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I think a more accurate statement is that WE don't feel you should continue. We have not found a way to help you become safe enough in the air not to kill yourself, and we would be doing you a disservice to encourage you to continue training with us. Then let the person know what things need to change in order for progress to begin again: you need to work on being calm under pressure, or sequencing, or common sense stuff. Then it's on them to go find a way to improve their deficits off of the dropzone if they truly want to go on to become skydivers. Again, I would really love to see a direct quote where anyone is defending the right of a person to continue to be unsafe in the air. We are trying to point out that it is completely wrong to point blank say there is no hope for some people. They can improve; will their improvements be enough to make them a safe skydiver? That is another question entirely. Is it the instructor's job in every instance to fix the deficit? Not every instructor can. But someone can. In every case. If not fix, improve. OK I've said the same thing about six different ways. Let's see how many ways my words can be twisted and misinterpreted again. **sigh** Sometimes I think people are more interested in 'winning' an argument than actually coming to any understanding of other's viewpoints.

I think people should stop saying "I could care less" when what they really mean is "I COULDN'T care less".

That's not a good example, but I've been pretty buff a time or two in my life, and I don't think I was un-feminine. There are those people who don't like muscles on girls, but I think an athletic body is very beautiful, whatever the gender. But the fake balloon boobs have GOT to go.

Yes. And that person knows it. And knows exactly what I've promised to do should that ever come to fruition. heehee

and HOW it goes as well....

But you see, that's where you're wrong. NO ONE is saying anyone should be allowed out the door if they are so unsafe as to be endangering their or others' lives. People are not reading and COMPREHENDING what is being said by those that take a stance that everyone is teachable to some degree.

LOL!!! Sometimes you crack me up Sunny!

That used to be one of my favorite songs to dance to! lol what a dork I was/am

Hey I'm not arguing the point that every person should be allowed to put their lives in danger while they practice getting the hang of skydiving. I'm arguing that every person IS teachable to some extent, can make improvements given the right tools and effort. Should they be allowed out the door to endanger their lives? NO. But there are things, and granted, it could take a long time, but there are things that can be worked on in a safe enviroment to more adequately prepare them for a safe skydive. Or whatever else it is they're attempting to learn. I'll never be a rocket scientist, and no, I will never have a high enough IQ. But I could definately improve my understanding of certain aspects of rocket science.

Do you know something I don't? Well, I mean, I'm sure you know MANY things that I don't....but I mean about nekkid stitchy? I'm a strong girl, I can take it.

Well get on it then, start another thread about the ibeam you'd prefer to play on!!! Inquiring minds want to know....or is that Enquiring?

I was cold chillin' at the bar.....

just please don't sing me that song....

Now do you mean 'wife' as in the prison sense?

ROFL!!!!!!

Ok I've made a firm decision about the application now....NO!

Hmmm.....you've been kind of moody all day, I'm a little afraid of you.

That can change depending on what it is I'm looking for....I won't go into detail about what factors I consider for the above-mentioned sexual encounters....

pictures?

Oh for pete's sake people, come on!! No one here, certainly not Squeak, is saying everyone can be taught to be equally skilled at all things. But to say there are some who simply cannot be taught to get any better at something, that is just so sad. Anyone of sound mind (or at least sound short term memory) can improve at anything they do, given enough practice, the right tools, the right attitude, the right teacher. Not everyone is going to pick up things as quickly nor become as skilled as everyone else. But they can IMPROVE. I feel sorry for people who don't have enough faith in themselves or other people to understand that concept.

Isn't that what safe words are for? See, I've been learning from spending all this time in the bonfire!

Well, Andy, beer and funyuns; it looks like you've been properly sucked into the American lifestyle. You've even got the southern accent down, "I done my run today which was good," but the spelling's still all wrong: "I dun my run today wich wuz guud".

That really depends on what factors I take into account in determining "decent".

I have to wait to find someone decent to sleep with. oops, did I say that out loud?

"I Feel Fine" by the Beatles damn I'm old