warpedskydiver

Bill re-read the act

They are banned as firearms by federal law and governed as Destructive Devices. just like bombs and grenades

Yep and who will pay for it when it gets defaulted upon? Hey try go opening a bank account without a SSN and see how they treat you, then lets us kow what happened.

That is just plain wrong. The US should be an even playing field. We should not be favoring Illegals.

Buy a pair of lopping shears. Just in case you find out who it was.

It will be paid off by the HUGE increases in taxes them dems will levy against you JOHN.

I would come measure it for you but I would be just a fraction shy

Thanks Mike for your input Go read the IL AWB proposal It should make even the hardliner lefties sick.

And they would be illegally possed by a felon in many cases. I can provide many examples of felons with Full Auto's They even have started stealing them from police cars.

It really is a very serious matter. Last year around this time all of the Illinois manufacturers got together in Springfield to talk to legislators about the statewide impact of such a ban and to agree to fight any legislation of this type. Many of our local elected and appointed officials went with to express that we're good people, good companies,and good neighbors. We got a lot of support from Republicans and Democrats alike, but some of that support left Springfield with legislators who lost in the November elections. A lot of what is in the bill is copied directly from other states' laws. Some of it is peculiar to Illinois. Regardless of where the language comes from, it's bad for Illinois, not just gun-owners or the firearms industry. Part of what we tried to point out has been the significant economic impact that a ban would have on all of Illinois. As an industry, we all commited to leaving the state if a ban goes through...and that is still the plan of every Illinois manufacturer that I know of. I'm sure that there will also be dealers and distributors who leave as well...but that appears to be one of the desired poliical ends of those engineering the ban. The side effect (that we pointed out but that those pushing the ban don't really want to hear) is the tremendous economic impact outside of the direct "gun industry". There are significant machine shops in Illinois that make parts used throughout the industry, including for manufacturers outside the state. There are the smaller machine shops used as sub-contractors by the industry in Illinois. They're all somewhat firearms related. But what about the businesses that count on the industry's business that have nothing to do with firearms manufacturing or possession? The gas station down the road where we fill up the company trucks, buy munchies at break and lunch? The doughnut shop where we get a few dozen for meetings? The car dealerships where we by both company and personal vehicles? How about the local UPS and trucking hubs? How about the print shops that do boxes, manuals, promotional materials, etc...? The guys who plows our lot on snowy days like today? The local building trades who get the call anytime one of the companies in our industry expends its operations,needs more space, etc...? The local law enforcement agencies and departments who have been beneficiaries of our products, services, training capabilities, etc...? How about city and county governments? Loss of tax revenues will have significant impacts on them. In this area, in a couple of communities, firearms manufacturers are the largest employers, either singly or collectively. The big problem is that we all survived, even thrived, during the federal AWB, and the folks pushing the ban don't understand (or possibly don't want to understand) the difference between it (the AWB) and what they are pushing through now. We cannot stay in business in Illinois if the ban passes...whether that is this year, or the next, or the next. If we, as an industry, have to leave Illinois, the jobs go with us. If we can find suitable locations in nearby states, most emplyees, but unfortunately not all, will be able to stay with us. They can live (albeit without their guns) in the same homes, their kids can go to the same schools, their spouses keep the same jobs, etc...But for those who can't make even a nearby move, or if we have to go further afield, there are all sorts of stresses placed on them and their families. On the bright side, if/when Illinois tells us they don't want us, there are plenty of states that do. We constantly get offers of assistance from all over the country (okay, not everywhere) that would love to have an influx of decently paying manufacturing jobs and everything else that goes with them. Housing sales. Associated business revenues. Infusion of capital. Everything else that Illinois seems so willing to give up. Sorry if ths sounds like a rant. We've done everything we can to communicate the point to whomever will listen, and even those who won't. It's very frustrating for everyone in our industry in Illinois and for many of our in-state and out-of-state friends; vendors and customers alike. Steve/Rock River Arms US Military Contractor, and small arms supplier.

