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http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/dialing-for-dollars/ A 60 minutes story on the necessity of raising money for every senator, by senators. 40 hours a week on the phone raising money and 20 hours on senate business.
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http://www.wv-skydivers.com/weight-guidline.html
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Right now Well next year all of Canada will be 420. "TORONTO (Reuters) - Canada's Liberal government will introduce legislation to legalize and regulate recreational marijuana in spring 2017, Health Minister Jane Philpott said on Wednesday. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau promised during last year's election campaign that his Liberals would legalize recreational marijuana, following the U.S. states of Washington and Colorado, but the time frame has been unclear. Philpott, speaking at a special session of the U.N. General Assembly in New York on drug problems around the world, said the Canadian law will ensure marijuana is kept away from children and will keep criminals from profiting from its sale." http://ca.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idCAKCN0XH209 So B.C. bud will be available from coast to coast.
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What was your total cost per hour with coaching and accommodation?
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I have a really good general opinion of Mormons. But generally agree about religion as hazard so some with poorly developed critical thinking skills.
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Too funny. I just saw that story and was thinking about a guy I know that runs a work camp in northern Canada. He said in the evening the internet usage skyrockets as everyone is watching porn. They must have poor health i guess.
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Saudis warn of economic reprisals if Congress passes 9/11 bill
Phil1111 replied to Phil1111's topic in Speakers Corner
Mmmmm... There just doesn't seem to be a whole lot of love for our Wahhabi brothers. Saudi selling of US bonds and securities would certainly put downward pressure on the US dollar. Thats great news for US exporters. But what about Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, General Dynamics, etc(http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2015/10/18/pentagon-agency-handled-record-foreign-arms-sales-2015/74003606/)? Who will keep Iran in check(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction)? Hezbollah(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings)? -
I don't like Cruz - but this quote alone makes me chuckle and maybe dislike him a little less. Well he is protecting American bedrooms! "AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Defending a Texas state law banning the sale of sex toys, Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz argued in a 2007 court brief that individuals have no legal right to use them, even in the privacy of their own bedrooms. Prior to becoming a U.S. senator, Cruz was for more than five years Texas' solicitor general, arguing the state's legal positions in court. He often cites that experience to burnish his credentials as a Christian conservative. On the campaign trail, Cruz frequently reminds audiences that he used the job to defend capital punishment and oppose abortion, while preserving the words "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and defending a monument to the Ten Commandments on the state Capitol grounds." http://www.valleymorningstar.com/news/elections/article_3f54c005-4fb7-56e9-ad09-569a1bc4ed7b.html TrustTed to protect your bedrooms from sea to shining sea.
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Saudis warn of economic reprisals if Congress passes 9/11 bill
Phil1111 replied to Phil1111's topic in Speakers Corner
"Saudi Arabia is warning it will sell off billions in American assets if the U.S. Congress passes a bipartisan bill that would allow victims of 9/11 and other terrorist attacks to sue foreign governments... Former Sen. Bob Graham, the co-chair of the 9/11 congressional inquiry, told CNN's Michael Smerconish Saturday morning that he is "outraged but not surprised" by the warning from the Saudi government. "The Saudis have known what they did in 9/11, and they knew that we knew what they did, at least at the highest levels of the U.S. government," Graham said on "Smerconish.".... The government of Saudi Arabia, a longtime and key strategic U.S. ally in the Middle East, has never been formally implicated in the 9/11 attacks and Saudi officials have long denied any involvement. But 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi nationals, and in February, Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called "20th hijacker" who pleaded guilty to participating in an al Qaeda conspiracy in connection to the 9/11 attacks, alleged members of the Saudi royal family supported al Qaeda." http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/16/politics/saudi-arabia-government-9-11-congress-bill/ "Saudi Arabia and the United States have been close allies for decades. But the effusive reaction to the king's death reveals an uncomfortable truth about Washington's relationship to the kingdom. Despite Riyadh's repulsive human rights record, unproductive role in regional security, and American advances in shale oil production, the United States needs Saudi Arabia more than ever. So why does the U.S. put up with Saudi Arabia? The simplest explanation, of course, is oil. The kingdom is the largest and most important producer in the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), the bloc that controls around 40 percent of the world's oil. Because the United States was until recently the world's top oil importer, an alliance with Saudi Arabia made geopolitical sense...." http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/01/why-the-us-is-stuck-with-saudi-arabia/384805/ "The attacks killed 2,551 civilians (i.e., non-emergency-response personnel) and seriously injured another 215. The vast majority of these victims and their families sought compensation through the VCF. This group received a total of $8.7 billion in benefits, or an average of $3.1 million per recipient. Sixty-nine percent of the benefits came from the government, 23 percent from insurance, and 8 percent from charities." http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9087.html -
Congratulations. There are worse places to get a started with a disciplined work ethic.
