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brilliant! my team is just starting on blocks so it's "extra pertinent" can't you do them every 6 months rather?! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Were you looking down at him? That would have made you de-arch a bit and fall slower... tight jump suit helps, and weights may too - when I had your jump numbers i was a real "floater" and when I started jumping 4-way I needed a full weight belt, but as i have relaxed into my arch i have gradually dropped the weights to the point where i don't use them at all in 4-way anymore (and i have some fast fallers on my team!) So, improving body position will help too. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

well, i dunno about logistics of that back then but it did remind me of Jo saying which always sounded a bit odd to me... but if Weber was the one on the ground and someone else actually jumped...? (Seeing as so far there does not seem to be a shred of evidence that Weber had ever jumped out a plane in his life) Though if 2 people split the money it make it even more strange that other than that in the river, none of the cash was ever found. Oh, I'm getting a bit lost in speculation here But I do firmly believe that there is a poster in this thread (not Jo) who is a lot closer to this whole episode than most people think... Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I don't want to be part of all this finger pointing but to repeat an earlier question that went unanswered: Jo, in your first post you said you had done everything for the FBI but put Duane in a parachute. Have you yet managed to uncover any evidence that Duane knew how to skydive? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Jo, Bozo makes a very good point when he says... In your very first post, you said: 333 posts and nearly a year later, despite all the help you say you have got from the people here, that still hasn't been done. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

awesome stuff!!! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

No, we definitely exist

heh - i broke both my ankles (at the same time). my very first thought was "so soon?" (i had always known the chances of breaking an ankle to be pretty high) and then immediately "f*ck, that was so stupid, i'm so embarrassed". The next few hours were more centred around not freaking my family out, persuading the hospital staff not to cut my jumpsuit and that it really didn't hurt and i didn't want painkillers (must have been the adrenaline cos it hurt like hell for the next month or two). Following surgery i went through the whole "should i jump again" thing... had a chat with someone who had witnessed everything & figured out exactly what went wrong... and went through it all in my head but it really didn't take me that long to decide i wasn't going to quit. I was off for 6 months, and when i got back - expecting to be terrified and go unstable and half expecting to break my ankle again on landing - my recurrency jump was textbook, from a perfectly stable exit to a soft stand up landing. I do believe you are right - this is very much a mental thing. But you sound like you are getting on the right side of that one Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I'm not convinced that's true... i think door fear is so prevalent because "the door" represents the point of no return in a jump. But my pop-pyschology aside, this fear is very common... and the only way to get through it is to keep jumping. I'm sure you've been given the advice of taking deep slow breaths on jump run to calm you down - it really does help. Then one day you'll just realise it doesn't terrify you anymore, and not long after you'll realise that you're actually impatient for that door to open and get in it

Hm, where i did SL, we had bats on our first jump and then we were on our own from the 2nd one! Nothing like that to focus the mind Probably helped that it was a huge DZ with very soft ground, but I am not aware of many incidents at all with low jump # students there (certainly none that i saw in my time there) My current DZ assists students for their first few jumps, but then the LZ is a lot smaller. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Would you be looking for statistics on students at comparable jump numbers? The comparison would be somewhat meaningless otherwise. At that stage there is a huge difference between jump #1 and jump #10, for example. It's "conventional wisdom" that static line students (similar to I-A-whatever i guess) are "better" at canopy control at first (because it's pretty much all they have to focus on at first) but i'm pretty sure after a certain number of jumps it all comes out in the wash. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Hi Pierre, yes static line progression is an option in SA, AFAIK most clubs offer it (though I know of one that has now switched to AFF progression only). Plenty of static line babies around Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I know very little about the US legal system: is "negligent homicide" classed as a civil matter? In the Oregon case, Ted Mayfield—a sky-dive operator implicated in the death of thirteen parachutists in twenty-two years—pled guilty to negligent homicide after supplying a client with a backup parachute device that he knew was defective. He received a sentence of five months in jail, plus three years’ probation. The court also required him to pay $5,675 in restitution and to refrain from any future involvement with skydiving. I haven't read the whole tortuous legal document (http://lawweb.colorado.edu/profiles/pubpdfs/ramsey/Hastings.pdf , above quote taken from p36) but it seems from a skim-read that this was a "criminal sanction". Jo - re your question about dates - I am assuming May 1995 from this footnote in the above: See Man Gets Jail in Sky-Diving Deaths, PORTLAND OREGONIAN, May 19, 1995, at B4,available at 1995 WL 3601458. Article does not seem to be on the net but I guess someone who knows what that reference means should be able to track it down. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Who "really" killed President Kennedy ? Which really is it....Taste Great or Less Filling. ?? Where are all of those Kruger Rands? Lots of Kruger Rands down here but I don't know if they are those kruger rands... btw, how do you "inadvertantly" teach someone to skydive Hey Jo... let us know how it goes if you contact Mayfield and he talks to you! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Congrats Jigs I am so glad you've found an instruction method that works for you! This - is so different to those old posts! Keep us updated on the progress! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I was told never to give up .... they said what would you do if you didn't find your real PC ? I said try again . Um.. if you don't find your real PC you have EPs, and a reserve. You are not meant to keep trying to find your real PC till you hit the ground. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

And we, on the other hand, were specifically taught NOT to look ... which is, I guess, an example of why there are all these "talk to your instructor" comments here. and re yoink: To us, it was emphasised that we were practising for a first freefall and that it had to be done correctly on the count for a 3-second delay, and not to rush it sooner. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Hm, did you skydive in 3rd grade too? If skdyiving is so safe why don't we put kids out solo...?? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Well, when you say safer are you talking about broken ribs or the possibility of dying? I've been thrown from a horse before (nothing broken) and I've broken bones in skydiving. So what? There are so many variables involved. Does an inexperienced rider on a highly strung racehorse compare to a 70 jump wonder at a 1.5 WL? Is a horse who kicks you in the jaw comparable to an elliptical with a spinning mal? You may not have noticed that while a horse is high off the ground, if you fall off you don't reach terminal velocity by the time you hit Sure you can break bones horseriding, and you can even die if really unlucky, but there is no way you can convince me that skydiving is safer. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I have really bad eyesight (laughed at the other "bad" one) and find that glasses just don't give me the vision contacts do. I wear Acuvue 2 and have successfully jumped with both goggles (the cheap ones, tight, for about 70 jumps) and a Z1 (for about 40 jumps and 2hrs in the tunnel) and have had no problems yet. But I always make sure I have a pare pair of lenses with me at the DZ. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I'm beginning to think there should be a sticky with "do a search for most popular topics" , off the top of my head these being the AFF vs SL debate and the exit order debate. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Maybe in the UK it is. My "certificate" clearly states that I have an "FAI Equivalent A license". Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Not at a DZ I work at. t hm,i've seen a student permanently grounded throughout the country after doing something stupid enough that her intact survival was a miracle. Did you speak to him after the incident - in particular to find out why he fired his reserve before cutting away? As I recall when i did my first freefall, a couple of years ago, at that stage you have one and only one EP in your head, and that involves cutting away before deploying reserve. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

yup, pretty much my attitude. my set routine isn't about doing things for luck but to check that everything is as it should be. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

ok so then you don't actually disagree with L.O. who said: Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.