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By joining the USPA aren't we all saying we will abide by the "rules". JUdy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Just one more thing, just found this and was wondering how you would interpet it? on the DZO INCOMING bulletin for USPA Group Members, Dated August 1, 2003 (on uspa's website) 5th paragraph down, "Properly Rated Staff". .....Drop Zone owners, S&TAs and USPA Instructors are remined that the BSR's are in place for individual member of the USPA to follow regardess of the location of the skydiving operation.... So as this reads, a group member dropzone does not have to follow the bsr's but individual members do? So if a group member dropzone has instructors that aren't following the rules only the instructors are penelized and not the gm dropzone, but gm dz reaps all the benefits of having those instructors. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Ashamed, no. I know what he is all about, I mean look at his avatar. I've been trying to help get this poor guy laid now for ..... Judy P.s. I married so not an option. Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

nope, your post whore! SLUT! Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Oh honey you need help, serious help. Joel and Jeff are RB's just not female. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

That's what I was thinking. When my father was dying in the hospital, I don't think that term was ever used, we wanted to get him set up for hospice but were told he probably would'nt survive the ride, but I have 2 sisters that were nurses so most of the talk was in medical jargon then they would explain to us. I also think Tonto has a good idea with students. If you don't pull by this altitude you are actively dying. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

I love my mini-van and I don't have any kids, not even a dog. It is great. Not only does it carry alot of stuff, and being skydivers we seem to always have alot of stuff, I don't get speeding tickets. I have sped by many police and troopers and not a ticket yet, {knock on wood}. Although I did lend it van to a friend who hurt her ankle and couldn't drive her tiny little sports car cause it was a stick shift and she got a ticket but she was 10 over in a residential area that had had a bunch of complaints about speeders. Congrats!

You are absolutely correct. Someone call animal control and have this things shot. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

I can't figure out what is worse about that article. 1. A minster protesting funerals 2. a minister protesting funerals that has followers 3. The wording on the monument 4. The fact that the media finds him interesting enough to do a story about him. I know the public needs to know about people like him and the bad shit he is doing, but damn, this guy is f-ing nuts. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

OMG, this pisses me off more than the USPA, which is extremely hard. Protest a funeral - what the hell is wrong with him. and who are the dumbasses that would follow him. Lock up the the whole flock. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

I don't necessarily use Amazon.com but I buy on line all the time. I hate going to stores. The majority of my x-mas shopping is done on line. I have had a few charges that weren't mine on my cc but for very small amounts and my cc company removed them. I love on-line shopping. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

You may want to contact the USPA Regional Director for your area. Her name is Marylou Laughlin. She can ask the board to for a medical waiver for you. You will probably always be required to jump with an AAD if they let you jump. She may also be able to help you find a dropzone that will accept the note from your doctor. The contact information for her his listed in Parachutist and on the USPA website but I will PM you with it. Good luck, I hope you get the opportunity to jump. Judy. Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

I said PROBABLY, meaning there is a better way out there and we will find it. Paying to join a program (not the organization) that you don't believe in, makes one a hypocrite. I understand no one out there really gives a damn what goes on at our DZ and our issues with the USPA so I won't bother you guys with this anymore. All your opinions are taken into consideration. If there is a greenie out there that want's to put this one in the garbage can, then so be it. If they want to leave up, that's fine too. I'm done. Thanks for all the responses. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Isn't that what you just proclaimed a few posts ago but reversed, in regards to the Coach Course about to be offered? Stating that you have a better way to train USPA Coaches then the other GMs around the area. Basically, the only advantage I can see for your DZ not being a GM DZ is that Mike's kids can jump without violating the BSRs, but beyond that I don't see any real advantage. Yeah, it costs money to be in the GM program, but then you can advertise that "WTS is the only DZ in TN that is sactioned by the USPA with really good facilities..." etc. __________________________________________________ I didn't realize the USPA Sanctioned dz's. I thought we had to answer to the FAA. So I guess that one dz that says they are USPA certifed is corrent then too. They let you pay some money and put you name in their magazine. __________________________________________________ No I don't have a better way to do it but I will find one. If you read the whole post between Ron and I and he stated we don't have to follow the rules. I never meant that WE HAVE a better way to train coaches just that we will come up with a better way if it comes to that. Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

okay that "safer" comment was not directed at a particular dz in the area, it was directed at the USPA's coach course. I'm frustrated with all the politics and the fact we are losing new jumpers left and right because we can't keep them interested in jumping sitting on the ground waiting for a coach. A USPA application is in every first jump course packet. Just because a dz is a group member dz does not make it any safer than a non-gm dz. __________________________________________________ If you believe in the USPA or not it really doesn't matter. All of that last paragraph isn't really what’s important. What is, is this "membership has its privileges." Don't ask me to pay for yours. _________________________________________________ I paid my membership dues and I'm not asking you to pay mine. I'm tired of paying for the group membership costs though, since they aren't paying their way. Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