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Somewhat WRONG. Overbilling by lawyers is the standard procedure of the industry. Most use software for billing that assists in this endeavor. One that I dealt with had .25 hour billing for the receipt of any letter or any phone call. Receipt of a single tax record(a one page receipt) for which his assistant was doing the work generated a bill from the lawyer of over $80. Its conceivable for a lawyer to bill over 24 hours in a single day using this scam. When the entire affair was over you can go through a "taxation" of a lawyers bill. After taxation of one lawyers bill every single item I bought to the taxation officers attention was reduced, not once did the lawyer win the argument and the MINIMUM amount that that item of the bill was reduced was 24%. This is how lawyers go golfing during weekdays and still manage to generate 3000 billable hours a year. "The federal government is suing a Saskatchewan law firm, alleging lawyers fraudulently overbilled for their work with survivors of Indian residential schools. In a statement of claim filed this week in Regina, the government says a 2014 audit report shows the Merchant Law Group claimed tens of millions of dollars in work time entries that were “intentionally inflated, duplicated or simply fabricated.” The suit alleges that some individual lawyers billed for more than 24 hours of work in a single day. Entries were also backdated, some by years, it says." http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ottawa-sues-law-firm-for-alleged-legal-fee-fraud-in-residential-schools-case/article22731017/ Here the irony is natives first got screwed by the injustices of the Indian schools travesty and then got screwed again by lawyers. But since non-natives get it from lawyers why should they be treated differently?
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Some good advise there. Many years ago I had a student who was so uncoordinated it was a wonder he could run. I spent at least three hours one on one with him to try and get some sort of recognizable PLF. He had one redeeming quality. He was a bodybuilder and built like a brick shithouse. He ended up making about 20 jumps, several of which included downwind landings. He just pounded into the ground. He would get up covered in dirt, grinning from ear to ear. Ready to do it again. Thankfully he quit because the cognitive skills didn't match the body or the sport. Back to the post above. If you go into a football or hockey locker room. The sound of velcro ripping from custom braces is heard from one rend of the room to the other. They work.
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Help convincing my wife that jumping isnt a death wish
Phil1111 replied to Ploy's topic in Safety and Training
http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/risk/sports.html http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120302-extreme-sports-a-risky-business -
Lots of good advise above so that sort of disputes the idea that you can't learn from the internet. Your instructors can answer your questions as well. Thats their job. When you first start out you will often think of the different scenarios of malfunction and what actions should be taken. Its natural because most people are nervous about how they would react to emergency situations. If you practice your procedures, understand the different problems and the functions of your equipment. You should be good to go. As others have already stated altitude awareness is important. I'd be embarrassed to talk about the number of reserve rides I have. But even so I was never under a reserve under 1500' and the usual reaction time from malfunction to reserve pull was never over five seconds. After more jumps you will become more confident in diagnosing problems and understanding the timeliness of problem diagnosis and action.
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"BMD significantly increased after 6 months of RT or JUMP and this increase was maintained at 12 mo; "... http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S8756328215002446 "There are two types of exercises that are important for building and maintaining bone density: weight-bearing and muscle-strengthening exercises. Weight-bearing Exercises These exercises include activities that make you move against gravity while staying upright. Weight-bearing exercises can be high-impact or low-impact. High-impact weight-bearing exercises help build bones and keep them strong. If you have broken a bone due to osteoporosis or are at risk of breaking a bone, you may need to avoid high-impact exercises. If you’re not sure, you should check with your healthcare provider. http://nof.org/exercise "Like muscle, bone is living tissue that responds to exercise by becoming stronger. Young women and men who exercise regularly generally achieve greater peak bone mass (maximum bone density and strength) than those who do not. For most people, bone mass peaks during the third decade of life. After that time, we can begin to lose bone. Women and men older than age 20 can help prevent bone loss with regular exercise. Exercising allows us to maintain muscle strength, coordination, and balance, which in turn helps to prevent falls and related fractures. This is especially important for older adults and people who have been diagnosed with osteoporosis. The Best Bone Building Exercise The best exercise for your bones is the weight-bearing kind, which forces you to work against gravity. Some examples of weight-bearing exercises include weight training, walking, hiking, jogging, climbing stairs, tennis, and dancing." http://www.niams.nih.gov/health_info/bone/Bone_Health/Exercise/default.asp I'll rely upon national institutes health and scientific study. Who formulate guidelines on general proven scientific concepts rather than one doctor that offers one opinion. Dr. OZ offers ideas on TV and some people accept them as fact. Most all of his ideas are unsupported by the scientific community.