Yep because nobody would use a knife

This proposed law is so fucked it is rediculous and yetthe media is in love with it. Herr Daley must be in heaven BTW there is NO GRANDFATHER CLAUSE

95TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY State of Illinois 2007 and 2008HB0873 Introduced 2/7/2007, by Rep. Edward J. Acevedo SYNOPSIS AS INTRODUCED: 720 ILCS 5/24-1.8 new 720 ILCS 5/24-1.9 new Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Provides that 90 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act, it is unlawful for any person within this State to knowingly manufacture, deliver, sell, purchase, or possess or cause to be manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed a semi-automatic assault weapon, an assault weapon attachment, any .50 caliber rifle, or .50 caliber cartridge. Provides that beginning 90 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act, it is unlawful for any person within this State to knowingly manufacture, deliver, sell, purchase, or possess or cause to be manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed a large capacity ammunition feeding device. Provides that these provisions do not apply to a person who possessed a prohibited weapon, device, or attachment before the effective date of this amendatory Act if the person has provided proof of ownership to the Department of State Police within 90 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act. Provides that on or after the effective date of this amendatory Act, such person may transfer such device only to an heir, an individual residing in another state maintaining that device in another state, or a dealer licensed as a federal firearms dealer. Specifies penalties for violations. Provides exemptions. Provides that the provisions of the Act are severable. Effective immediately. LRB095 04526 RLC 24579 b CORRECTIONAL BUDGET AND IMPACT NOTE ACT MAY APPLY FISCAL NOTE ACT MAY APPLY A BILL FOR HB0873 LRB095 04526 RLC 24579 b 1 AN ACT concerning criminal law. 2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, 3 represented in the General Assembly: 4 Section 5. The Criminal Code of 1961 is amended by adding 5 Sections 24-1.8 and 24-1.9 as follows: 6 (720 ILCS 5/24-1.8 new) 7 Sec. 24-1.8. Manufacture, possession, delivery, sale, and 8 purchase of semi-automatic assault weapons, assault weapon 9 attachments, .50 caliber rifles, and .50 caliber cartridges. 10 (a) Definitions. In this Section: 11 (1) "Semi-automatic assault weapon" means: 12 (A) any of the firearms or types, replicas, or 13 duplicates in any caliber of the firearms, known as: 14 (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies 15 Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models); 16 (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries 17 UZI and Galil; 18 (iii) Beretta AR-70 (SC-70); 19 (iv) Colt AR-15; 20 (v) Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and 21 FNC; 22 (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12; 23 (vii) Steyr AUG; HB0873 - 2 - LRB095 04526 RLC 24579 b 1 2 (viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, and TEC-22; 3 and 4 (ix) any shotgun which contains its ammunition 5 in a revolving cylinder, such as (but not limited 6 to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12; 7 (B) a semi-automatic rifle that has an ability to 8 accept a detachable magazine and has any of the 9 following: 10 (i) a folding or telescoping stock; 11 (ii) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock; 12 (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or 13 partially or completely encircles the barrel, and 14 that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with 15 the non-trigger hand without being burned; or 16 (iv) a fixed magazine that has the capacity to 17 accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition; 18 (C) a semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to 19 accept a detachable magazine and has any of the 20 following: 21 (i) a folding, telescoping, or thumbhole 22 stock; 23 (ii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially 24 or completely encircles the barrel, and that 25 permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the 26 non-trigger hand without being burned; HB0873 - 3 - LRB095 04526 RLC 24579 b 1 (iii) an ammunition magazine that attaches to 2 the pistol outside of the pistol grip; 3 (iv) a fixed magazine that has the capacity to 4 accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition; 5 (v) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more 6 when the pistol is unloaded; or 7 (vi) a semi-automatic version of an automatic 8 firearm; 9 (D) a semi-automatic shotgun that has any of the 