecutor lied or withheld exculpatory evidence? One thing we know for sure, if we execute guilty people, we will eventually execute innocent ones as well; is it worth it?

Here's a cool bit of objective info and forecasts. http://www.phil.frb.org/research-and-data/real-time-center/survey-of-professional-forecasters/2009/survq309.cfm

We all throw little jabs in there, you and I are no angels; please don't assert that you don't. I react how people react to me. If they get silly about small spelling errors with anyone I think that peson is lost in the thread and I will point it out in fun terms. If a person really sticks to a point and engages in substantive discourse I won't want to grenade it, but when they start getting abstract then the constructive arg is over. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

I voted YES, but I like this option better.

Cherry-pick much? I wrote: But the 3rd looming head is the unemp which has slowed, but is still climbing. I can't think of a recession ever that the unemp rate hasn't been the lagger, so this is typical, but when then that is fixed we're home safe. Hopefully all can be better and unemp < 5% within a year. What part of that isn't clear that until unemp is fixed we're still in it? Honesty is hard for some people, and I'm truely sorry that Obama hasn't failed to justify your ill-cast vote of McCain. I know, it's hard to live in this world with binary logic; it's over or it's not. The indicators are highly positive, 2 of 3 anyway. I stated that the reccession is over per rigid economists standards sinc ewe have + GDP. But also state from the OP the above, that until unemp lowers we are still in it. Hard for you read or hard for you to reason?

LOL. In reality that was a neccesarily evil.

You're guessing, I'm calling the facts as they are today. I understand you want Obama to fail and the market must fail as well as the rest of America in irder for you to be satisfied, but the market is waaaaaay ahead of schedule, sorry that displeases you. Here's your view of teh market: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^DJI Here's mine: http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EDJI#symbol=%5EDJI;range=1y How many said that as the DJIA went from 3500 to 9800 under Clinton and they got out at 5k? 6K? etc. Naw, it had help but to call it inflated as in grossly, don't think so. Really only time can tell. But I appreciate you giving Obama credit for trying to save the country, unless, that is, you want him to fail. Which is always the last to recover. Nor do they reflect guys like me or otehr people who have fallen out of eligibility. No,of course not. Being a dick like Hoover who said, "Tax cuts, my friends" or being a dick like McCain would have done and said, "Tax cuts, my friends" denotes a winner. When will neo-cons ever learn that tax cuts don't help and that affirmative response does? ANSWER: never. How did the GDP flip so very quickly? Luck? How did it flip so very quickly in 33 a year after Hoover trippled the top tax brkt and FDR opened the New Deal? Letting the 'market fix itself' cost 12 mill lives, of cours ethat's teh cost, right? And even then it didn't 'fix itself' until after 2 major tax increases and many other social programs. Clueless........ Due to 1.7B+ in bailouts and stimulus as a result of irresponsibilities Obama inherited. Again, you say we shouldn't do anything and let the market correct, right? Or should we give tax cuts to the rich, considering they are the only ones paying taxes? I do know what I'm talking about, I posted factual data and drew a conclusion. Here's for the est: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/08/03/getting-stronger-economists-raise-third-quarter-gdp-forecasts/ Oooooow, you better know what the HELL you're talking about. Funny how the principles from your side are full of hot air and demise, the left shwos general success. I bet you don't think it was the GHWB and Ckinton tax increases that pulled us out of the 1990 recession and into the largest growth in history. http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/08/03/getting-stronger-economists-raise-third-quarter-gdp-forecasts/

You're mischaracterizing some people's reasons for opposition to the death penalty. I do not trust the government with the power of life and death over the populace. Given that, I do not trust the government to put citizens to death (for any reason). I fully believe he's guilty. I think that locking him up somewhere for the remainder of his days is sufficient to remove him from circulation, cheaper (generally) than a death sentence, and most importantly, doesn't give the power of life and death to an institution (the government) that I mistrust deeply. W/o a doubt the best way to look at it.

I won't vote, as there isn't a 3rd option of: Don't excute him, I'm opposed to teh DP. Of course he's gulty and deserving of death, just that when we kill him we also must kill teh occassional innocent person.

