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No. _Am You may want to re-read post 55... "Yes, we do take SkyRide GCs at my DZ,..." unless things have changed since then. I can tell you that upon making my anonymous sLyride customer call three weeks ago, they told me to "c'mon and we'll take care of you", so I would have to say that they do, and according to the Facebook page for AST, (the Waverly, Tn, sLyride DZ), Doug leased them the PAC750 as recent as May, and maybe more recent than that. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

You've already admitted that you don't know what you're talking about, you aught to just stop there and shut the fuck up. seriously. Go to http://www.skydiveidaho.com/ a website, designed and built by - get this, SKYDIVE IDAHO. Notice the small link "click here to skydive". Notice the super slick reservation system provided by proskydiving. Now tell me how that takes ANYTHING away from the DZ, or hurts the buyer IN ANY CONCEIVABLE WAY. Or, better yet - don't tell me. Go tell someone who cares about what some piss-ant internet troll like you thinks, because for gods sake I sure as hell don't. Drop this torch you're carrying, because every time you post another slanderous accusation, you just make yourself out to be an even bigger ass than before. Or better yet, find out what the hell you're talking about, then come back and apologize. _Am What humors me is that you are getting all fired up because I asked a simple question about if a location exists. In Post #260, I never made any accusations or anything slanderous, then you come in here and go on full attack on me for asking a simple question. All you had to say was that there is indeed a location in Rochelle and I would have apologized and moved on, but since you want to attack people because you assumed I was going to slam Doug regardless of the location being real or not, well, you changed the whole direction of the post. I had full intention of asking the question and had the location been real, I would have apologized and dropped the whole damn thing. So, that being said, it appears that you made a bigger ass of yourself than I did. I do quite well at making an ass of myself, but if it hinders sLyride or a webpage for a fake location from making a sale, I don't mind making an ass of myself because if a customer gets redirected away from a middle man, sLyride, PRO, or any other and straight to the REAL DZ, the REAL DZO's win! Popsjumper sums it up best in post #77 on page 4 of this thread. The question I have is, Does CSC do business with sLyride? Before you say "No", Just remember, in post #55 on page 3 of this thread, Doug admits to accepting sLyride GC's. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

You're carrying a torch for this guy, it's just poor judgement. He runs a business, sells a good product that his DZO clients love, and the jumpers are always treated with respect. You reward this by chasing him all over the internet and flaming him every chance you get. Not only do I seriously question your judgment, ethics, and frankly - intelligence, but also your motivation. Serious lack of good judgement going on here. Since you admit you don't know the area very well, I'd suggest you keep your opinions to yourself and STFU. _Am Andy, it has absolutely nothing to do with Doug or CSC as an individual person or a DZ, It has everything to do with the fact that he himself said that his intention is to get in between the customer and the DZO and also after I exposed his affiliation with sLyride and others got in here and exposed the way that PROskydiving is set up and is modeled after sLyride. In other words, it's the intention of PROSkydiving that I have an issue with. You have absolutely no idea how many emails I get a week from jumpers as well as DZO's from around the country that are saying to check out this webpage or that ad, or Google places or whatever, and I can promise you this, I get almost as many with issues about PROSkydiving as I do about sLyride, so that being said, in the last 7 or so months, if I post something somewhere, I not only say not to buy from sLyride, I add not to buy from ANY middle man! Skydiving DOES NOT NEED middlemen! PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again I say, DZO's, Do your own marketing and keep your money in your own pocket so the internet scalpers don't get it. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

That's why I said I don't know that area very well, and left the comment open for confirmation/contradiction. The link and the info that there may not be such a location was given to me by someone else and I did some Google searching and only found that link advertising it and some ads that go back to that link, so being that we exposed PROskydiving and Doug Smith as being affiliated with sLyride, and that Doug has already said that he intends to get between the customer and the DZO, it would go without saying that if a webpage claiming to be a questionable location shows up, it needs to be exposed. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

I do not know the area very well, but if information serves me correctly, there is not a wind tunnel in Rochelle, Illinois that has been operating since 2001. Maybe some of our Northern Skydivers can offer some insight to this location. Here's the link where I found this location. http://proskydiving.com/skydive/il/locations/category-5-productions-indoor-skydiving Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

