ViperPilot
-
Content
871 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Never -
Feedback
0%
Everything posted by ViperPilot
-
Nice...either way, you don't like the way they do things, don't go; it's that simple. Unfortunately some people are just to stupid to put 2 and 2 together.
-
haha, ok...but I can still hear the whine of the engine now as she slams her car to a blazing 80 mph.
-
If I act up, then yeah. If they have a reason, then yeah, they can kick my ass. If it's completely baseless and for no reason other than to just do it, then that's wrong (same applies to soldiers). So they guy who's had 10 shots a couple pitchers of beer equally can defend himself against you who's had a few beers? Yeah, I know where I'll put my money. That is not a bar fight.
-
If I wantd a castrated vehicle, I'd drive a Prius...luckily, I drive a real car...and no, I don't care that it doesn't get as good mileage!
-
This guy went into Singapore knowing the law and knowing he was subject to it (or at least he should have). He broke their law, thus he has to abide by it. I have no problem w/ some d bag drug smuggler get the axe, especially when he broke laws that already said he'd get it.
-
"getting kicked around a bit" does not mean torture. It's not torture to slap some shitbag around. Do you consider a little roughing around, a jab here and there torture? I don't think so. If that's what you do think, then by your definition everyone who's gotten in a fist fight, a bar fight, etc. has tortured someone. Give me a break. Oh yes, Newsweek, the all-knowing, always correct 7th wonder of the world!
-
Uh, no. I don't mind the Pakistanis twisting the arms of people like Zarqawi or Bin Laden (read, twisting arms does not mean hollowing out knee caps and pouring acid in). I do not condone the torturing to near death of a common soldier, terrorist or not. I'm talking about guys who know a lot, i.e. Zarqawi...sorry, but people like him gave up his rights long ago.
-
Well claims made by the media involving war are wrong about 99.9% of the time. But if the guys on the ground were directly launching WP munitions into people, I'd like to know the reasoning and info surrounding the specific situation. Bet there's a lot of info the media so nicely twisted or just left out.
-
Well first of all, those guys are idiots. Second of all, how many of those inmates were 100% legitimately innocent people? I don't know, but there's a decent chance that a majority of them did something real nice to get there in the first place and on that note, I don't care if they get kicked around a bit to give some info. And how many inmate did these soldiers kill? Was it in self defense? Just would like a few more details, that's all. Well if that's true, then that's 3 complete idiots, but hardly the vast number that rebirth seemed to think there was. Regarding the conversation... Neither Rummy or the Gen are saying torture is ok. Rummy gives the politican shoe clerk reply of "report it, but don't get involved" where as the Gen gives the real man w/ a "fuck politics" attitude reply of "stop that shit where it stands!" No surprise there.
-
Yes and no. Depends on the situation. If you've got a platoon in the fight for their lives, those guys are certainly not going to wait and ask if they should use a grenade or not. If WP was used in a defensive situation as a last ditch, then they wouldn't ask. It's very situational dependent.
-
Uh, this wasn't a question about extraordinary rendition, it was about people supporting American military torture of innocent people. And by the way extraordinary rendition (as pertaining to that poll) is the CIA's use of foreign govts to extract info out of people who we did not just grab off the street, but KNOW that they KNOW something we need. Those guys are pieces of shit and I don't see a problem with some Pakistanis twisting their arms a bit.
-
Yeah a few may have gone to far, but did they go so far as to purposely kill innocent people and/or torture them? I'd like to know that stat. And secondly, how as Bush crossed the line? (he can't b/c he's not even over there). Unless you're just saying he crossed the line w/ policy, but that's not the discussion at hand.
-
Yeah, and how many American military personnel have tortured or directly and purposely killed innocent people in Iraq? Bet I can count that number on my hands. And for any piece of shit in the US military who does pull that, hell yeah they should be called out and punished. How many posts on this forum have blatantly said that they are totally fine with American soldiers torturing and killing innocent people? Tell me.
-
Like Matt said, I'm talking about raining WP from a lumination round or something like that. Some falls on you, yeah it'll F you up, like I said. But unless you just get hit brunt on w/ the explosion right there, it probably won't kill you. Now has that happened, yeah. But that's not what we're doing over there. We're not just launching WP rounds left and right directly to impact on a bunch of guys.