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I think that study is fatally flawed. http://www.space.com/6354-space-station-astronauts-lose-bone-strength-fast.html https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150714150936.htm July 2015 From 10 years ago, http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/02/health/exercise-is-not-the-path-to-strong-bones.html Debunked Below: From the Journal BONE 2015 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S8756328215002446 and recently from Journal of Bone and Mineral Research, Aug. 2015: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jbmr.2499/abstract;jsessionid=D93E1FF712699A74D7241C9881A25BDE.f01t01?systemMessage=Subscribe+and+renew+is+currently+unavailable+online.+Please+contact+customer+care+to+place+an+order%3A++http%3A%2F%2Folabout.wiley.com%2FWileyCDA%2FSection%2Fid-397203.html++.Apologies+for+the+inconvenience.&userIsAuthenticated=false&deniedAccessCustomisedMessage= Which showed a 6-12% increase in bone strength as a result of exercise and quantified by CT scan. "Thirty-four men aged mean (SD) 70 (4) years exercised for 12-months, attending 92% of prescribed sessions. In traditional regions of interest, cortical and trabecular BMC increased over time in both legs. Cortical BMC at the trochanter increased more in the exercise than control leg, whereas femoral neck buckling ratio declined more in the exercise than control leg. Across the entire proximal femur, cortical mass surface density increased significantly with exercise (2.7%; p 6%) at anterior and posterior aspects of the femoral neck and anterior shaft. Endocortical trabecular density also increased (6.4%; p 12% at the anterior femoral neck, trochanter, and inferior femoral head. Odd impact exercise increased cortical mass surface density and endocortical trabecular density, at regions that may be important to structural integrity. These exercise-induced changes were localized rather than being evenly distributed across the proximal femur."
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WRONG!!! Without sidetracking this thread too much. Once you have a real experience in the courts you realize that lawyers are actors. That the courts are a Kabuki theater where stories or pantomimes are presented in the hopes that their story is accepted by the judge or jury. Years from now you will still be thinking about how to deal with lawyers and your skepticism with any court decisions.
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Weight training, plain and simple. Google weight training and increased bone density. A backpack with 40 plus lbs of sand and a couple heavy dumbbells together with a regime of squats,walking or light bouncing will build the bone density. “Exercise stimulates bone formation, because bone put under moderate stress responds by building density, and, depending on your age and workout regimen, it can either increase or maintain bone-mass density,” says Steven Hawkins, PhD, professor of exercise science at California Lutheran University. That’s why physical activity can reduce your risk of sustaining a hip fracture (which is usually caused by osteoporosis) by as much as a whopping 50%. If your bones are still healthy, working out with weight-training machines, free weights, or resistance bands, as well as doing exercises that use your body weight as resistance (sit-ups and push-ups, for example), will all build your bone density. The single best way to increase bone density is jumping (think jumping rope, jump squats, plyometrics), according to Dr. Hawkins. http://www.prevention.com/health/health-concerns/strength-training-exercises-strong-bones
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It's not about money. Canada gives billions and billions and billions of dollars every year to First Nations and yet the average aboriginal person living on the reserves lives in poverty only seen in the 3rd world. So where does all that money go? I could go on and on about the corruption. But what's the point. Clearly the leadership of the Federal Government nor the leadership of the First Nations feel that they need to be accountable to the aboriginals living on the reserves. The lack of jobs is just a side effect. The real problem is the out of date and racist Indian Act. Want to fix the problem with Canada's First Nations? Do away with the Indian Act. The best thing a young aboriginal person can do for themselves is get off of the reserve and join the rest of us in the real world. Yes that does mean being responsible for your own actions. But it also means bringing pride and purpose back into one's life instead of being a ward of the welfare state. But that's not the message they are being sold nor is that the message that the countless elites who earn big money working in the Indian Welfare Industry as well the MSM wants to champion. Completely agree. But a job is not all about money. If the figures in the quote above are correct every man, women and child on Attawapiskat receive $20,142 a year ($31.2 million and 1,549 residents). The residents are crammed into about 300 houses. With cash average income $16,160 per person. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/first-nations-housing-in-dire-need-of-overhaul-1.981227 A real job is independence, an opportunity to get ahead and feel pride. Currently 57% of natives live off reserves. Its those communities that insist on living on the teat of the Indian industry and Indian act that create these ghettos. BTW the federal government have chosen to fly three "health care professionals" into the community to solve the attempted suicide problem. That means three months from now the whole reserve should be on anti-depressants. That should fix the problem.
