Schroeder

Hey rhino, mind if I ask the origin of your new catchy "Here's your sign" bit? Am I recalling correctly that it was some comedians material, but, how did it go?

was she told she would be killed? No. Few people look at a bulldozer and consider it crushing them, compared to the people who look at a rifle and imagine being shot by it. She was stepping backwards and fell. It ran her over. Do I respect her, yes, this had a component of accident to it, but it wasn't completely. To call her an idiot.... jesus.

here here! 8pm on saturday, i'm in the office... eating panago's pizza actually....mmmmm

Hmm... I think I'll celebrate tonight, and make a pie. An apple pie even....

Interesting, and I'd have to say I agree with it.

Yes, please, re-enter the yard-of-death! Come one come all! EDIT: except for crows.

I remember watching 2 stellar jays tricking my german shepard out of his food, one would to to one side of the deck and distract him while the other would come down and steal his food, then they'd fly away for a while, switch and do it again. Smart birdies. Let nature have it's way, don't kill them, and perhaps the robin will evolve to defend it self against crows and other predators. Perhaps, even, grow a thumb... oooh the chaos that would ensue.

Even more surprising is when nature comes after humans! After all, we're different right ? I was on a kayaking trip where a friend of mine was attacked by a wolf while he slept and the wolf would have had him too, if the rest of us weren't there. But he got him good, tore off about 75% of his scalp, and ripped up his arms, he lost alot of blood and was a mess. It's nature though, they could care less about whether it's human, martian, or seafood, if it looks edible, they'll give it a shot.

I love crows, ravens etc. They're so damn smart, I mean, they show such intelligence, compared to other birds, like making and using tools, etc, I mean, the deserve some respect for that I figure. I always thought it'd be cool to keep a raven from birth, but it's illegal here in N.america. Canada at least. Oh well.

Yeah, that's real-life for you. And it's a Murder of crows for a reason . But seriously, alot of animals eat animals, and that's just the way it is. They don't wait for old age to take care of them, they don't have the thumbs to make a gun to shoot the robin with a single shot, so they use what they've got and peck him to death. I mean, it's fair. And I think I'd just call it Nature rather than nature gone wild. Sorry you had to see it though. And killing a bunch of crows for doing what they do seems silly, and it ain't gonna bring back your robin.

Well, We'll see soon enough I suppose. P.S. If I were like some of our neighbors, here might be where I'd add: Well Damn, you like it so much, why don't you just move there? (That's my mod of the "support or get out" I've heard around this board in the last while.) But this isn't about drawing lines between countries, or opinions, you have yours I have mine, and the next guy will have his.

You guys are amazing. Turn that around if you want, and compliment yourselves, and say, "huh, we really ARE amazing! Holy Sh!t We're Great!...." But I think you know what I'm really trying to say here. I am intelligent enough to not say "You Americans are amazing." Because that would be a gross generalization. Which are bad. I mean, why would I use sarcasm like that against a whole nation, when really, only a portion are deserving?

Rhino, no offense, but you do come off as trigger-happy (or at least eager at times), so I don't know that you're the best benchmark by which to judge the man's patience. Not to say you were shooting for objectivity there, but still.

I said avies. I have lost a few people I know to them, and since I play out there, they're something that's always on my mind.

I'll bet someone is typing the same post at this very moment.... Ok, So, I was perusing the yahoo site, and found this in their headlines! Opinions? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=519&ncid=519&e=1&u=/ap/20030305/ap_on_re_us/mall_activists_6

So do I! What color boxes did you use? blue, red, black...... ah... back in the day...

Well... the last time I shot a head of lettuce and gutted a carrot, yes, I made the weapons. Lol. (as I think I mentioned above, I'm vegan, don't really have a use for those things.) I knew 'unable' would come back to me. I think that even though it was over emphasized, my point was that so many people are squemish because they're not part of the process, And not realizing the effect of ordering a hamburger or chicken fingers, rather than something with with less impact on the earth, like a veggieburger illustrates a cavalier attitude to life. But like I said, that is really, really, only my take on the whole thing.