Either you are continuing your practice of ignoring what you don't agree with or you need help with the big words. Which is it? - Partial quotes - Complaining about missssssspelllllllings - Making no coherent point = nothing to say, not citations, just nothingnes.

Tom did, don't you ever read? The president's stamp on them is the death-blow to you. You are ellated that we did not get them here and you might be the biggest fan of the olympics, just that your hate for Obama exceeds that. But the cheering with you will go on forever..... Well, I guess you will just keep on thinking you know what other people think cause it must make you feel better. I can tell you one thing I will cheer Obama about. I will cheer if he gets of his dead ass and makes a decision about Afghanistan... Either send them the help they request or get the hell out. Either choice has it's own consequences but at least it is a choice that supports our men and women over there Tom drew a comparison, it's right here in this thread. So now Afghanistan is Obama's fault. To quote you He wants out is my take, but he doesn't want to alienate the nuts in congress until after HC. So if your party would quit the resistance he could raise taxes and cut the ME BS, he doesn't want to upset the apple cart now.

From your own quote: http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/...1/airbus-boeing-wto/ Let’s get the hard work out of the way first - yes, both Airbus and Boeing use an array of funds that eventually find their way into commercial airplane programs. Right, the military Socialist programs that you adore make it to projects like the 787. Considering we spend 8 time sthat of #2, China, we must spend 15 times that of the consortium countries in WE that build Scarebus, so there is your government funding of commercial projects to insane degrees. Notto mention Scarebus building more desireable products. Thank you for supporting a point I just made - you're the bestest. And then: http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/...07/01/airbus-boeing/ For its part, the EC also lodged a counter-complaint against the USA, highlighting tax breaks, grants and subsidies against Boeing, in what Tom Enders described the 787 as “the most subsidised airplane in history.” So you are on my heels with the understanding of this matter. These are assertions I was making. Congratulations, now get your nose out of my ass. Both Airbus and Boeing have benefited from varying degrees of assistance and that makes any WTO’s potential rulings very difficult to both implement and even harder to get the two companies to change the way they get financial assistance without dragging risk-sharing partners into the equation. That was my point, you were asserting that it was ONLY Scarebus that was benefiting.

Hey cut-n-paste cowboy, make a point and support it. I'm not reading your distionary, you make a point and extrapolate it. Not to mention a source is important with intellegent, objective discussion. Remember the issue you had raised? It was that Scarebus was kicking Boeing's ass due to the horrible socialist countries keeping them afloat via sicialism. Support that.

Tom did, don't you ever read? The president's stamp on them is the death-blow to you. You are ellated that we did not get them here and you might be the biggest fan of the olympics, just that your hate for Obama exceeds that. But the cheering with you will go on forever.....

Is that the same "reality" that provided your aviation analogy? And what's wrong with it, Airbus came from nowhere and has kicked the conglomeration known as Boeing/Douglas all to shit, as I posted. Yes, that's the same analogy. They're the #1 acft builder in the world last I checked. And do you know why? It is easy to be "competitive" with government subsidizing your efforts. But then, you are all for that are you not? So much for fair..... You know Rush has run out of things to say when he uses emoticons to the excess. As for gov subsidizing a market that you infer is a losing battle. First off, I'll tell you a fact you can later claim you already knew, Scarebus is a multi-national consortium of several W.E. nations, so you're saying that all or many of these nations are treating the mission as a loss situation as all socialist nations do; dump tons of cash with no return. So if this happened, the dollar value would drop, I mean, it's not as if they make it up anywhere else - they're socialists so they will have a failed economy, right? Well then explain how their currency is kicking our asses. Even Canada is kicking our ass again, they're 7 cents from even and they were at 3 cents a short time ago. The pound went to 2:1 under the end of Bush's term so make a valid point. And isn't the real welfare comming from our gov to Boeing in the form of military contract? I wonder how much of that wasteful 787 is funded by either direct US gov input ot indirect military program socialism? So much for fair...... No, been using them since long befor you got here. As for the rest of your post, you may want to check out the conflict regarding said post