Orange1

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Orange and all, I only know what I am told and I am repeating what I was told. I have a copy of the notarized statement the night clerk provided to the Portland FBI office. Carr did wks later call the night clerk only after I commented he had NOT acknowledged the notarized statement nor mentioned this witness going into the Portland Office or to this forum. As for Slander - I can prove what I have said about the Night Clerk and the FBI knows this. I can also Prove another agent lied to me in 2000. You forget the times he chastized me - in this forum. Remember he promised to send me the files and claimed he thought I already had them - hence he made the criminal record (limited) available in this forum. Remember all of the other statements he made that were only his ideas or opinions and not the facts of the case? Would you just call those his impressions or that he lied about these things? What you said indicates our government can say and do whatever they want (which they do over and over). It also indicates that I as a citizen have no rights (what rights we have are slowly being taken away). To believe our government and it employees have never lied to the pubic equates with believing in Fairy Tales. Do you know how many government officials thru out the US as of these last few yrs have gone to prison for mulitple crimes involving fraud, theft, violations of rules and regulations, felony, grand theft, misuse of their government position, falsification of documents, etc? The list is endless and more and more officials are being added to the enormous list daily. The people of America are saying "No More - this has to stop" . We have to be able to trust our elected officials and government employees - but, that is not the case anymore. Dirty politics and greed dictate now. They usually go for yrs before they are caught and then their penalties are less than it would be if a regular citizen had commited the same crime in a private or non-government entity. So off subject again - Right! Your mention of Slander gave me reason to stand up for MY RIGHTS. Jo, you can diatribe all you want about the governmnent, but you specifically stated Larry Carr lied. That's not the same thing. He's not "another agent in 2000". And chastising you is not the same as lying. As for the "chastising", if i read back I am still amazed at the patience and courtesy Carr showed you despite the way you continually crapped all over him. In fact I don't remember him chastising you. Perhaps you regard the fact that he proved you wrong on certain issues as being "chastised"? You claim you can prove something about someone not many of us believe has told you the truth. You are aware people lie in notarized statements when it suits them too - particularly if there are unlikely to be repercussions. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

It might already be slander technically, but what damages could Carr prove he has suffered as a result? If the slanderer has minimal credibility among the audience to which the slander was directed, then the damages are arguably "de minimus" i.e. essentially nothing. Jo needn't lose sleep over any possible slander suits. 377 gotcha! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Coincidences happen all the time. Look how many times I (or Snow) has picked up a South African connection to stuff we have talked about on the forum. Hmm..maybe that's not just coincidence! Hey..maybe Cooper was South African! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I thought Carr said they took the interview over the phone? I don't recall anything about the clerk showing up at the office. I am also wondering if someone can keep on accusing (repeatedly and in a public forum) a federal employee of lying about doing their job,, without repercussions when the person has no first hand (if any) knowledge that said employee is actually lying. When does this become slander? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

??? I don't see what you mean georger. What do you think it means about the FBI? That they interviewed some enlisted military that were airborne qualified? Rex even said he didn't take HALO training. And his age was wrong. We have no idea how many people they interviewed. Perhaps they weren't narrow-minded enough to cut off the search based on strict criteria, for example, we have already discussed how some people can look a good few years older (or younger) than they really are. I agree that it shows more that the FBI were doing their job, than that they weren't. Jump shoes in the 60s - from what i understand largely boots (like in paragliding's earlier days as well). From what I understand, mainly for ankle protection on PLFs. 377 - re HAHO - what can i say, but, . Envious as all hell here Snow, you said I agree that this most likely points to Cooper being knowledgeable about jumping. But it doesn't rule out him being a loadmaster for example - knowing about jumping and having experience are different things. (I'm not saying he was a loadmaster - just an option that could explain why he knew about the speed issue.) 377 said 377, that was in the Comores. It was a South African who took the video (Comores used to be a relatively popular destination when the main hotel was owned by a SA group. [Then they sold it to a French bunch who jacked up the prices tremendously and everyone stopped going. I believe they now hire rooms out by the hour. Just an aside.] We went in 99, and the sea is just about the clearest unpolluted water you'll find anywhere. It is a very gentle slope so fairly shallow a long way out, we took a pedalo out and went snorkelling, and could still see bits of the plane on the seabed.) Edit: as a matter of interest, a lot of people were saved, because the water was calm and it wasn't too far from the resort. A number of those who died were people who didn't listen to the safety briefing and inflated their life jackets before leaving the aircraft, as a result getting trapped inside when it started filling up. from Snow quoting Jo: Symba (or Simba) means lion in Swahili. I realise it took you guys many years and The Lion King to figure that out. But here in SA we have had a brand called Simba chips (potato crisps) for years, of course the logo is a lion More thread drift. Sorry Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Jo, the point I was making was simple. You noticed the date because it was unusual. It would presumably have been unusual for Duane to have someone else's old ticket, so if it was in another name I am guessing you would have remembered at least that fact, even if you didn't remember what the name was. Therefore, I would bet it was in Duane's name. Was it Snow who posted all that stuff about selective memory? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Horner and Homer of course can look very similar, especially when handwritten in lower case. Easy mistake. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