In comparison, there's kinda a gap between leisure and survival. IMHO, people's disassociation from the process is a concern to me, because, of all the elementry things, we should at least be capable of getting your own food in order to survive. It speaks to our frail, self-created place on this earth, that we're unable to do that.

That's good to see you're educated on it. Just asking here, but does that mean you are experienced in the prep of it all too, from moo--to---Mmmm? I'm seriously just wondering.

No one is saying you should, just that people should be as capable in either method, (paying or killing the animal themselves.) I always said to my friends, that if I ever go back to eating meat, it would only be from the animals I kill myself, so I can show some respect to the life I'm taking. The fear of getting your hands 'dirty' seems weak to me. Like take all 16 year old North Vancouver girls and ask them to kill/clean/butcher their own meat and the vegan population would go through the roof, but why? I mean, oh my god, the blood, the guts, the horror, the trauma right?! The reason for that, is because people have disassociated the final 'product' form the source. Start switching in COW in place of BEEF, and PIG in place of HAM. I strongly feel that if the majority of the population were better educated on the meat industry, alot would begin to choose to opt out. But how are your hands any 'cleaner' by paying someone else to do your dirty work... I don't know but this is something that has always played on me as well. I guess I'm saying that I'll respect the willing more than the unwilling, even from a vegan's perspective.

Josh, I get what you mean. I do. There's like this illogical detachment from the gathering process which now entails forking over cash in order to avoid the savagery of killing something yourself. Camping is the difference I guess, it nicely divides those willing to get back to the roots of humanity from those who have been conditioned, or choose to pretend we're above all of that. I mean, yes, some people just never had the opportunity to get out there and experience it, and that's a matter of conditioning, and environment, but to those who really feel the urge inside them to get back to nature, they get there. They save, they spend, they do what they have to to escape for a while. I camp often, from winter camping when I can, to kayaking trips, to just heading to an island and chilling out there. I grew up basically in the woods, and continually feel called back to them. I've had some scary times out there, but not cuz it was dark, or I had to gut the fish I caught, but because of bears or wolves. But I'll keep going back, just gotta be smart out there and the rewards are endless. I actually for 1 year, devised a plan to escape to the wilderness on northern BC, for 6 months on my own in the Mitchell mountain range. I used topo, GIS, sat/aerial imagery to pick a good spot, came up with an access route with bearings, distances, etc. Did terrain modelling to avoid areas which frequently slid, and positioned the camp in a place where I could sleep in in the mornings and enjoy a nice evening sunset, by the mountain lake. I mean, conceptually, this place is _perfect_ and sometime, when I just gotta get a way... The plan was to bring food, and an axe, gps, med kit and flares. That's it, and stay up there for 6 months. Build my own shelter, gather my own food (I'm vegan) etc. I had (have) this sucker worked out to a tee.

I'm canadian and if, say, the americans were to us as iraq is to you, still I'd want to keep avoiding it. Why? because, really, why does the family of the person in toronto mean more to me than the family in detroit? It doesn't, and I really think that drawing these lines in the sand/snow only makes things worse. So, I hope bill would say the same thing, because here, there, everywhere, a life is a life. To me, personally, the notion that something could happen in my backyard isn't enough to cause me to make an decision based on a border line.

damn! I read your post that said "Who's with me!?" and I clicked 'No'. But really, I think that those threads are good. We may be in heavy times, but that isn't when you decide to revert to trivial banter. Just my opinion. I always am slightly bothered when (i'm a skier) and people say "Oh man, lets just talk about skiing here, and chill on the whole politics thing" I dunno,. just bothers me when people want to defer from important stuff. yes... even if this is a skydiving board...

ha sorry guys, this post for some reason reminds me of the great Simpons quote, from when Milhouse's dad is showing Homer around his new apartment after his divorce from Milhouse's mom: Milhouse's Dad: "Hey, Homer, uh, I sleep in a race car! Where do you sleep?" Homer: "In a bed. With my wife." Milhouse's Dad: "uhh... oh." -- If I ventured in the slipstream; Between the via-ducts of your dreams.......could you find me?

wow that's stupid. I would love to hear the logic behind that one.