[reply} More economical I'm sure. Better and Safer? I really have my doubts about that. BSBD Larry I've re-read my posts, where in this thread did I say one is safer than the other? I was talking FACILITIES (i.e. classroomS, mock-ups, free camping and RV slots, etc). Sorry you had such a bad time at WTS but I've never seen you there in the 6 years I've been jumping there and I've only missed a few cessna weekends. Yeah, at every dz in america, people were hooking themselves under those little canopies when they were first coming out, not just WTS. and I'm not here too sling mud at safety records I don't know ANY dz in existence that has never had an injury. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Okay, let me ask this. How do you feel about the Group Membership Committee instead of the Safety and Training Committee coming up with these fees regarding training. (Motion #33, summer 2001 BOD meeting). Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Actually it is more than group membership, but we don't want to be a group member dropzone, and I asked some outsiders (whuffos) about all this and they all used the term blackmail. This benefit is not worth $600.00. judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

I jumped at that place once and it took me over 2 hours to get there. I felt very uncomfortable once I got there. That small trailer could not accomodate 7+ candidates, nor are there any mock ups. We do follow the ISP and other USPA crap, but like you said, we don't have to. In fact we probably have a better way of doing it, safer, more economical. Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Here's one, You wouldn't have to pay non-group member fees for USPA courses. I've been through numerous discussions regarding Mike's decisions regarding USPA membership. And I also find it ironic that he's on the board. He's a great guy, a GREAT pilot, and his King Air ROCKS! That being said, your decision to jump at a non-USPA group member dropzone is your decision and you must deal with the consequences. It is silly to state that your "due paying members" etc... and then in the next paragraph state that you have to be a member to "violate" the rules. Make up your mind. In this case the "violation" is that your jumping at a non-USPA group member DZ. If the DZ wants the course there, have them foot the "non-USPA" bill. _______________________________________________ We are not in violation of anything by jumping at a non-group member dropzone. The USPA just needs money. __________________________________________________ Hope you get your course and everyone passes. BSBD Larry Ron's quote How about have your guys call Mike Mullins and tell him to become a Group member? He is on the BOD after all. Its funny that a guy on the BOD of the USPA has a DZ that is not group member, and lets his kids violate the USPA huh? end ron's quote You have to be 18 years old to be a coach or instructor. I am not in violation by jumping at a non-group member dropzone. The "rules" were changed on the AFF courses not the Coaches courses. Chris and I went to a board meeting to get the AFF course we had a few years back. Don Yahrling stated that he conducts course at hotels and other places that are not even dropzones let along group member dropzones that never HAD to become group member dropzones, nor had to PAY and extra fee to hold the courses. Its hard to help the USPA, especially during their extreme hardship with insurance and what not, when the do nothing for the individual members. We are not asking for much, just trying to get our new jumpers jumping with coaches so they can get the A license since our instructors can get very backed up with other students. All we want to do is help grow the sport and keep the students interested and jumping. We are abiding by the ISP, filling out A license cards, quizing the students, making sure the do everything that is required on their A license card. If we had a few more coaches on the dropzone, we could do this quicker. Now I get to tell the new jumper well, sorry, we would have people to jump with you but the USPA wouldn't let us hold a coaches course here and with the economy the way it is, most of the candidates can't afford to fly across the county to try to find a "group member" dropzone with the same or better facilities. This is an individual membership benefit. The individual member should not be penalized because of where they choose to jump. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Ron, first off we have not found a good reason to be a group member dropzone, nor should we be blackmailed in to it. second, you've jumped at the other dz's aside from WTS that are 2-3 hours from Memphis and they do not have the facilities that WTS does, not even remotely close to having the facilities. All these due paying members that want to be take the coaches course should not have to drive several hours and pay up for a hotel and extra driving expenses at a "group" member dropzone that does not have the mock ups or class rooms and overall facilites that are just an hour or less from where they live. BTW Ron, you have to be a member or an organization to "violate" the rules. Some of the kids are not members. Judy Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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