This may be a reports but it showed up this morning in my email. http://news.yahoo.com/woman-claims-1971-hijacker-d-b-cooper-her-072547811.html Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

I do agree with you that ZP may be a superior product in a lot of areas, but it's possible that the OP may be a beginner or someone on a really low budget and wants to get his own equipment and learned that he can acquire an F111 cheaper than a ZP. That's just some possibilities. I got my rig for $400 on ebay when I first started jumping, and got almost 600 safe and injury/incident free jumps on it and includes several paying Demo's, so I'd say that's a pretty good return on my investment considering the only expense it has incurred was the $350 for the upgrade from the Sentinnel to the Cypress and of course, as with all rigs, reserve repacks. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

I jump a Falcon that is F111 and have had very good luck with it. The only problem I have had is the arrogant jumpers who wanna laugh at it. I've done probably 100 or so demo's with it and had absolutely no problem and usually land on or really close to the target. One demo was my front yard for my kid's birthday, We had 100ft x 75 ft of usable open space and 40 ft trees all the way around and wires down one side, Two of us were using F111 and two were using ZP, Myself and the other jumper using the F111 and landed within 3 ft of dead center, one of the ZP guys surfed through the yard and the other landed next door in the neighbor's larger yard. IMO, Sure! ZP is nice, but F111 works just fine! Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