10 following: 11 (i) a folding or telescoping stock; 12 (ii) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock; 13 (iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 14 rounds; or 15 (iv) an ability to accept a detachable 16 magazine. "Semi-automatic assault weapon" does not 17 include: 18 (A) any firearm that: 19 (i) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, 20 or slide action; 21 (ii) is an "unserviceable firearm" or has been 22 made permanently inoperable; or 23 (iii) is an antique firearm; 24 (B) any air rifle as defined in Section 1 of the 25 Air Rifle Act. 26 (2) "Assault weapon attachment" means any device HB0873 - 4 - LRB095 04526 RLC 24579 b 1 capable of being attached to a firearm that is specifically 2 designed for making or converting a firearm into any of the 3 firearms listed in paragraph (1) of subsection (a) of this 4 Section. 5 (3) "Antique firearm" has the meaning ascribed to it in 6 18 U.S.C. Section 921 (a)(16). 7 (4) ".50 caliber rifle" means a centerfire rifle 8 capable of firing a .50 caliber cartridge. The term does 9 not include any antique firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C. 10 Section 921 (a)(16), any shotgun including a shotgun that 11 has a rifle barrel, or a muzzle-loader used for "black 12 powder" hunting or battle re-enactments. 13 (5) ".50 caliber cartridge" means a cartridge in .50 14 BMG caliber, either by designation or actual measurement, 15 that is capable of being fired from a centerfire rifle. The 16 term ".50 caliber cartridge" does not include any 17 memorabilia or display item that is filled with a permanent 18 inert substance or that is otherwise permanently altered in 19 a manner that prevents ready modification for use as live 20 ammunition or shotgun ammunition with a caliber 21 measurement that is equal to or greater than .50 caliber. 22 (b) Except as provided in subsections (c) and (d), 90 days 23 after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 95th 24 General Assembly, it is unlawful for any person within this 25 State to knowingly manufacture, deliver, sell, purchase, or 26 possess or cause to be manufactured, delivered, sold, HB0873 - 5 - LRB095 04526 RLC 24579 b 1 purchased, or possessed, a semi-automatic assault weapon, an 2 assault weapon attachment, any .50 caliber rifle, or .50 3 caliber cartridge. 4 (c) This Section does not apply to a person who possessed a 5 weapon or attachment prohibited by subsection (b) before the 6 effective date of this amendatory Act of the 95th General 7 Assembly, provided that the person has provided proof of 8 ownership to the Department of State Police within 90 days 9 after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 95th 10 General Assembly as required by law. On or after the effective 11 date of this amendatory Act of the 95th General Assembly, such 12 person may transfer such weapon or attachment only to an heir, 13 an individual residing in another state maintaining that weapon 14 in another state, or a dealer licensed as a federal firearms 15 dealer under Section 923 of the federal Gun Control Act of 16 1968. 17 (d) This Section does not apply to or affect any of the 18 following: 19 (1) Peace officers as defined in Section 2-13 of this 20 Code and retired peace officers not otherwise prohibited 21 from receiving a firearm, in possession of a semi-automatic 22 assault weapon, assault weapon attachment, or .50 caliber 23 rifle transferred to the retired peace officer by his or 24 her law enforcement agency upon retirement. 25 (2) Wardens, superintendents, and keepers of prisons, 26 penitentiaries, jails, and other institutions for the HB0873 - 6 - LRB095 04526 RLC 24579 b 1 detention of persons accused or convicted of an offense. 2 (3) Members of the Armed Services or Reserve Forces of 3 the United States or the Illinois National Guard, while in 4 the performance of their official duties or while traveling 5 to or from their place of duty. 6 (4) Manufacture, transportation, or sale of weapons, 7 attachments, or ammunition to persons authorized under 8 subdivisions (1) through (3) of this subsection to possess 9 those items. 10 (5) Possession of a semi-automatic assault weapon, an 11 assault weapon attachment, a .50 caliber rifle, or a .50 12 caliber cartridge at events taking place at the World 13 Shooting and Recreational Complex at Sparta, only while 14 engaged in the legal use of the firearm or attachment, or 15 while traveling to or from this location if the items are 16 broken down in a non-functioning state, or are not 17 immediately accessible, or are unloaded and enclosed in a 18 case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other 19 container. 