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"Be Nice: More States Are Treating Incivility as a Possible Ethics Violation Posted Apr 01, 2012 08:20 am CDT ...Moreover, there is no clear consensus on what defines incivility. Brian S. Heslin, another panelist on the program, draws the line at personal attacks. “You’re not crossing the line when you’re belittling the other side’s position or facts,” says Heslin, a member of Moore & Van Allen in Charlotte, N.C. “But when that type of communication is directed at the individuals themselves—say their training, personality, color, ethnicity or age—that’s when we saw people cross the line.” Lawyers engaging in uncivil behavior run the risk of court sanctions, but in a growing number of jurisdictions, incivility also may land them in front of their state disciplinary bodies on charges of violating ethics rules." http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/be_nice_more_states_are_treating_incivility_as_a_possible_ethics_violation/

"Owning the land – The perfect site was acquired along Interstate 95 in Fredericksburg, Virginia, adjacent to the U.S. Parachute Association headquarters and just 50 miles from our nation’s capital. " http://skydivingmuseum.org/mission/ " dipshit Slang a person thought of as being contemptible, weak, stupid, worthless, etc.; jerk: somewhat vulgar http://www.yourdictionary.com/dipshit I'd suggest that your temper your language counsellor.

Which reminds me of the time we were jumping a TU-206 and someone refuels the AC with 80/87 avgas. So we take off and the pilot-owner can't maintain altitude and starts to descend. There is a valley next to the runway and down into it we go. I'm JM and I'm sitting in the door. The horizon is above the wings of the AC and the engine is running rough, terrain below rough and heavily treed. The next person to the door is a student so I thought it would be a good time to refresh his training regarding emergency evacuation of the aircraft. Thankfully the refueling wasn't full tanks and after five minutes or so we were able to climb out of the valley and climb to altitude without further incident.

You're assuming the statements are false. The FAA requires a tandem instructor to hold a "Master" parachutist license. That's not a USPA rule, it is an FAA rule. He absolutely has to know the difference between the USPA rules and FAA regulations. If he doesn't he is incompetent and I second the suggestion that was made in the last week on DZ.com that he be fired. The statements in the story are attributed to him and thats the sole basis for which I would give him any benefit of doubt. That he did not say them. Statements are attributed to him that: "The director of an organization that certifies skydivers said Thursday that the instructor who led a tandem jump in Northern California that turned fatal didn't have the required advanced parachuting certificate. The Federal Aviation Administration requires tandem-jump instructors to receive training and a certificate from the United States Parachute Association, which found no records of Yong Kwon"... " Ed Scott, the executive director of the parachute association, said officials searched its records using several variations of Kwon's name and found nothing. Scott said tandem-jump instructors are required to have three years of experience, made more than 500 jumps and completed a three-day tandem-jump course that includes 10 jumps. " The FAA recognizes other FAI license issuers and the training qualifications that they have and ED SCOTT absolutely knows that without any doubt. So is the representation that he made to the media would be either he checked "its records". Is irrelevant if Mr. Kwon had the qualifications from the UK, Canada, France, S. Korea, Australia, Etc. Etc. Etc. All of which ED SCOTT absolutely knows. He should have said that the FAA will conduct an investigation and THEY should be contacted. A final report will be issued by the FAA and until then I would be speculating as to the causes of this accident or qualifications of anyone. The above point is exactly the same point that other members here made in other posts. As all of this relates to what members of the USPA get for their money. I'd say the value is down to about.... the value of insurance from a separate insurance company. That for certain has more qualified employees than the USPA. As Mr. Scott should NOT have said anything like was attributed to him in the NBC story. Such statements do NOTHING to help the public and media view this sport. They hurt it. As this conversation has entered troll space I'm done.

