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And why not!? Our lives are apparantly controlled by these...things! Either way, when we were kid's (except for Kallend, who was a kid when Stegasaurous was cuttin' about'), we had a rather limited amount of News channels. Of course, and naturally, the US initiated multiple news channels, to make money. The UK, alongside the rest of the modern world, followed suit. So what, right? That's what I've been asking myself. My answer is that it's to nobodies benefit, having these continual and multiple news teams throughout our lives. Unless you work directly for them, and are earning your Judas money. I call them such, because they're eternally fixated with the story. A good story equals money. Should I mention hardened facts that might go with it? I guess half my motive to bring this subject up is through Princess B'Liars recent speech on the matter. Basically he had resolved a theory that your normal British voter was no longer voting because of what they read in the press...the politicians accepted this, and naturally, through good character, accepted this. ( Not as if it was becuase they were a bunch of lazy, good for nothing cunts) So I asked my Pop's (Dad), who he might be voting for. He countered the question by asking me the same. I told him to fuck off. You tell me. He basically said, 'Son, when you've grown up, you might realise why nobodies voting. I'm sick and tired of listening to the reasons why. If you - appparantly as a normal person - don't vote, the result is extreme people voting. Like the BNP. Look at France! Look at Dagenham in East London.' I basically replied in a way that earned me a slap from a pensioner...in my local...I weigh at least 16 stone... Sorry Dad. So essentially - today's problems with the people and politicians, lies at the feet of Fleet St right?? And the occasional Dad? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Isn't it quite obvious who attacked her? For those not quite in the script, let's just say multiple attackers trying to achieve the same.....what!? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I'm surprised such an incident has left you feeling so insecure you feel it necessary to get, I presume, a handgun. Perhaps a short course on driving techniques which teach you how to extract oneself from such a situation could be more appropriate. Or even some self defence, to at least give you more confidence on dealing with the matter, had you came face to face with the nob-jockey. The gun option for this particular situation doesn't really seem a good option for me. If, perhaps, your driving in some rather isolated areas regularly enough then I'd reckon it isn't such a bad idea. But in your case, how you use your vehicle should be the means of your defence. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

That has to be the most enlightening and informative article on the Middle East I've ever read. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I'm glad you were treated well Max. The fact still remains that many are not. I know of servicemen attacked by other patients in a civilian hospital whilst being literally unable to move. Or what of the payouts to a serviceman blown up in Afghanistan, in comparison to a civil servant suffering repetitive strain injury whilst working for the RAF in the UK? £152,150 verses £484,000. Naturally I could come up with more examples. Still, it seems the facility may have become worse in it's standards from when you were there? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

What delightful news that; 'the DoD Asst Secretary for Health Affairs (HA) lost his job and the Major General in charge of the facility was replaced.' They even sound like they were essentially responsible. It's nice to hear they weren't promoted with somebody else taking the blame.... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Duh! Can I get a prize? Can I?

She'll still be the next President - betcha' a tenner. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Would they go as far to describe the WW II veterans as war criminals? Probably not I suppose. Ultimately I guess it boils down to everyone having their own opinion, however retarded. Nobody really listens to college kids (do they Jakee?), but people will stand up and pay attention to what these 2 distinguished gentlemen have to say. Desperately slowly we're beginning to see the Government sit up and listen to such people, by the tiniest possible face saving amount. At least it's a start. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