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Jumping with a cervical spine modified with two artificial discs...
Phil1111 replied to iPepe's topic in The Bonfire
Darn government supported communist socialized medicine you foreigners have! Just go marry a German, Brit, Canadian, Frenchman, Irishman, Swede, Norwegian, etc. etc. Perhaps Obamacare ll, i.e. Hillary-care or Sanders-care will include the procedure! -
North Carolina Anti-anti-discrimination law
Phil1111 replied to wolfriverjoe's topic in Speakers Corner
So upholding the constitution and the inherent right to justice and equality is trumped by the opinion of a small group religious ultraconservatives. "The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2) establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land.[1] It provides that state courts are bound by the supreme law; in case of conflict between federal and state law, the federal law must be applied. Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.[2]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause -
IMO the problem with Attawapiskat and other isolated first nations is a complete lack of JOBS. There is no year round road to the community. It and the other communities in the area have winter roads.Supplies to the community com via supply ships in the summer. Over 95% of all income in the community is welfare or government jobs. i.e. federal or provincial jobs supplying services to the community. The problem arises because older natives have a traditional attachment to the land. Hunting and fishing traditions run strong. But aside from the odd job guiding US hunters there is no cash income from this. There is no commercial fishing, little fur income from trapping. No opportunity to earn a real income. There are successful native First Nation communities. They have commercial fishing, mines close-by, or are close to sizeable Canadian population centers. Some have oil, mining, logging or other income from electrical power generating rights. But if the community has no real jobs it becomes a ghetto. Doomed to poverty, joblessness and despair. This system is somewhat encouraged by Indian chiefs that get salaries and benefits that they themselves quantify. They reward their families and friends with the few administrative jobs. The average tribe... er Native community member gets the leftovers. Its encouraged by the Canadian Indian act that has financial incentives for the status quo. Communities like this first need to be relocated. Just as other mining and resource based towns in Canada have been shut down and abandoned when the mine ran out of ore or became uneconomical. But leaving a community where people have lived for generations is very, very difficult. Fraught with huge difficulties. " If the news of squalid housing conditions in the northwestern Ontario First Nations community of Attawapaskat sounds familiar, it should. Here are just a few of the other Canadian native reserves that have made similar headlines: Pikangikum: This Ontario community has been cited as having the highest suicide rate in the world. At least 16 people committed suicide between 2006 and 2008, with five youth taking their own lives during a two-month stretch earlier this year. The reserve's only school has not been replaced since it was burned to the ground in June 2007. In October 2006, local health officials warned residents were at risk of developing serious diseases because the community lacked a proper water system. Constance Lake: This reserve near Cochrane, Ont., issued a plea to the federal government in 2010 after Ottawa announced it was cutting shipments of bottled water to the community. Community members say their water is unsafe to drink and they depend on outside assistance. Eabametoong First Nation: Rising crime rates and rampant drug use prompted a state of emergency in this northern Ontario community in November 2010. The federal and provincial government sent resources for 24-hour policing. Cross Lake: Manitoba's second-largest reserve, located 800 kilometres north of Winnipeg, declared a state of emergency in July 2006 when its nursing station was shut down indefinitely. Community members said they were in a state of medical crisis due to lack of adequate health care resources and said people were dying while en route to the nearest medical facility three hours away. Kashechewan: This fly-in community in northwestern Ontario was evacuated three times between 2005 and 2006 due to water contamination, poor housing and repeated flooding. The federal government has promised to relocate the community to higher ground, a project it says will take at least a decade. Sheshatshiu/Davis Inlet: These neighbouring Innu communities near Goose Bay in Labrador made national headlines due to an epidemic of alcoholism and drug use, particularly among youth. Davis Inlet was relocated and renamed Natuashish in 2002, and an alcohol ban was narrowly implemented in 2008. Both communities, however, complained of a housing shortage as recently as February 2011." http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/11/29/northern-ontario-aboriginal-communities-attawapiskat_n_1119308.html