20 (6) Possession of any firearm if that firearm is 21 sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by 22 USA Shooting, the national governing body for 23 international shooting competition in the United States, 24 but only when the firearm is in the actual possession of an 25 Olympic target shooting competitor or target shooting 26 coach for the purpose of storage, transporting to and from HB0873 - 7 - LRB095 04526 RLC 24579 b 1 Olympic target shooting practice or events if the firearm 2 is broken down in a non-functioning state, is not 3 immediately accessible, or is unloaded and enclosed in a 4 case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other 5 container, and when the Olympic target shooting competitor 6 or target shooting coach is engaging in those practices or 7 events. For the purposes of this paragraph (6), "firearm" 8 is defined in Section 1.1 of the Firearm Owners 9 Identification Card Act. 10 (7) Possession of a semi-automatic assault weapon, an 11 assault weapon attachment, a .50 caliber rifle, or a .50 12 caliber cartridge only for a hunting use expressly 13 permitted under the Wildlife Code, or while traveling to or 14 from a location authorized for such hunting use under the 15 Wildlife Code if the items are broken down in a 16 non-functioning state, or are not immediately accessible, 17 or are unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying 18 box, shipping box, or other container. 19 (8) Manufacture, transportation, possession, sale, or 20 rental of blank-firing semi-automatic assault weapons and 21 .50 caliber rifles or the weapons respective attachments to 22 persons authorized or permitted, or both authorized and 23 permitted to acquire and possess such weapons for the 24 purposes of rental for use solely as props for a motion 25 picture, television, or video production or entertainment 26 event. HB0873 - 8 - LRB095 04526 RLC 24579 b 1 (e) Sentence. 2 (1) A person who knowingly manufactures, delivers, 3 sells, purchases, or possesses or causes to be 4 manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed a 5 semi-automatic assault weapon in violation of this Section 6 commits a Class 3 felony for a first violation and a Class 7 2 felony for a second or subsequent violation or for the 8 possession or delivery of 2 or more of these weapons at the 9 same time. 10 (2) A person who knowingly manufactures, delivers, 11 sells, purchases, or possesses or causes to be 12 manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed in 13 violation of this Section an assault weapon attachment 14 commits a Class 4 felony for a first violation and a Class 15 3 felony for a second or subsequent violation. 16 (3) A person who knowingly manufactures, delivers, 17 sells, purchases, or possesses or causes to be 18 manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed in 19 violation of this Section a .50 caliber rifle commits a 20 Class 3 felony for a first violation and a Class 2 felony 21 for a second or subsequent violation or for the possession 22 or delivery of 2 or more of these weapons at the same time. 23 (4) A person who knowingly manufactures, delivers, 24 sells, purchases, or possesses or causes to be 25 manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed in 26 violation of this Section a .50 caliber cartridge commits a HB0873 - 9 - LRB095 04526 RLC 24579 b 1 Class A misdemeanor. 2 (720 ILCS 5/24-1.9 new) 3 Sec. 24-1.9. Manufacture, possession, delivery, sale, and 4 purchase of large capacity ammunition feeding devices. 5 (a) As used in this Section: 6 "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means: 7 (1) a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar 8 device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily 9 restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of 10 ammunition; or 11 (2) any combination of parts from which a device 12 described in paragraph (1) can be assembled. 13 "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" does not 14 include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and 15 capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition 16 or any device that has been made permanently inoperable. 17 (b) Except as provided in subsections (c) and (d), it is 18 unlawful for any person within this State, beginning 90 days 19 after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 95th 20 General Assembly, to knowingly manufacture, deliver, sell, 21 purchase, or possess or cause to be manufactured, delivered, 22 sold, purchased, or possessed, a large capacity ammunition 23 feeding device. 