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Please end "mindless post whoring", Ya'll are waisting band width............................

5 liter Mountaineer. Damn govenor kicks in @115!

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This is a hang glider purporting to be a skydiver! Go mister glory.

This was my reply to Peters post. If interested in the origanal, see incidents. Conway Hi Peter, I will have to disagree with this post as I have seen a hard pull exactly packed the way that you say and I will explain. I had a friend with over 1000 jumps go silver because a hard pull packed by a packer. The reason for the hard pull was because of the pilot chute being packed as you suggest. The tight elastic on the container hung up on the stitching on the hackey on the pilot chute. I always pack the "soft" side of the pc towards the ellastic so that there is NOTHING for the elastic to grab at pull time. I displayed this to the jumper in question and there was total agreement on the cause of the hard pull! This had a lot to do with the tight elastic on the BOC and the long stitching on the PC. I am sure of the testing we did in this scenario and it may differ from your's, but I will continue to pack my "soft, folded side of the PC towards the elastic" for safeties sake, and always check the PC before I leave the plane to be sure that it's coming out "free" before I leave. Peace and blue ones, Conway 1453 If you're gonna be stupid, Don't get ignorant about it!

I didn't post this in incidents but I think it is well worth reading by all. I replyed to it. Pilot-chute packing & extraction force Quote | Reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- An incident at my local DZ that resulted in a routine reserve ride got me thinking about pilot chute packing. There's one aspect of it that isn't always appreciated. A jumper with perhaps 100 or 200 jumps was unable to extract her BOC pilot chute last weekend at my local DZ. As she had planned to open quite high, she tried to extract it for some seconds, before activating her reserve at a safe altitude. On the ground, it took an estimated 25 to 30 lbs. of force to extract the PC from the BOC, pulling straight outwards. The problem was caused by a combination of two things, either of which is not a problem on its own. The BOC pouch's mouth had a very strong, stiff elastic in it. The mouth wasn't too small, but when stretching it open, it took more force than on many pockets. On first glance, the BOC would be considered very secure and safe for freefly. When a PC is packed, the result can be either one or two rolls of fabric, depending on how it is packed. (End-on views are (a) and (b) of the drawing attached.) The PC can be inserted into its BOC pouch either with the roll upwards (c) or roll downwards (d). The latter drawings are slightly exaggerated examples showing the pilot chute handle sticking out beyond the rolls. When the roll is placed facing up as in (c), the pilot chute extracts much easier than in (d), where the downwards facing edge of the roll catches on the mouth of the BOC pouch. It was a situation like (d) that caused the high pull force in the incident mentioned -- when combined with the snug and secure pouch. Packing with the roll catching on the mouth of the pocket also makes it more likely for the pilot chute to bunch up if poorly folded. Although rolling the PC into 2 rolls is more symmetrical, for me personally, creating just one roll makes it easier to keep the PC really tight. My opinion is that neither packing "roll up" or "roll down" is on its own right or wrong. It depends on the size of the pilot chute and condition of the pouch, whether one wants less force or extra force when trying to pull out the pilot chute. It's something to consider for a moment when one is about to stuff a pilot chute into its pouch. (Background details on the incident: The BOC was a replacement pocket, source unknown, which had been on the container about a year. The gear was a Vector II. The jumper in the incident had only owned the rig a short time. For this jump, the main and PC had been packed by a quite experienced packer. I don't know whether he had packed that particular rig before or not. It was easy to replicate the problem with a normal quick PC pack job, stuffing it in with the roll facing downwards.) Peter Chapman Ontario, Canada (This post was edited by pchapman on Aug 5, 2003, 1:42 PM) Attachments: pilot chute packs.jpg (17.5 KB)

Let me get this straight, 5 second wave-off, barrel roll to ensure clear space...........reach and toss the carbone-chute..........