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Mark Milke: Crunching Attawapiskat’s numbers By Mark Milke Imagine two small Ontario towns. One is a reserve that blocks an outside investigation into its $31.2-million annual operating budget. That town, Attawapiskat First Nation, has 1,549 people on the reserve according to the last census. Now imagine another town, a non-native one, where recent budget estimates peg its annual operating expenditures at $8.4-million. That’s the township of Atikokan, near Thunder Bay, with 3,293 people Careful readers will notice that the larger town, Atikokan, has a much smaller operating budget than does Attawapiskat. Where the money is spent is also curious. According to Attawapiskat’s latest budget documents, $11.2-million went to salaries, wages and employee benefits. That equates to $7,249 per reserve resident for compensation. In contrast, according to the latest available estimates from Atikokan, that town spends just less than $3-million on salaries and benefits, or $904 per person. That contrast might explain the resistance by some to a third-party investigation into the finances of Attawapiskat First Nation. After all, one might reasonably ask this question: given Atikokan spent $3-million on compensation for all city staff, why must Attawapiskat spend $11.2-million? That’s an $8.2-million difference, some of which could have paid for needed housing in the Attawapiskat reserve. Here’s another contrast. In Atikokan, (for the fiscal year ending in December 2009), the mayor’s salary was $7,713 with travel expenses of $4,268. The total cost to taxpayers thus just less than $12,000. In fact, the total for salaries and expenses for Atikokan’s mayor and seven councillors was just $46,691. On the Attawapiskat reserve (for the fiscal year ending in March 2010) the chief’s salary alone was $51,803. In total, salaries for Attawapiskat’s chief, deputy chief and 18 councillors that year amounted to $386,129. With $28,535 in expenses, the total cost to taxpayers was $414,664. In the next fiscal year, that cost jumped to $615,552 — a 48% increase. The Attawapiskat-Atikokan comparison isn’t the only useful contrast. Consider other northern Canadian towns that are also not reserves. In 2010, the northern Alberta town of Athabasca, with a population of 2,575, had an operating budget of $5.5-million. It spent just over $1.6-million on wages and benefits for all city staff, council included, or $644 per Athabascan. The village of Valemount, B.C., with 1,018 people, has an annual operating budget of $3.2-million. It paid out $811,852 in compensation-related expenses, or $797 per capita. If the City of Toronto spent as much on wages, salaries and benefits as Attawapiskat, Toronto’s remuneration bill would have been $20.1-billion in 2010, as opposed to $4.8-billion (and its curiously high $1,741 per capita figure). Such comparisons should be recalled by everyone when Chief Shawn Atleo from the Assembly of First Nations, and Attawapiskat chief Theresa Spence mount the rhetorical barricades and urge everyone to move on without “assigning blame,” which is a dodge. Or when they blame “colonialism.” A lack of money isn’t the problem. Rather, it’s how that money is spent. With the exception of obvious short-term help for the people of Attawapiskat in winter — to make up for past monies that were spent on a large bureaucracy instead of housing — more money won’t solve anything. Instead, a long-term strategy is needed with the following elements: accountability for money spent; eventual transfers directly to individual natives with money then taxed back for band services; and property rights for individual natives on reserves, which would help instill accountability, entrepreneurship and pride. Lastly, realism is needed about the fact so many reserves are not economically viable. For the past two centuries, people around the world have moved from rural areas to the cities. Similarly, many people on reserves (mostly in rural areas) need to find their way close to educational, economic and social opportunities in proximity to major population centres, if not for themselves, then certainly for their kids. Such opportunities are why the majority of First Nations people, 57% of them, already choose to live off-reserve. The challenge for politicians, native and non-native alike, is to remove existing incentives for people to stay on remote reserves, and to provide transitional help those same people move closer to opportunities. National Post Mark Milke is a senior fellow with the Fraser Institute and author of Life is Better in the Cities, which compares economic and social indicators on reserves with those of urban Canada. http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/mark-milke-crunching-attawapiskats-numbers