Tandem students are not required to be USPA members. Which drop zones are bringing in 50 AFF students every weekend? The Skydiving Museum is a separate entity. None of your USPA dues goes to funding the museum. And it is going to be located in Florida, not Virginia. Yet. Keep killing civilians (tandem students) and see how long that lasts. I'm not disagreeing that these national associations don't have value. I'd suggest that they tend to have limited motives for cost controls. 1. Museum is independent but its my understanding they received about $200k from USPA. - the museum has already bought land and its not in Florida. Setting the museum aside. 2. The big bad FAA has been a flag waving issue for late night beer drinking conversations on the DZ for decades and decades. - Hang gliding has had student and passenger fatalities. -Base jumping fatalities. - Paragliding student and passenger fatalities. and there has never been any suggestions of FAA direct regulation of those activities. IMO its the big bad boogie bear in the night argument. Your statement "Yet. Keep killing civilians (tandem students) and see how long that lasts." in the context of the LODI accident and the statements of: "The director of an organization that certifies skydivers said Thursday that the instructor who led a tandem jump in Northern California that turned fatal didn't have the required advanced parachuting certificate...Ed Scott, the executive director of the parachute association, said officials searched its records using several variations of Kwon's name and found nothing. " http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-skydiving-teacher-fatal-jump-lacked-certification-n628881 There are some other quotes attributed to USPA which are either false or self serving. None of which helps the sport. All of which, IF FALSE, provide nothing but ammunition for politicians, FAA activists, and others who would seek to start direct regulation of skydiving. So IF in fact these USPA officials can't control their mouths when TV cameras and microphones are in their faces. How much benefit is that membership money when its used to fund the ammo thats shooting your members in the feet? I am directly referring to the statement(s) attributed to USPA officials which make misleading references to USPA rules. When its the FAA requirements that must be met. Ones that pour gas on the fire of this sport. Or is it that USPA leadership and executives can't discern the law and their own regulations. Which from other posts and discussions in the LODI thread aren't enforced anyway. After all as long as the check clears and an agreement is signed the DZ is automatically safe. No enforcement needed.

So what is false about that statement? Never said it was false. Given that all standards are minimum standards, what is false about that statement? Never said it was false There are pretty complete discussions in the Lodi thread as to the completeness of USPA scrutiny of standards and the lack thereof. It is absolutely guaranteed if there is no enforcement actions by an organization. It is most likely because they are not looking, not investigating, or not prosecuting. In the context of the accident and investigation. The statement is not helpful to either the public or the media. It implies a lack of standards for non members and/or LODI.

IMO the USPA poll illustrates more than the posts here. Currently 50%, more or less. Wouldn't buy membership. The LODI accidnt and the treatment of a non USPA DZ: "airdvr wrote: I don't believe Ed's comments helped either. "Skydiving will never be a perfectly safe thing to do," said Ed Scott, executive director of the USPA, a nonprofit organization which works with state and federal officials to promote skydiving safety. "If you don't find a location listed on our site, you don't know what you're getting, you don't know what the standards are," Scott said. "The important factor with tandem skydiving is the certification and instructor." Are not helpful when informing the media and public. Its self serving. The US and other countries need people like Bill Dause to keep the government and organizations like USPA, CSPA, BPA and others in check. Every organization, without checks and balances. Will grow and grow, until some outside force brings its growth into check. $55 a year membership isn't insignificant when 10-30 or 50 membership checks are set off by a DZ after every weekend. Yes the money buys insurance and a magazine. But it also buys jumps for the student. For the majority of students who make 2-3 jumps that money adds up. USPA museum, er. the Skydiving Museum & Hall of Fame. How many jumpers go to Fredericksburg, Virginia to see it? Seems like a waste of money for the average jumper and student who buys membership. Generally speaking USPA, CSPA, BPA, etc do a good job. But without independent DZ's like LODI and thats whats great about the US. The budgets these organizations grow and grow. Providing more and more "services". As far a non members getting something "free" off the backs of members. The FAA has no interest in direct oversight of skydiving, hang gliding or other airsports. They just got a directive re third class medicals for AC up to five passengers. Toggle (D License) wrote: "The following are my observations based on 20+ years at Lodi: Lodi is not a USPA Group Member DZ because Bill Dause does not see the value in paying the Group Member annual fee to the USPA. Bill Dause is a USPA member himself and as an individual, he values the USPA. Bill Dause requires all of his graduating AFF students to join the USPA and get their USPA license." So group membership fees, add $55 for every student and you're taking about allot of money that could be spent on jumps. Experienced jumpers don't see $3000, $6000 and higher amount checks sent off every weekend for the jumpers who may never see a DZ again. Insurance can be bought directly by the DZ operator to include possible damage to third parties by his customers. Its probably a small rider on an existing policy. The LODI thread with some comments on USPA: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=4810236;page=5;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;

