grimmie

Sigh... Now we'll have to arm Kindergarten teachers AND pastors. While we spend gazillions of tax dollars chasing the "terrorists" around the Middle East, to keep Americans safe, we overlook what is really killing Americans here quite violently. The NRA will come out with the tired line of "good guy with a gun would have stopped this". The anti gun movement will want all guns banned. The politicians will all cry how terrible this is. People will hold candle light vigils for the victims. The crazy people will blame Obama. The racists will bring up Freddie Gray and Trayvon Martin, etc, etc. The talking heads on TV will all yell their opinions. The conspiracy theorists will all blame the government and say this is another staged shooting to take everyone's guns. Next week it will be some school, movie theater, church, shopping center with more bullets flying, more blood spilled, more tears shed. It's time to really have a national debate to try and find some real solutions, and too try to keep crazy hands off of guns. sigh... Note: I am not anti gun, just anti gun violence. I carried one for work and have owned a pistol, rifle and shotgun.

Now what am I gonna watch on TV? Well done Hawks. I hope Tampa learns from this, and if the Kings or Pens don't knock of the Hawks next season, the Bolts do! Good luck in the off season everyone!

We do the same thing. Get that B.

Will the Hawks do it tonight???? This series has been all one goal games. Do we get a lopsided score tonight???

Why does a guy that sold weapons to our enemies to fund an illegal war get an aircraft carrier named after him? I can't wait for a new warship to be named after Obama. Heads will explode.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/06/12/gay-unmarried-couple-adoption-michigan/71115236/ And more Christian love. Screw those little kids that need a home to live in.

Want a kid, pay a permit fee. The Duggars could lower the deficit.

No DZ, website is SkyRide slime.

A funny piece by a Longmont on line newspaper that is very pro business. http://longmontcompass.com/7-things-we-hate-about-longmont/

Taft is the closest to Palmdale. Claudia and Lelo will take great care of your group.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=323234;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;t=search_engine Greg Hunter was a long time Perris jumper. He had "Hunter Helmets". The speculation is that his size made it uncomfortable for him to get out of that aircraft with a student. They think he caught the drogue or a handle on a seat belt hardware and had a premature before exiting. Lots of tangled shit in freefall right out the door. Maybe a Hawaii jumper can chime in here, but that is "the word on the street" from when it happened. Greg was a great guy and a heads up jumper. He was building a submarine at his place at the Perris ghetto. He was big into SCUBA.

Can you say more about what you think would happen? The GOP POTUS wanna be party bus will go on the anti gay "Bakers of Gay Wedding Cakes" hate tour across the heartland. Sarah Palin will rant incoherently about how this is a war on Christians. The yellers at Fox News will lose their minds, cuz you know, pedophiles. The TPNN, The Blaze, Breitbart, Conservativedaily, Weekly Standard and Newsmax will all blame Obama. And the comments under those articles will all be so hateful and poorly written that it will make you glad you live in Canuckistan. The rest of America will be tuning in to "The Bachelor" and the "Caitlyn Jenner Show" and not even know what is going on.

This scenario killed a tandem pair in Hawaii. The container opened on exit and the main wrapped them.