24 (c) This Section does not apply to a person who possessed a 25 device prohibited by subsection (b) before the effective date HB0873 - 10 - LRB095 04526 RLC 24579 b 1 of this amendatory Act of the 95th General Assembly, provided 2 that the person has provided proof of ownership to the 3 Department of State Police within 90 days after the effective 4 date of this amendatory Act of the 95th General Assembly as 5 required by law. On or after the effective date of this 6 amendatory Act of the 95th General Assembly, such person may 7 transfer such device only to an heir, an individual residing in 8 another state maintaining that device in another state, or a 9 dealer licensed as a federal firearms dealer under Section 923 10 of the federal Gun Control Act of 1968. 11 (d) This Section does not apply to or affect any of the 12 following: 13 (1) Peace officers as defined in Section 2-13 of this 14 Code and retired peace officers not otherwise prohibited 15 from receiving a firearm, in possession of a large capacity 16 ammunition feeding device transferred to the retired peace 17 officer by his or her law enforcement agency upon 18 retirement. 19 (2) Wardens, superintendents, and keepers of prisons, 20 penitentiaries, jails, and other institutions for the 21 detention of persons accused or convicted of an offense. 22 (3) Members of the Armed Services or Reserve Forces of 23 the United States or the Illinois National Guard, while in 24 the performance of their official duties or while traveling 25 to or from their place of duty. 26 (4) Manufacture, transportation, or sale of large HB0873 - 11 - LRB095 04526 RLC 24579 b 1 capacity ammunition feeding devices to persons authorized 2 under subdivisions (1) through (3) of this subsection to 3 possess those items. 4 (5) Possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding 5 device at events taking place at the World Shooting and 6 Recreational Complex at Sparta, only while engaged in the 7 legal use of the device, or while traveling to or from this 8 location if the items are broken down in a non-functioning 9 state, or are not immediately accessible, or are unloaded 10 and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, 11 or other container. 12 (6) Possession of any large capacity ammunition 13 feeding device if that large capacity ammunition feeding 14 device is sanctioned by the International Olympic 15 Committee and by USA Shooting, the national governing body 16 for international shooting competition in the United 17 States, but only when the large capacity ammunition feeding 18 device is in the actual possession of an Olympic target 19 shooting competitor or target shooting coach for the 20 purpose of storage, transporting to and from Olympic target 21 shooting practice or events if the device is broken down in 22 a non-functioning state, is not immediately accessible, or 23 is unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, 24 shipping box, or other container, and when the Olympic 25 target shooting competitor or target shooting coach is 26 engaging in those practices or events. HB0873 - 12 - LRB095 04526 RLC 24579 b 1 (7) Possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding 2 device only for a hunting use expressly permitted under the 3 Wildlife Code, or while traveling to or from a location 4 authorized for such hunting use under the Wildlife Code if 5 the items are broken down in a non-functioning state, or 6 are not immediately accessible, or are unloaded and 7 enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or 8 other container. 9 (e) Sentence. A person who knowingly manufactures, 10 delivers, sells, purchases, or possesses or causes to be 11 manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed in 12 violation of this Section a large capacity ammunition feeding 13 device capable of holding more than 17 rounds of ammunition 14 commits a Class 3 felony for a first violation and a Class 2 15 felony for a second or subsequent violation or for possession 16 or delivery of 2 or more of these devices at the same time. A 17 person who knowingly manufactures, delivers, sells, purchases, 18 or possesses or causes to be manufactured, delivered, sold, 19 purchased, or possessed in violation of this Section a large 20 capacity ammunition feeding device capable of holding more than 21 10 rounds but not more than 17 rounds of ammunition commits a 22 Class 4 felony for a first violation and a Class 3 felony for a 23 second or subsequent violation or for possession or delivery of 24 more than one of these devices at the same time. 25 Section 97. Severability. The provisions of this Act are HB0873 - 13 - LRB095 04526 RLC 24579 b 1 severable under Section 1.31 of the Statute on Statutes. 2 Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon 3 becoming law.

