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I goofed ... go back a few posts to see when I publically admited I MADE A MISTAKE. If that is not good enough for you, then just burn me on your cross. See if I care. Fine - I couldn't figure out your obvious mistake. I, besides not having a cross to burn you with, couldn't really care less either. I surprise myself by even asking a pointless question and answering a pointless reply..... NOW BURN!!! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Were you Ming Monged writing that? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

??? When did Pan Am become Air India? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I think his motivation is simply to debate gun laws and crime....I think.... If it is English bashing, he's not exactly doing a good job of it, is he? Besides, being Scottish, what could I have against the English being bashed? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

>VR/Marg p.s. Sarin is a liquid at STP not a "gas." Neither is sulfur mustard, which solidifies at ~56F (depending on how pure). Ah, that'll be why my recent batch seems to be solidifying at ~57.5F then........ 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

It usually takes oodles of other posts to get through all the bullshit before the "culture" angle becomes ripe for introduction. But I've been spouting this line for quite a while here in regard to gun crime. Examples: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2767640;search_string=culture;#2767640 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2463411;search_string=culture;#2463411 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1899742;search_string=culture;#1899742 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1898387;search_string=culture;#1898387 Fair enough - I did mention cultural issues before in at least one of your threads, but with no acknowledgement: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=2922396;page=2;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25; Perhaps you missed it. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Here's something written in 2006, from the Economist: 'STUFF happens, said a nonchalant Donald Rumsfeld, as looters trashed Baghdad. The birth pangs of a new Middle East, claimed Condoleezza Pollyanna Rice last week as Hizbullah's rockets slammed into Israel and Israel's aircraft pulverised Lebanon. This week America was conspicuously resisting calls for an immediate Israeli withdrawal. Whatever else is going wrong for America in the Middle East, the Bush administration shows an unmatched ability to put its case in ways that make its friends squirm and its enemies fume with rage. Beyond the tin ear, however, is American policy really as malign, muddle-headed and incompetent as its critics say? The short answer is that America does not have a single policy for the whole Middle East. Some of the so-called neoconservatives believe that one idea—spreading liberal democracy to the Arab world and Iran—should guide all America's actions across the region. But for all their influence, the neocons have never quite got their way. Nor should they. The Middle East is a large and complex place in which America is engaged on many fronts.… ' 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I feel uneasy about this.... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

That's very observant - it screams that doesn't it? Ya fruit loop! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I sense DZ.com is as far as our man might dare to travel Christel. Any come backs John? I'm still happy to take you out for a few beers in Glasgow if you feel you might be up to it.... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Or, besides being unable to get laid, are stupid?

Yep, indeed in it would. Who exactly votes for these people! How can our leaders actually call themselves such? How can Americans be proud of the fact they're led by a Chimp FFS? It's not a dig at the US - but how can any reasonable person vote for such a proven fool? Vote for a man who accomplished nothing in his life - Jeez, I could go on for a bit here. But it's not exactly necessary is it? Bollox - I said this years ago; I wish Bush and Saddam just sorted it all out in the ring - with chainsaws... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

And I'm surprised, you're still up on Lizzy's island, Vortex. Lights not yet sh(o)ut down over there? Culture and Gun Crime Update - what a fine combination JR shows here, I love his threads about England I'm nocturnal!

Ah, my thoughts exactly. Except maybe I could describe him as being something worse than an asshole. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/05/wiran105.xml Love his explanation of Iraq becoming the international terrorist bug-zapper... Sorry. In fact, I don't. I would love to set about him with a 2 pound lump hammer though. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

>'The key word is culture.' I'm surprised to hear you mention this - I've argued this point with you for a while now. Yet you bring it up. And quote from a reasonable source. You ok mate? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Sorry to hear of the shit sandwich you seem to be eating, but d'you know, whilst you were building on your pension, it seems the Mrs was at home doing the housework, squaring the kids away, and doing the odd bit of work herself. Not exactly a career situation is it? Mate, you were the bread winner, and therefore, you were the one with the pension. She only really had you, future income wise didn't she? So I think it's fair she has this entitlement. Hard, definently, but fair. But you have my sympathy - I know how hard military life can be on a marriage. It wouldn't ever surprise me to one day find myself in a similiar situation. p.s. you've already remarried!? Are You mad? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Nice to see a decent source John. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

What an excellent topic to bring up. The Sarawak government's irresponsibiltiy is an outrage. Not just for the native Penan people who're facing the destruction of their natural environment, but for all of us. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Aren't we all? Speaking of weird - I can do a fairly convincing Crocodile Dundee accent, the Aussie bloke right? Anyway, me and the wife are walking along the river on a summers day in Cambridge. People are walking and sitting along the bank. Groups are out punting along the river. I'm explaining to the wife how to fight crocodiles and the inherent dangers associated with this activity in the Aussie accent. Rather loudly. People are staring. My wife is choking between a state of laughter and utter embarressed horror. If I remember rightly, I think she tried to push me in the river when I began shouting to the people on the 'boats' to watch out for the crocs.... I'm pretty sure a psychiatrist was mentioned too.

Earlier you said this Steve; 'The bad part that goes along with this, is that many don't have much understanding of mental illness. There is a stigma that many attach to people who ask for help and receive mental health services. Particularly males have trouble understanding this. We are trained from birth to be rough and tough and not show weakness. Asking for help is not the "macho" way to handle things...."Right?" I somehow missed it earlier. There is a stigma like you said but it has a purpose in a mad kind of way. On one end of the spectrum you might have the macho man in denial, refusing to commit himself to therapy. Or the Dying Swan continually in the Shrinks room. I, er, kind of understand the former. My wife has mentioned I should see a therapist several times over the years. Sure, sometimes it's because I'm acting like a 5 year old but I do know she is serious about this. And I refuse to see anyone. If there is anything slightly wrong with my melon it's fairly insignificant and guess what? I deal with my personal issues myself. If I felt I had a serious problem I would see a shrink but there could be the problem! Am I in denial to something that's more significant than I think it is? I generally think I'm like anyone else. Some days you're happy enough, others you keep wandering into the toolshed eyeing up the chainsaw and anglegrinders.... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I'm sure he's being sarcastic Christel! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I'd expect the bag to be a bit on the empty side... Not that anybody would really know the exact status of the thing. Edit: I was going to go off on one in regards to the so called 'war.' But I won't. As well as it being entirely unecessary I can't be arsed. We all know the idiocy shown by Bush/Cheyney/Rumsfield. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

And what 'war' is that? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

She's copying what the British Prime Minister done over here. Except his was to the tune of around $500 dollars. Gordon told her where to get the money - and who gives a fuck anyway - it gets the votes! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'