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I went from a Crossfire 99 loaded from 1.85-1.9/1 to an 85 Xaos 21 loaded 2.3/1 and it was no big deal. Then I ran across a used Mirage with an 88'21 2.2/1 as a second rig. Also great.Talk to GroundZero (Chris)

My second canopy was an Icarus Omega 129 elliptical 7 cell loaded around 1.5/1 and straight in landings sucked on no wind days! Right before I traded it in on a CrossFire 99 I finally figured out that if you hooked it even 90 degrees before landing it would actually swoop decent and have plenty of lift that was really lacking on the straight ins.

Ya think the TWO years might have had a factor here? Factor on what? I was a better student when I returned. How about if they had video on all the AFF jumps, and coaching jumps? Basicaly, I only had the required 8 levels and no other coached jumps and left to the wolves. No video on any AFF jumps. You are telling me that ONE more tandem made that big of a difference...That I don't buy. I just think that the second tandem really gives them the opportunity to take in and learn without the adrenaline overload and be able to relax before throwing themselves into solos full tilt. The quality of the instructors (and Roger has good instructors)...Has TONS to do with it. Spaceland also has high quality instructors, and yes I think that DOES make one hell of a difference. I felt like a number when I went through the first 4 aff jumps. I also felt that they failed me once,my 4th jump when they should have passed me (a lot of the reason that I gave up).

OK my $.02, I went to the DZ the first time because a videographer talked me into it. I parked away from the main area so that I could watch first without being seen by my friend. I saw 1 load come down and land and signed up for a "fun tandem". After that it was AFF course the next weekend. Still scared shitless of heights, I did my level 1 the next day(some caught a tree in the landing area and pounded in hard the day before-life flighted). Struggled thru 4 jumps in 3 months and gave up. Came back about 2 yrs. later at another DZ, did the refresher course. I got in the plane just to check it out(different plane) since we were weathered in. Just about got nausiated and started shaking all over again. Told them i would come back the next day and try again after sleeping on it. Awsome, 4 jumps later, I'm off of AFF! Shortly after that I switched to a big dz that was following Rogers method doing 3 tandems(all training jumps with hands on practice). Their students were so far ahead in skill than I was after 15 or 16 jumps, it was amazing. I truly believe that most people would be much better off doing AFP with 2 tandems then 1 jm until they get their "A" license with all the AFP jumps on video come out of the program much more airworthy and capable skydivers than the AFF program.

Damn it,now you made me go back thru my Jump Track Dec. 30,00 #13 my 42nd bd and pre-second jump@Spaceland Dec. 2001 #540 Dec. 2002 #1110 to date 2003 1439. Really sucks to live in Texas and have to jump almost every weekend

Quote99 in 5 years............. Jan Meyers wrote in Parachute History that there used to be a big superstition about #100 so a lot of the old timers quit @99. 1439 in about 5 years 2 yr layoff after 5 jumps.

What the f%#K,over? They let you? How bout some cajones!

SMOKIN' pic! 24/7 like my watch.

Julie, a good friend of mine, was on the 300-way with ~400 jumps. She's on Deguello now and is considerably better than I am at 4-way. She'll be getting a gold at Nationals within a few years, and (I'll bet) with under 1000 jumps. Which Julie are you talking about. New to Degullo this year?

44/39(I think) layed off almost 2 years after 4 solo's 1400+ jumps now.

I am not a PD snob, I'm jumping Xaos mains now although I've owned 3 PD mains. I own 2 PD reserves. I too have had nothing but excellent service from PD. I've also had extremely good service from all at Precision and Icarus and Brian Germain also. There are a lot of good people out there. A lot of people at my dz won't jump it if it's not a PD and I have no problem with that. Also really great people at Sun Path.

Chuck "used to own a Vengeane" A What?

Call Carbone back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When launching a chunk(4way-8way) out of an Otter the front floater does jump up and out! You wouldn't want to do this out of any plane with a low tail though!

Nice work Josh at the "40-way sequential invitational" Up to your usual quality!

USPA average is about 1/300 1409-2 #489 low altitude spinning mal on my back,saddled @1400' #1069 line over loaded 2.3/1 chopped@1400',saddled @1200' landed a 2.44loading with 1 brake stuck, should have chopped it!

I can expect beer @ Spaceland this weekend from all 15(I think)that did their 1st night jumps last Saturday! Beautiful night for all!