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Be thankful that you hear of cases like this. Hear of cops charged with corruption, drinking driving, etc. It shows that there is a modest level of integrity in the justice system. Be very leery about governments and political systems for which everybody seems honest, law abiding and filled to the brim with "integrity". "The Panama Papers, a collection of leaked documents covering the tax-sensitive offshore business of world political leaders, has prompted the prime minister of Iceland to resign and put his British peer David Cameron on a Q&A defensive. The papers point also to China, suggesting that family members of eight current or former senior Communist Party leaders have offshore companies set up by the document aggregator, Panama-based law firm Mossack Fonseca. The brother-in-law of Chinese President Xi Jinping is among those named. The legal and financial records emerge as China tries to stop corruption. With that irony closing in, the criticism-wary country ruled by a single party has responded as it usually does to slaps from offshore: angry rejection. “In China, Web postings are taken down, foreign publications blocked, Communist Party media blames the West, and leaders act as if nothing had happened,” http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphjennings/2016/04/10/china-plans-a-single-chilling-response-to-the-panama-papers/#37451072ccd1
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SpaceX JUST landed its 1st stage Falcon 9 on a drone ship.
Phil1111 replied to quade's topic in The Bonfire
Meanwhile in Europe: "Ariane 6.1 and Ariane 6.2 In June 2014 Airbus and Safran surprised the ESA by announcing a counter proposal for the Ariane 6. They also announced a 50/50 joint venture to develop the rocket. This joint venture would also involve buying out the French government's (CNES's) interest in Arianespace.[15][16] This proposed launch system would come in two variants, the Ariane 6.1 and the Ariane 6.2.[17] While both would use a cryogenic main stage powered by a Vulcain 2 engine and two P145 solid boosters, the Ariane 6.1 would feature a cryogenic upper stage powered by the Vinci engine and boost up to 8,500 kg (18,700 lb) to GTO, while the Ariane 6.2 would use a lower-cost hypergolic upper stage powered by the Aestus engine. The Ariane 6.1 would have the ability to launch two electrically powered satellites at once, while the Ariane 6.2 was intended mostly for government payloads. French newspaper La Tribune questioned if Airbus Space Systems could match promised costs for their Ariane 6 proposal, and whether Airbus and Safran Group could be trusted when they were found to be responsible for a failure of Ariane 5 flight 517 in 2002 and a more recent 2013 failure of the M51 ballistic missile.[5] The companies were also criticized for being unwilling to take the risks of development and asking for higher initial funding than originally planned to start development - €2.6 billion instead of €2.3 billion. Proposed launch prices of €85 million for Ariane 6.1 and €69 million for Ariane 6.2 were also deemed too high by the La Tribune in comparison to SpaceX[18] During the meeting of EU ministers in Geneva on 7 June 2014 these prices were deemed too high and no agreement with manufacturers was reached.[19]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_6 "PARIS—The head of the European Space Agency’s launcher directorate on July 7(2015) issued a surprising endorsement of the SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket during a French parliamentary hearing that was ostensibly about the status of Europe’s next-generation Ariane 6 vehicle. Gaele Winters, who is expected to ask ESA’s check-writing body on July 16 to approve a nearly $3 billion contract with Airbus Safran Launchers to develop Ariane 6, said the June 28 Falcon 9 failure in no way changes ESA’s assessment of SpaceX. “We have seen the outstanding success of Falcon 9,” Winters said. “Despite the issue of about a week ago, it is a fantastic track record for this launcher.” Winters was addressing the French Parliamentary Office for the Evaluation of Scientific and Technological Choices, which regularly reviews Europe’s and France’s space policy. - See more at: http://spacenews.com/spacex-looms-large-as-esa-readies-ariane-6-contract/#sthash.tJuiX3sX.dpuf Three billion Euro for a rocket that cant match Space X costs today. Let alone if Space X establishes reusable first stages and reduce launch costs another 30%. They should rename Ariane, Europork.