True. But now they do retests years later when the technology catches up. Cheaters never prosper. Depends on the country. "RIO DE JANEIRO — Late in 1983, months before they announced a boycott of the Los Angeles Olympics, sports officials of the Soviet Union sent detailed instructions to the head of the nation’s track and field team. Oral steroid tablets were not enough, they said, to ensure dominance at the Games. The team should also inject its top athletes with three other kinds of anabolic steroids. Providing precise measurements and timetables for the doping regimens, the officials said they had a sufficient supply of the banned substances on hand at the Research Institute of Physical Culture and Sports in Moscow, a division of the government’s sports committee. The potent drugs were critical to keeping up with the competition, they wrote in the instructions. The document — obtained by The New York Times from a former chief medical doctor for Soviet track and field — was signed by Dr. Sergei Portugalov, a Soviet sports doctor who went on to capitalize on a growing interest in new methods of doping.... “We will have the official recommendation and conclusion no later than Dec. 15, 1983,” it continued, suggesting that national sports officials and antidoping authorities were colluding to cover up doping." http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/14/sports/olympics/soviet-doping-plan-russia-rio-games.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

What effect has the low Ruble had on Europeans going to Russia?

ED SCOTT SHOULD BE FIRED! The correct response would be the "safety standards of the DZ". It does sound like Ed has a axe to grind which is not understood by the media or public. Its not helpful to anyone in this entire affair excepting possible plaintiff lawyers.

Incorrect. I think he is referring to piston twins. You are both actually right. Turbofan/jet and turbine twins are safer. Piston twins not. http://www.flyingmag.com/wrong-worry-twins-versus-singles

Yes, very much so. My ex-wife, who is a devoted Christian and was a rather strong liberal when we were married, now supports Trump because she wants a wall built. My kids are just pullling their hair out trying to determine what is wrong with her. Jerry Baumchen I don't buy into any arguments about education, intellect, etc. leading to Liberal or Conservative inclinations, re voting. I'm a conservative voter. But for many people there is a single issue or a few issues for which determine their vote. Are the prime determinants as to who or what party they vote for. For Greens it might be environmental "....". For some its guns, or the polar opposite gun control. Its somewhat difficult to listen to the rants of FOX loving rabid trump supporters. I have learned in life that the tuneout option is always there. IMO Bernie Sanders is a caring individual the polar opposite of trump. He also has no concepts of the necessity to balance budgets and how wasteful social engineering can be. By that I mean free college educations for all. I don't have high opinions of Hollywood pseudo-intellectuals who think the size of pop containers should be regulated by federal law. Because poor people are to stupid to recognize the danger of coke or pepsi. But I also recognize that many of them make huge contributions to the betterment of society. Brad Pitt and his large breasted wife come to mind. Its all part of the social fabric. Hopefully trump can end up in the fabric scrap bin. Not quite sure where you are going with that, but Brad Pitt's wife had a double mastectomy in 2013 so the comment seems in rather poor taste. Wasn't aware of that. I don't follow Hollywood that closely. I meant the children they adopted. The work she has done for the UN. http://www.newsweek.com/secret-world-angelina-jolie-charity-work-74853 and this is a old story. It seems as if the rest of Hollywood is only interested in drugs and self indulgent gratification.

Agree. Turbines safer than piston. Twin Otter the safest IMO. Even though the SE climb rate is no hell (480 FPM for -300) its low landing and stall speeds are comforting. The risks in skydiving are mostly all within the control of a jumper. They almost entirely arise from your own equipment and what happens after exit. Most of which you personally control. Watch out for other jumpers in freefall and after opening.

Agree. Doping today is very sophisticated. Just as the tests to detect it.

That right there is the answer.... you get all those hours... for "free" that many parlay into better ratings and a real job with an airline..... So you can get a commercial Get a job instructing, flying charter, , get a real job because some airline went broke and the market is flooded with experienced pilots, all with type ratings, all with a bilzillion hours and your wife wants you home at least once a week or she is going to serve you with "the papers". And your dreams all go down the toilet bowl like a big turd. But I digress. What was the question again?