OK, fair enough. 1) As has already been said, they can misfire. I think the odds of this happening are remote, but it remains a possibility. It could also fire during an aircraft emergency (again). 2) I'm a firm believer in KISS. I only like to add complexity when necessary. It could cause a one in a million unforeseen conflict w/another component. 3) They're hard metal boxes firmly strapped right across one's spine. Poo Happens. If there's a canopy collapse while landing, or a hard free fall collision. That small metal box could snap your spine, transect your spinal cord, & leave you paralyzed. if you land that hard, you're going to have a broken back regardless I've already been in a situation where I couldn't re-orient my body prior to impacting the ground. It's not a good feeling. Had I landed on my back, I probably would've been left paralyzed. It was a student jump, w/an AAD. 4) A Cypres2 would run me about $1800, including scheduled maintenance. While easily do-able for me, it's still a fair piece of change. how much does a nice funeral cost these days 5) When I look at the Save Lists of the two major players, I'm not sold. Vigil's list has a number of repeat incidents listed. They're double-counting some of their saves. I haven't noticed that on Airtec's list, but it's beside the point. What I have noticed is almost all the saves are of students. Student jumpers making student mistakes. Even a fair number of the experienced jumpers' saves are of the same cloth. For example, one guy was uncurrent from a winter, & sucked it all the way down to activation altitude without realizing the ground was getting kinda close . They also include multiple jumpers who did pull silver, but their units still fired. Those people did save themselves.yes, nothing like this will ever happen to you 6) Surprised to say, but there is also the enjoyment of "Jumping Naked". I've got absolutely nothing against anyone who jumps w/an AAD. Comments about their not being real skydivers were asinine, & not made by me. When I rode motorcycles, I always wore a full-faced helmet, & full body protection. I would've been a nervous wreck not to. But, in the air I feel a purity of knowing I have to pull or die. I'm not a reckless person, but do enjoy this aspect of the sport. Perhaps swoopers feel a different version of this? Dunno. We average a little over three million jumps per year in the US. I'm guessing Europe does the same amount, or even a bit more. Out of six million-ish jumps per year (not counting the rest of the world), the lists show maybe 3-5 legitimate LOC saves. Almost all of those are from higher risk jumps like tracking dives. Last year, I think only one person got taken out from behind by someone swooping into them in free fall (non-tracking dive). The report was unclear as to the circumstances. That's one jump out of six million (plus, Asia & down under) jumps. I think those odds are so remote that it's more likely for me to have one of the other problems I listed above. statistics are great, until you become one When an incident like the one that prompted this thread occurs, it gets everyone's attention. That gentleman had more skill & experience than I'll probably ever have. Everyone who knew him has no idea how this could've happened to him. A health emergency? Bird strike? We'll probably never know. Clearly, it was something extraordinary. How often does someone of his caliber go in, though? I can't remember a single instance that wasn't explainable by some factor like a mid-air collision. gravity knows no caliber of jumper A lot of injuries in this sport go unreported, but not the deaths. The odds produced by those save lists don't make a compelling case for me to strap an AAD onto my back. I limit the types of jumps I'll do, & keep aware of whom I'm jumping with. I think I'm better off without one. I was taught years ago that everyone has their moment, no matter who they are. That's very true, but I still can't see myself not pulling unless I'm unconscious or seriously incapacitated. unconscious puts you in the "novice" category at best I do think the proof is overwhelming in support for AADs being mandatory for student jumpers, though. P.S.: After having listed all of this out, if I am that one in six-ish million who gets knocked out & goes in, next year? I'm gonna come back, & kick the piss out of you, Krisanne .

I think Bill Von sleeps with his rigger.

from 2003. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-06-17-turner-usat_x.htm recently this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Fxjup53z8&noredirect=1 Yes, Bush lied.

Those sound like problems w/opening altitudes being too low, over-stuffed or poorly designed containers, & a rigging error. They don't sound like AAD malfunctions. The AADs were not a part of the "hitch". I was just trying to point out that there is no guarantee of a functioning reserve over your head with one. But I'll still take my chances with one.

Stayhigh is a frequent user of sarcasm. Being a sarcastic cynical person myself I recognize it quicker. i was being quite serious. educate me on this topic. i wanna know how many died or injured by having a Cypress on their back. There have been a few incidents where the AAD activated at proper altitudes and cut the reserve loop, however a reserve parachute did not either fully inflate before impact, or even exit the container. There was also one well documented AAD not properly installed on a student rig. I am not sure about the types of AAD involved in each situation.

This is a good read. I never bought the entire "babies in incubators" story back then. http://www.prwatch.org/books/tsigfy10.html

Never. I was nearly killed by an S turning jumper on final. Never.

I would have been really pissed if the Cup went from Hollywood, down the I-5 to Disneyland.

Respect is a two-way street. A number of other pro-AAD posters have respectfully stated their opinions. Grimmie's posts come to mind, here. I've no problem w/that, & would be happy to sit back at the end of the jump day discussing it w/him. However, I won't be repeatedly attacked & insulted by others without responding. ^^^any time, over a cold beer, I'll buy^^^

I like BMWs, Czech supermodels and cold Stella.

"W" pulled the wool over everyone's eyes because of the point in history our nation was at. Revenge. All his cronies knew it and took full advantage. Define WMDs as they relate to the USA and our security. Lots of other nations have nuclear weapons, but we don't go about invading them.

There goes the "real" skydiving.