My sources for the numbers I posted were from two places, The Groupon numbers came directly from Ryan at Groupon, so I'm gonna have to say that part is cut n dry. The sLyride/Sportations numbers that I posted came from multiple DZO's that I have communicated with over the years who have either tried them or still actively accept them. I can tell you that a lot of the DZO's that I've communicated with are ashamed to admit and don't openly talk about their affiliation with sLyride. During the process of building our DZ's page, I communicated with over 150 DZO's and I found that more so than not, the ones who accept sLyride said (and we all know this) that they were backed in to a corner and essentially forced to accept them or the DZ down the road would. Those are the guys who are ashamed of it. I only found two DZO's who were proud to take a sLyride ticket. I have tried to encourage those DZO's to stop taking the tickets and file a lawsuit so they can tell their story in court, but almost 100% of them were afraid to go there and afraid of the repercussions of pissing off sLyride and I tried to get them to talk to us here on DZ.com, they also declined (so far), so this tells me that sLyride has successfully hi-jacked the internet and bullied their way in to the market and successfully used fear tactics to stay in the market. I really don't expect to see this, but I would love to see some DZO's weigh in on this thread and shed some light how they expect to stay in business if they continue to do business with Groupon, and especially sLyride. I'd love to see the DZO's of Skydive Temple or Skydive Duanesburg get in here and offer some explanations since those are two that run a lot of Sportations/Groupon ads. I've said it many times and I'm going to say it again; DZO's, do your own marketing, and your own SEO and you will find that you don't need sLyride or any other middle man. I am NOT an SEO expert, nor do I claim to be one, but I do have something to offer you that will help you with your SEO. You can start by sending me the info for your DZ so I can add it on the DZ's page. Check the page, and if you don't see your DZ listed, PM me and I will add it to the list. It's 100% free and you will never be asked for a dime. The benefits are that it will be another link to your site, and will push you further up the search engines, and it directs people straight to you, not through a middle man or someone who's going to get a cut of your money. The page is http://www.1800skyrideripoff.com/dzs/ Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Alabamskydiver; You would be correct sir, I followed them all over Groupon, every time I found a new ad, I posted the info. It got to a point that I have a txt file that has the initial post, then the follow up posts as their damage control person, "Sportations National" post post rebuttals so all I had to do was to copy and paste. At first, I was posting the proof that Sportations is another name for sLyride and even posted the physical address of both company names, but in typical sLyride style, they would lie their ass off to protect their "Dirty little secret"! I posted other proof like the fact that both websites (Sportations.com and sLyride.com) have the same "Terms and Conditions" pages and the same contact us phone number and so on and so forth. In 100% of their rebuttals, "Sportations National" would reply that they are not sLyride, but we know they are. Then I would switch it up and post URL's for the REAL local DZ's who is running Groupon ads in the same city, that is provided another DZ was running one, if not, I would often find that the same DZ that Sportations/sLyride was selling for would be running a groupon for themselves, and almost 100% of the time, it would be $20 to $40 cheaper than the Sportations Groupon for the same tandems. Then, when I could not find either competing DZ's running Groupons, or the DZ's being promoted by Groupon/sLyride could not be found, I changed the strategy to pointing out how the web pages for Sportations and how they claim to be in this city or that city, they blatantly avoided answering those questions, all they would do is to thank everyone for buying from them, or they would say that the jumps are in where ever, but even where ever is NOT in whatever city. On Friday, 29 April 11, I received an email from Groupon requesting that I call Ryan Miller at 312-662-7207 to discuss the issue of my posts and the email read as follows; Jeff, Hope all is well. I wanted to reach out to you and discuss Sportation. We're doing diligence on our end to better understand everything around Sportation. If you have a few minutes next week, I'd like to set-up some time to talk by phone. Let me know if there's a good time for you. Thanks and have a good weekend. -- Ryan 312.662.7207 Upon calling Ryan, the first thing he told me was that they had received a lot of calls from the Skydiving community from all over the country and ALL were complaining about the same issues I was posting. we discussed the connection between Sportations and sLyride, the history of sLyride and that Sportations is nothing more than a cover name for sLyride that was created shortly after losing their ass in the Eloy case. I explained that sLyride/Sportations is NOT respected in the Skydiving community and I gave him the info for the DZ.com threads that discuss both company names and I gave him all the additional info that they needed to arrive at the conclusion that they would not want to be affiliated with either company name, I the explained that sLyride and their aliases were nothing more that Middle Men, and even internet scalpers that Skydiving DOES NOT NEED! He agreed and told me that Groupon was going to disallow Middle Men companies from advertising in the Groupon network. And he also agreed that Groupon didn't want to be affiliated with a company with such a criminal history. That was the end of that call. About three weeks later, I discovered a new Groupon ad running in Minnesota, I posted the info just as I had been and called Ryan back to inquire as to why Sportations was back advertising on Groupon. He told me that they had decided to allow them to resume but they (Groupon) had placed restrictions on Sportations that they were to start posting the location for the jump and include the contact info for the DZ that the jump was to take place at. Then started to resume posting the info and I started noticing that other people had been in those threads posting the direct links to the DZ's, so, at this point, I turned up the aggressiveness and posted in every ad that I could find and it didn't matter if it was expired or not, I posted in it. Then other people started to respond to my posts, some were supporting my posts, some were supporting sLyride's. By this point, I noticed that the number of Tandem sales had dropped from the usual 500+ (+ or- depending on the city population) they were selling per city to sometimes 50 or less, but not usually more than 100 or 150. I'm not taking nor claiming any credit for that simply because it could have been anything that caused this. You assumed that I grossly over did the posting, I can assume that I did, being that there was an estimated 750 (Groupon site wide) or more posts by me and close to the same by the sLyriders in rebuttal. I woke up Wednesday morning to make more posts and found that my previous posts had been removed and the only remaining evidence of my having been there is the rebuttals by the sLyriders. davelepka One problem I did discover through all this was that if Sportations sold a Tandem, they would not pay the DZO for it until the CG was used, so again in typical sLyride fashion, they made the most money considering that not all skydiving GC's get redeemed. And Also, groupon makes more than the $10 each that you posted. Ryan at Groupon told me they make around $25 to $40 depending on the price, sLyride makes the same, so if a Tandem sells for $119, and Groupon takes $40, and sLyride takes another $40, well, I just don't see how it can be feasible to use either middle man and certainly not both. I don't know of any DZO's who would do tandems for $40. They might as well get out of the tandem business and put up jumpers back in the plane. You would also be correct in that the people who are blindly buying the Sportations/Groupon tandems are just plain brain dead! They obviously have more money than sense, and do absolutely no research before they throw money out the window! matthewcline If the info I have is accurate, you would be correct sir! dzjunky77 Keep doing that! We need all we can get! Driver1 It's looking like it! As long as these desperate DZO's continue to do business with sLyride or their other aliases, It's clearly imminent that sLyride and Greed will be the demise of Skydiving. The entire Skydiving community needs follow the lead of the racing community, and stop doing business with sLyride. There are no known racing schools who do business with sLyride! Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