Agree. I feel bad for honest, hard training, Russians who are caught up in this. Sorry for Russian Paralympics competitors who are clean. Its all grossly unfair. But all Russians should have been banned. Doping cheats the entire sport. The IOC and cycling federations are corrupt.

http://www.outsideonline.com/2031911/why-nobody-wants-host-olympics-america-least-all Agree. The corruption of the IOC. The IOC decision to pass responsibility on the Russian state sponsored drugging scandal. The false, concocted studies of all the great and lasting befits of every dollar spent on facilities. Besides. There is nothing like a free trip for someone to compete somewhere else. Who wants to say home when you can go somewhere exotic!

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Those are serious legs!

Cher, Whoopi, Miley Cyrus and Al Sarpton have all vowed to leave the country if Trump becomes president. I wouldn't mind if any of them left. Throw Justin Bieber and Jesse Jackson out too for fuck's sake. Justin Bieber is Canadian and its greatly appreciated, applauded and endorsed by all. That the US has adopted him. THANKS!!

Yes, very much so. My ex-wife, who is a devoted Christian and was a rather strong liberal when we were married, now supports Trump because she wants a wall built. My kids are just pullling their hair out trying to determine what is wrong with her. Jerry Baumchen I don't buy into any arguments about education, intellect, etc. leading to Liberal or Conservative inclinations, re voting. I'm a conservative voter. But for many people there is a single issue or a few issues for which determine their vote. Are the prime determinants as to who or what party they vote for. For Greens it might be environmental "....". For some its guns, or the polar opposite gun control. Its somewhat difficult to listen to the rants of FOX loving rabid trump supporters. I have learned in life that the tuneout option is always there. IMO Bernie Sanders is a caring individual the polar opposite of trump. He also has no concepts of the necessity to balance budgets and how wasteful social engineering can be. By that I mean free college educations for all. I don't have high opinions of Hollywood pseudo-intellectuals who think the size of pop containers should be regulated by federal law. Because poor people are to stupid to recognize the danger of coke or pepsi. But I also recognize that many of them make huge contributions to the betterment of society. Brad Pitt and his large breasted wife come to mind. Its all part of the social fabric. Hopefully trump can end up in the fabric scrap bin.

Because they like him. And what he says. Or they let their hate for HRC blind them to how awful he really is. The "bigoted, xenophobic, sexist" demographic is turning out to be a lot bigger than anyone expected. Yes, Yes and Yes. I have learnt to keep my mouth shut. I have lots of gun owning FOX viewing redneck friends. For them if its on FOX, its true. Guns mean everything. Hillary is polarizing. trump is worse. The entire world looks upon trump with morbid fascination. Its as if your next door neighbor got a divorce and was going to marry a paroled axe murderer. As if your co-worker got a flesh eating disease and even though their face was half eaten away. Insisted on getting orthodontic treatment.

It's very simple. Jerry said that Trump supporters tend to have a low intellect, and Billvon showed exit polls among other data that suggests they are less educated and have the worst grammar skills among supporters of all other candidates. Now tho they may be less educated, I showed exit polling data that suggests they still tend to be more successful financially than supporters of any democrat. ...but I know - you object to the part about me saying "educated Clinton supporter" - Ok, shame on me. I hate to tell all of you debating voter intellect and imagined links to intellect. There is one vote per person, rich or poor, smart or stupid. Thats why I always say. Vote early and vote often.

A very well written article. Yes. "Regrettably, his essential character appears to be fixed, and he seems incapable of change or growth. " At 70 years old there is no reset or change of personality for him. Recognition of mistake is not within his personality. I don't see that his age has much to do with it. He was an asshole and didn't change in his 20s, his 30s, his 40s, his 50s, or his 60s. He is just and has always been an asshole. He can not change. Not even his hair can change.You think someone with 10 BILLION dollars could come up with better hair. But I digress. I thought trump did a good job yesterday when he was interrupted fourteen times at the Detroit economic forum speech. His usual action would be to belittle, insult and impulsively go off track. Thats one day. His next gaff is just a day or two away. I would suggest that he has morphed from asshole to asstard.

A very well written article. Yes. "Regrettably, his essential character appears to be fixed, and he seems incapable of change or growth. " At 70 years old there is no reset or change of personality for him. Recognition of mistake is not within his personality.