Ok

The neighbors are only pissed that they weren't invited over for a shackling and fisting.

He sent them to Narci as well!!!

Dude I never assumed you were poor nor wealthy. Other people finances are none of my business.

Pelosi can use a janitorial quality push broom It is wide bodied and will seat three accross Or half of Hillary's ass!

Lots of people watch CNN, it is best to keep an eye on the ultra liberal left. Besides it is fun seeing the news distorted anyways.

What tax increase? If you don't agree with me, I must be wealthy is that it?

I'll bet you in a country where guns aren't allowed, I can buy one if I have enough cash.

Wealth redistribution = Communism Welcome Komrade!!!

Iran Leader Softens His Tone on Iraq Monday, February 12, 2007 6:24 PM EST The Associated Press By ALI AKBAR DAREINI TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran's hard-line president, who has berated the United States and refused to compromise on his nuclear program, is now softening his tone, saying Monday he wants dialogue rather than confrontation in Iraq. Tehran also denied it gave sophisticated weapons to militants to attack U.S. forces. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad insisted that turmoil in Iraq is bad for his country and dialogue — not force — was the solution to the region's conflicts. "We shy away from any kind of conflict, any kind of bloodshed," Ahmadinejad told ABC's "Good Morning America." "As we have said repeatedly, we think that the world problems can be solved through dialogue, through the use of logic and a sense of friendship. There is no need for the use of force." Known for his inflammatory anti-Western rhetoric, Ahmadinejad in recent weeks has taken a milder approach to diplomacy. The change in tone comes at a time when domestic criticism of the controversial leader has increased, with both reformers and fellow conservatives complaining that Ahmadinejad spends too much time criticizing the United States and Israel, and not enough on internal issues such as Iran's struggling economy. At the same time, the U.S. appears to be hardening its accusations against Iran, including claims that the highest levels of the Iranian leadership armed Shiites in Iraq with sophisticated armor-piercing roadside bombs that have killed more than 170 troops from the U.S.-led coalition. Iran on Monday staunchly denied the accusations, comparing them to Washington's allegations before the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq that Saddam Hussein's regime possessed weapons of mass destruction. No such weapons were ever found. "Such accusations cannot be relied upon or be presented as evidence. The United States has a long history in fabricating evidence. Such charges are unacceptable," Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini said in Tehran. The White House on Monday did not back down from its allegations, saying it was confident the report about the weapons flow from Iran to Iraq was accurate. "This is providing — presenting evidence to the effect that there's been the shipment of weaponry, lethal weaponry into Iraq, some of it of Iranian providence," White House spokesman Tony Snow said. "And this is something that we think if the president of Iran wants to put a stop to it, we wish him luck and hope he'll do it real soon." But Ahmadinejad dismissed the allegations as "pieces of paper" that don't prove the claims, emphasizing instead that Iran's security was dependent on Iraq's stability. "Our position regarding Iraq is very clear. We are asking for peace. We're asking for security. And we will be sad to see people get killed, no matter who they are," he said. Ahmadinejad, who was elected more than a year ago, has focused much of his diplomacy on verbally attacking the U.S. and Israel. In December, he hosted a conference that questioned whether the Nazi Holocaust took place and has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map." Despite drawing world attention, his hard-line tactics have not boosted his popularity at home. Ahmadinejad suffered an embarrassing blow in December's municipal elections, which were widely seen as a referendum on his support. At the same time, newspaper editorials urging him to cool down and focus on issues closer to home began popping up. In what may have been one of his biggest steps backward, Ahmadinejad this week refrained from making a widely anticipated announcement Sunday about Iran's contentious nuclear program that was sure to have provoked the U.S. and its allies who allege Tehran is secretly developing atomic weapons. Ahmadinejad had hinted he was going to announce on the 28th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution that saw hard-line clerics take power in Iran that his country had begun installing 3,000 centrifuges at its nuclear plant at Natanz — a move widely seen as a defiant gesture to international community, which has demanded Iran suspend uranium enrichment. Iran insists its program is for peaceful purposes. But during the ceremonies Sunday, Ahmadinejad never mentioned the centrifuges. And although he vowed not to give up enrichment, he said his country was prepared to talk. The change in tone comes as the U.N. Security Council threatens to slap steeper sanctions on Iran over its refusal to suspend enrichment, a potential pathway to developing nuclear arms. The Security Council first agreed two months ago to impose limited sanctions on Iran. The United States and Iran have regarded each other with distrust and suspicion since the 1979 takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran by militant students. Recent suggestions for the two countries to talk have been dismissed on both sides. The White House recently authorized U.S. troops in Iraq to kill or capture Iranian agents deemed to be a threat. Earlier this month, gunmen wearing Iraqi army uniforms seized an Iranian diplomat as he drove through central Baghdad. That incident came nearly a month after the U.S. detained five Iranians in northern Iraq. In December, two diplomats were released to Iranian officials after being detained for more than a week. When asked Monday about the detentions, Ahmadinejad said arresting people without charging them is not the solution. "I think this was childish of the U.S. government to do something like arresting defenseless people, not allowing them to talk to anyone," he told ABC. "This is not a solution to the problem. The solution is somewhere else."

QuoteAn "Eye for an Eye" will leave everybody blind! Thank God for societies more advanced than the US; let's talk again in about, shall we say, 2,000 years. Should give the Americans enough time to catch up w/ their European or Arab counterparts. Edited to add: Suffice it to say that per the German Supreme Court, an unlimited time of punishment is unconstitutional and in violation of HUMAN RIGHTS (a concept possibly unfamiliar to the US). Hence, a life-sentence in Germany now translates to 15 yrs, and a life-sentence w/ aggravated circumstances is 25 yrs. Quote Well then I guess she must be fully rehabilitated and ready to rejoin society. Care to have her live near you? if life in germany is 15 years no problema last time I checked 15yrs x 5 = 75yrs Oh and I did live in germany back when those animals ran loose

PARENTS DON'T RAISE CHILDREN, A VILLAGE DOES. This is how village idiots are created.