-
In the context that WP has been used by the US, no we wouldn't. We're not just running around corners pumping WP Bombs into people homes. I have no problems w/ that. I object to chemical weapon use. But just like someone else said, stretching incendiary into chemical is just that, a stretch. Trying to use a far fetched stretch as a reason to call the US military "as bad as they are" is complete bullshit. That's what I was saying. If a US soldier blatantly slices off some kids head or burns some guy alive, then hell yeah people should be pissed and hold the soldier accountable. Those guys are bad, we're not...at least 99.5% of us.
-
There were many reasons, and WP was 1/1000000 of those reasons. Yes chemical weapons was one of the facets, but the emphasize was put much on all the weapons he had an abundance of and used all the time. WP was just one line on a list and that was about it (used here and there, just one little notch, not a big deal). Claiming this video is Bull b/c we went into stop Saddam from using WP is such a twisted lie. WP had very little to do w/ the whole thing.
-
Fair enough. However, WP is not like some thing you see out of Indiana Jones that just eats your flesh to the bone all over your entire body (as several of the bodies in that video were). Yeah it'll burn you bad where you get hit, but as a deadly weapon, not really. Yes it can F you up good, but chances of killing you soley from that, very low. Also, we do not just launch WP onto people randomly. If it's launched directly at anyone, it's going to be right on the heads of the bastards trying to kill us...no problem w/ that. And fair's fair, they can try it if they want. I disagree too. That's not what I was saying. It's still BS to try and find any little thing to fuel ones hate for Bush, the govt, the military, etc. but seem to not care nor have a problem w/ how those shitbags over there operate. Basically, a lot what JKM said.
-
Not at all. I was just commenting on the fact that some people get so up in arms about the smallest possilbility that the US may have killed someone w/ WP, but they don't give two shits about all the horrible stuff those fuckers over there do. If that's not the case w/ the original poster or anyone in this thread, sorry I made the incorrect assumption. But those people do exist widely, and many are on these forums.
-
It's the government, it doesn't have to make sense.
ViperPilot replied to kallend's topic in Speakers Corner
It's only 36 nm if you choose to stay on the side of caution and you don't have a GPS/don't trust your VORs (which you can test with a VOT, so you're fault if you don't do that before flight). And like Hook (i think) said, how much bigger would the TFR be if centered on one of those VORs? Too lazy to do it, but just from looking it's gonna be WAY bigger than 36 nm radius. You either hate Bush and the govt so much that you try to make any stupid argument you can, or you're an incredibly terrible pilot (or both)...case closed. -
Yeah, the deleted one is the same thing posted above, just in reply to Mike's comment about the US military. And yeah, I agree.
-
I also find it disturbing that people get their panties in a bunch about this. Anyone want to show proof that all those bodies were people soley killed by raining WP? Yeah, good luck finding that...(hint, they're not). Same level eh? Well take a look at these pics. If seeing that poor excuse for a chop-job video pisses you off, take a look at these pics. Or is it not disturbing because they're Americans?
-
It's the government, it doesn't have to make sense.
ViperPilot replied to kallend's topic in Speakers Corner
So how has this deterioriated into you pulling things like DME arc approaches and ATP ratings out of your ass? We're not talking about IMC flying, we're talking about avoiding a freakin TFR. Both VORs used for triangluation off by 4 deg (in opposite directions to give worst case scenario) puts you b/w 5 and 6 mi off. So, in a 1 in 1,000,000 chance that this happens (both off 4 deg in opposite directions), you'll only be 5-6 nm off. Gee, give the TFR a 6 mi buffer if you really want to fly close and don't have access to a GPS, thus being forced to use VOR trinagulation. P.S. It took me 6-9 sec to figure all of that out and just to check, the monkey in my closet concurs. -
That time of the month Jen?
-
It's the government, it doesn't have to make sense.
ViperPilot replied to kallend's topic in Speakers Corner
***(I know it was an FAA approved pen because my CFI signed me off for solos with it.)*** Ha! Classic bill. -
I think people should answer this w/ an open mind and not base it on whether they agree w/ Iraq or not. Take all politics out, if the US went to war (do not assume war means the same situation as Iraq now), would you vollunteer to go?