www.telegraph.co.uk/ne...rmy315.xml Troops treated like vermin, veterans tell Queen By Stephen Adams Last Updated: 2:43am BST 16/10/2007 Horrifically injured servicemen returning from Iraq and Afghanistan are being shown "the most detestable contempt" by the Government, two war veterans have said in a letter to the Queen. Retired servicemen George Kay and Ricky Clitheroe delivered their letter to the Queen at Buckingham Palace Speaking outside Buckingham Palace, where they handed the letter to an aide, Mr Clitheroe said he thought returning troops were being "treated like vermin". The pair also accused the Government of sending troops to fight as "political mercenary forces" in "illegal wars". Mr Clitheroe, a former corporal with the Parachute Regiment, from Catford in south London, said: "When we fought, we fought for King and country. "Nowadays we feel sorry for the servicemen because they are fighting for politicians. But they come back and are treated like vermin." Mr Kay, who served with the SAS and twice escaped German captivity in 1945, heavily criticised the lack of support for injured troops. The former sergeant major said: "Why can't we have a naval hospital? The Ministry of Defence says there are insufficient numbers of wounded soldiers but we know there are over 800 wounded soldiers now as a result of Iraq and Afghanistan." In the two-page letter, they criticised ministers for showing troops who had fought in "illegal wars... the most detestable contempt of all by callously ignoring the desperate needs of those luckless service men and women who suffer the horrific injuries of modern warfare, all too often caused by the irresponsible disregard for their basic needs in equipment." They also accused "successive governments" of treating the Queen's constitutional position with "absolute contempt". "We have witnessed your governments, and in particular your prime ministers, using the soldiers, sailors and airmen under your Majesty's command as political mercenary forces," they wrote. Mr Clitheroe told The Daily Telegraph: "She's the governor. The Queen is in charge - it's Her Majesty's Forces." Mr Kay, who joined the Army two days before his 16th birthday and fought the length of the Second World War, revealed he did not think his son Daniel should be fighting in the Middle East. Corporal Daniel Kay, 28, has just started a six-month tour of Afghanistan, after serving in Iraq. But Mr Kay said: "I don't think he should be out there, especially Iraq." Their letter follows increasing pressure on the Government to improve a range of welfare issues for troops, including accommodation and injury compensation. Problems highlighted by The Daily Telegraph include the level of compensation paid to injured troops, the lack of dedicated medical facilities for many of them, the poor standard of much military accommodation, the lack of a specific military award for those serving in war-torn southern Afghanistan, and the poor official reception from councils for those returning home. The paper also campaigned on the problems with lack of resources to ensure military inquests are concluded more swiftly. Last month the Royal British Legion launched its campaign to ensure the Government respected the Military Covenant, the agreement by which the state promises to look after troops and their families because they risk their lives for the country. A Buckingham Palace spokesman said: "All correspondence is opened and read by the Queen's office. All correspondence receives a reply from Buckingham Palace." I'm well aware America doesn't have a monarchy, but are her returning servicemen and women suffering such problems? Any other allied servicemen and women facing similiar problems with their Governments? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I think it's apparant most can see the real problem has to do with American culture in this instance. It is gradually becoming more corrupt. Decadent. Immoral. Very much like the rest of our Western societies. Whilst they all might not have a gun culture like America, they virtually all share the same problem of social degradation. So perhaps the argument would be best discussed taking this key area into account. It's where the solution lies - and this degeneracy reaches into all our lives. So what are the causes? Violent TV and video games? Family breakdown? Less discipline in school? National leadership exasperating the issue in a vicious circle? Religion? Either way, and I've mentioned this earlier, gun ownership only scratches the surface of this international problem. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Maybe she was finishing washing the dishes prior to her husband dragging her off down to the beach. Or perhaps she's into rubber like Shotgun? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Like what??? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

That reminds me how the old Chief of the London Metropolitan police once mentioning a statistic: 'The vast majority of crimes committed in London are by blacks.' This was a simple statistical fact. The accusations of racism were deafening. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Is that you with a Sunday morning hangover? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I do my part too - I regularly burn holes in the sky, using up F34 at around 5kg per min & I've booked flights for a weekend break somewhere nice today. Your right - not enough people care. I still don't. Am I bad? Selfish? Or perhaps, realistic? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

http://www.celticgrounds.com/chapters/c-weapons.htm I really should go to the MP Holy Grail for pics. How long ago was that!?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Man, you must be like, really old or something. Nowadays the cool thing to do is blame it all on video games. TV and rock 'n roll music are sooo 60s and 70s. Cheers mate. Vale What would y'know!? Enough of that - take your age slur with your spaghetti bending butt back to Milan.

At least he seems to be continually working on something he is good at..... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

The whole issue in regards to all this has to do essentially with cultural and social issues. That's why I completely agree with you when you say this, for example: 'and that is fine, part from the fact that you continually miss the aspect that the starting point for the two countries (amount of gun ownership pre ban, culture around guns etc) was completely different, and therefore you cannot compare the two.' What I can't understand is why US pro-gun advocates can't spend more time delving into the problems of their nations culture rather than continually bleating about their right to gun ownership. Whilst gun ownership is a hot topic of debate, it's hardly even scratching at the crux of the issue. John can go on about 'England' becoming a police state all he likes. He can use 'England' and it's problems with gun crime in relation to the ban as much as he likes. But again, this is avoidance of dealing with what is really necessary. He can also be blinkered into believing that because a utopian society is impossible, why work towards a society where there is no need for guns. But he purposefully forgets 'England' (in at least the last century) was never a nation where individuals felt it necessary to go about their lives armed. The nation had advanced itself socially enough to allow this. People like John should make more effort to deal with their own nations social and cultural issues surrounding gun crime, rather than continually argue over their perceived rights. Perhaps then we might see some positive social advancements. And maybe even a reversal of young British blacks being heavily influenced by dickhead American gangsta rapper types. Anyway, I blame it all on the telly.... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Domestic cats taste surprisingly of badger. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

It's necessary to use strong spices when roasting cat to rid the meal of its badger-like taste. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'