http://www.facebook.com/JumpingForFun?ref=ts Made it a clicky for ya! Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Whatever you do, DO NOT give your money to 1 800 Skyride, Sportations, Thrill Planet, Adventure Skydiving or any other alias of 1 800 Skyride! They are a SCAM and an internet scalper! You need to deal directly with the DZ's, There may be others, and I believe these are on the same airport, but different operations. http://www.skydivehawaii.com/ http://www.pacificskydivinghawaii.com/ Hope that helps. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

It appears that them sLyride fuckers are at it again! But,,,, wait,,, They never stopped posting Google maps for places that don't exist in towns that don't even have a DZ anywhere near! See the attachment! Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Story of my life, day late and a dollar short! I was late as well. (busy chasing sLyride around the internet) Anyway, Congrats Matt! Good job Soldier!!! Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

According to the distances that each location lists, they have some that are less than a tenth of a mile from each other! Guess the Skies over PA are really busy these days! Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

It's a good thing that didn't happen at the big end, or he shook the tires or got crossed up or a variety of other problems that can happen. That it is a Top Alcohol Funny Car and would have been at around 250mph at the stripe. I'd say dude got pretty lucky that it happened just out of the box and probably only got 80 or 100 mph. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

That will take more than a dozen. More like 60 or 80 people to do that and they really need to rotate their IP address if possible. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

You would be correct sir! Recently, Doug Smith of Skydive Chicagoland sent me an email and requested that I change the status of his dropzone on our DZ's page to "Does NOT accept Skyride", I reminded him that I will be calling to follow up, and sure enough, I called up there this week, and they are still accepting sLyride. So nice try Doug! http://www.1800skyrideripoff.com/dzs He also supplied the sLyride DZ in Waverly, Tn with a PAC750 recently as well. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Yeah, I thought you'd enjoy that!! Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Billy will most likely be out of commission for a couple of days. He sent me a text about 20 minutes ago with the attached pic and the following message; Going on 16 hours now. Fridge and freezer contents are trashed by now. Have some perishables in 2 coolers filled with ice. Not likely to see power back on for a couple days. Emergency crews always do the big cities first and the tiny towns last. And the big cities got hit real bad... Why oh why did I forget the beer? He forgot the beer???? ---- Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

I actually talked to the guy who is either running that DZ or owns it when this DZ was first brought up in this thread; http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4100239;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread. He claims to have worked for sLyride and got tired of being part of "The bullshit of working there", and he claims to not have any affiliation with sLyride, but there's just too many parallels to not be a sLyride DZ. The most notable is in their site. In the Flash image image rotator on the home page, there's a picture of Jeff Fincher jumping with an AFF student and if you go to the "Get Certified" page, there is a huge quarter page picture of him with the same student. As most who follow the sLyride related topics know, Jeff Fincher is perhaps the biggest supporter of the sLyride scam and has his pictures featured all over the Sportations.com sites and some of the sLyride sites as well. Another notable element is that the guy that I talked to had a 770 area code, sLyride's real local number is a 770 area code. Based on these facts, IMO, I would be inclined to believe that contrary to the DZM/DZO said, this is very likely to either be a sLyride affiliated DZ or sLyride owned DZ. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

I've already removed their listing with the link from my DZ's page. www.1800skyrideripoff.com/dzs Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

I don't know if it is related, but the groupon is now all the way down here. A banner ad here on Dropzone.com:- 70% off a skydive ??? Yep, That's them! Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Due to the recent surge in new threads pertaining to Skyride and their new company name "Sportations" advertising on Groupon, Living Social and the other "Middle Man" websites, please post the URL's for the ads in this thread as soon as you find them. This will prevent a flood of new threads and the possibility of them being made, then lost and forgotten as they fall down the list. Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org

Yeah, I'm still laughing my ass off about that!! They know they are on the hot seat, and I guess they will stop at nothing to keep up their scam. Ahh, the luxury of posting in a non moderated forum! Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org