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How could you criticize what the MSM has declared is the smartest woman in the world? God help us if the Dems are as stupid as the state of NY is. Worse yet if the USA will as stupid as NY & the Dems are. steveOrino

I believe the Bible to be "authoritative" in the manner that it shows how to be made whole (mentally, physically & spiritually) It does that by pointing to JC. I do not believe the bible to be a history or science book. However, it does have good literature.

two different birds in my opinion, but I'm only a TM, not an AFFI steveOrino

Don't worry, I can give you free lessons :) steveOrino

I'm an amatuer In gay marriage? Okay, I'll quit yanking your chain. I have never had a gay couple come and ask to be married. In every state I lived in, TX, NC, AK, CA, WA & OK, it would be a moot point as they don't recognize gay marriages. If it were legal in my state would I perform the ceremony? I think they'd prefer a pastor that thought two men or two women was a marriage to perform. I don't think that way any more than I think two men and five women would be a marriage. To use my counseling venacular, "I'd refer out." steveOrino

Ther are many ways to look at a text, and yes, they leads to many interpretations. However, I was addressing the atheist websites that continually only interpret texts as literal. It works to create a straw man. No, as to the honor parent thing, I believe almost 100% agree he was addressing not neglecting your parents for "corban". It was something people did (declare their money dedicated for God) so they would not have to support their parents. Yes, Moses had a death curse on those who dishonored their parents, but JC changed the common interpretations of Moses many times. When he did that he usually began his sentence, You have heard it said, but I say ... Did any records of the time indicate that God consumed the villages that rejected their good news? No. JC said, simply, "Give them the good news and if they accept they will be saved. If they reject the good news, leave. Their rejection will equate to spiritual death which is far greater than the physical death S&G endured. Pretty simple text, unless you are a fundy that must interpret all scripture as literal. I'm the last guy to try and scare you into heaven and out of of hell. Mainly because I don't think that tactic works. It is simply not my style. I wish you peace, not hell. My interpretation is not the only way and honestly, it is not 100% correct. I'm completely fallable. But I'm doing the best I can with the knowledge I have. You're right, the common belief at that time was the blind/lame are that way because of sin. The disciples thought that as did most every Jew. JC gave them a new way to look at pain and sorrow. You're right, people don't agree, because it is not a science. But even scientist disagree at times. May you find peace in whatever path you take. steveOrino

I'm an amatuer In gay marriage? Yep, but I hear you are a pro. steveOrino

Well, it is natural, we're good buds and all. steveOrino

So are you pro or against gay marriage? I'm an amatuer steveOrino

Well, if it were true one good thing is it would shut Hairyjuan up. steveOrino

Yawn, old news. It was discovered in 1980. Not newsworthy from a historical point of view then, and not newsworthy now until someone thought, "Hey, the novel Davinci Code made a lot of money, this will too." DNA to prove it was JC??? Where did they get the sample, a resident "skygod"? steveOrino

Actually what I was referring to is there are many interpretations of the Bible, not just one (including mine). Sadly it seems the atheist here only know the same way to interpret the Bible as the fundies do. Just as sad is they will miss the point of many scriptures and it's insight with their narrow viewpoint. But like Bill Parcels says ... "We are what we are." steveOrino

Make sure you read the link Saskia posted -- it is priceless!!

So you defend that: - Parents must kill the children who cursed them: Mark 7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death You gotta love those who are clueless to biblical interpretation and quote out of context a passage that actually says almost the exact opposite of their viewpoint. JC was speaking against those who quote Moses about honoring their parents, but actually dishonor their parents by holding back support because that so called support was “promised to God”. Read the WHOLE passage not just a snippet you copied from an atheist website. I know you fundies love the KJV, but that text has added the S&G insight in later documents. The older transcripts don’t have that, but rather they end with “a testimony against them.” But even so, all he is saying is spread the word, if they don’t accept the good news, leave. Their judgment will be greater than S&G. That judgment is one they bring upon themselves for rejecting the good news of God. Spiritual death is far greater than physical death He is simply telling it like it is. His word divides people. Try living as JC actually taught … not your church or your denomination, or that TV evangelist that promises you God will give you a Mercedes if you buy his book, but actually live the way JC taught, and people will separate from you. It is a life of sacrifice and servanthood. Not many people waiting to do that. On the contrary, JC taught the EXACT opposite. John 9:1-3 As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" "Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life. He was not equating his handicap with a sin, but rather instructing him to quit sinning or a worse thing than being a cripple such as spiritual death and separation from God, awaits him It is a shame the only Bible you seem to know are the ridiculous, out of context, passages that frequent the atheist websites. It really places your argument on very shakey ground. I know very little about science and evolution theory. I can go to creationist websites and copy texts about genomes, yada, yada, yada, but I still know very little about the subject. When a guy like the Prof (Kallend)comes around, he'd rip me a new one and expose my ignorance. Therefore I typically stay away from such debates. I'd suggest most of you fundy atheist either take a freshman level Bib Interp class or at least quit copying hobby horse straw man scriptures from atheist websites 2 Peter 2:7 - 2:9: 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: Okay, you got me on that one. I would never call Lot righteous based on his dealings with his Uncle Abraham. Maybe he looked righteous compared to the citizens of S&G. Here is a Harvard theologian's insight. I'm not sure I agree, but if you google "was Lot righteous?", you do see some efforts to explain. http://www.hup.harvard.edu/features/kugbib/chapter.html Could you provide a quote? I just quoted JC's words that the children who curse their parents should be let die to death - which is even worse. There isn't one pluck it and quote it text about it. JC taught about compassion and loving the unlovely throughout the gospel. You would do well to read it. steveOrino

Yes, that is democracy in its essence, the majority rules. A "subgroup" doesn't rule in a democracy does it? If they do, it is the problem of the silent majority. You don't like what the majority thinks? Change their mind as they did in the 50s & 60s with civil rights. It is my opinion, you are on a slippery slope when you don't want to hear dissenting views, or feel when the majority speaks they are "forcing" their will upon you, and therefore, their voices must be silenced. steveOrino

More or less. I do not want to suppress the speech of anyone, no matter how vile it is. You do, I don't, simple enough. steveOrino

Hey, all of us bad days and bad situations. For some it was bump in the road, for others it is who they are. I'm glad you got over the bump and found your smile gain.

It is, well, the one on the FTP is. I'm looking for a brighter one on the one on my left hand during tandem handcams. steveOrino

Because if they are, then you denying them a right to be married. I have not denied anyone their right to be married. steveOrino

So true! steveOrino

I was wondering you have been. steveOrino

I guess we're done. While I don't agree that people should not be able to lobby and vote their conscience, I guess you have the right to dissent and and attempt to supress our rights. I'm glad most Americans desire we have voting freedom even if the outcome of any one particular vote is not what we ultimately desire for our nation. steveOrino

Ah, hasenfeffer! Nothing like home grown! steveOrino

What exactly is the difference? steveOrino

Jack rules! LOVE THAT STICKER! thanks for putting it on there! steveOrino