about Iraq but surely the type of thing common with other vets: ---What is the solution to stress disorder leading to addiction in America's fighting force? Perhaps a better understanding of just what these men and women face in combat and waiting for combat is necessary. However, that is not the only solution. Clearly, a better understanding and treatment of substance abuse is also required. Many veterans returning home from the War in Iraq note they find themselves alienated from friends and family, and have no support from the government they served. On a veteran's web site, one soldier noted the difficulties he faced when he returned home, including increased alcohol use, fights with his wife, and a growing sense of dissatisfaction with his life. " --- http://www.academon.com/lib/paper/63526.html Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Here's a take on it. If planes were damaged I guess that includes airborne then!! ---Drugs in Vietnam were limited to just opium at one point of time. The country had a long history of opium cultivation, mainly among the ethnic minorities. It was not just used as medicine but also for alleviating hunger. In the early 19th century opium from Britain started entering China and then Vietnam. Though banned in 1820, it continued to be smuggled from China. The pattern of drug abuse changed during the Vietnam War when heroin injections and smoking of opium became a serious problem. Interestingly, those who took drugs did not drink alcohol and those who drank did not indulge in drugs. It was found that deployed army members who faced war situations were more into drug and alcohol abuse. The problem was much less with the non-deployed members or those who did not face combat. Studies have suggested that the use of drugs or alcohol were more of a self-medication for the soldiers. It was a manifestation of their desire to escape or lessen their stressful existence. Many of the soldiers were far too young to buy alcohol, whereas heroin and marijuana were readily available. Drugs and drinking initially helped to reduce stress but gradually they lead to serious problems. Illicit use of drugs, heavy drinking and use of tobacco jeopardized the performance of the soldiers and put many lives at risk. Accidents occurred, planes were damaged and destroyed and personnel killed. The Armed Forces were forced to declare zero tolerance for drug abuse. Identification of narcotics users began and the process of detoxifying them began. Emphasis was given on single personnel, junior enlisted men and those with high school education or less. The Vietnam War clearly shows the influence of social circumstances on drug addiction � how taking of drugs starts and continues and how it can be stopped. The military and medical authorities were bracing for drug-related crimes after the war ended. There were thousands of discharged men addicted to drugs. Yet nothing happened. During the war there were no moral or social controls of civilian life. Drugs could be found anywhere and a majority fell prey to it. But once the war stopped and the soldiers returned home, the absence of the liberating factors forced many of the drug abusers to quit. Less than 10 per cent used drugs again. --- from http://www.articledoctor.com/drug-abuse/alcohol-and-drug-abuse-in-vietnam-2149 Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

By today's standards, sure. From much of what I have heard about back then... not sure. btw I seem to recall having read stuff about soldiers in Nam "fortifying" themselves before missions with alcohol or drugs. Cannot recall reading about it in the context of airborne though. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I thought I did - or am I getting more absentminded? Carbon Copy w/ red and black. I said Out Loud "Portand to Seattle and the date Nov 1971. Boy this is an old ticket!" My approximate words. You didn't answer the question about the names. Surely if it had been a name other than Duane's you would have wondered why he had the ticket? So most likely (if you didn't notice anything odd about the name) it was in Duane's name. Therefore it was not Dan Cooper's ticket. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

pun intended? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Yes, I see that it was in terms of you talking about "risk/reward"... i was just thinking the "risk" maybe goes a bit deeper than what it "seems" to be. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Social implications though. Your average fraudster/embezzler is likely to have a reasonably responsible white collar job and the social implications (including shame for his family etc) of being caught are probably much higher than for the average bank robber. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

The fact that the dog was buried so deep AND that it was buried in plastic tells me Duane was worried something (other dogs, wild animals, whatever) might try to dig it up. As any kid who has buried a pet a foot or two deep in a porous container might be able to tell you... Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Ah, an excellent point, Snow. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

yeah, i asked that already! cheap bad novel plot. the ticket most likely would have been the "not valid for passage" or whatever it used to say, foil at the back ... because if it was an actual valid ticket it would have been unused? (remember they used to tear the tickets out for each leg in the old days. Orange1 gets a forward flash, telling her incredulous grandchildren: "when i was young we used paper tickets...") Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

You weren't there - NO ONE wanted to go there - the smell was horrible. They reburied him - we couldn't get the ground back over him fast enough. I had to go throw up. So the smell was horrible. This is a search that has taken over your life for, what, 11 years? If I was in your position, even puking my guts out, if i thought "IT" was there I would have retrieved it. Or paid someone prepared to do so. I can only assume that you didn't really believe "IT" is actually there. I cannot believe that you would honestly let wading through something, no matter how disgusting, for a short bit be enough to stand between you and peace. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Snow, did you post this and i missed it...? Mad Mike Hoare wrote books about the Congo. http://www.amazon.com/Road-Kalamata-Mercenarys-Personal-Memoir/dp/1581606419/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b The Road to Kalamata is the real-life adventure story of the 4 Commando team of mercenary soldiers, as told by their leader, Col. Mike Hoare. ... The events recounted in this book occurred in the Congo during the Katanga campaign of 1961. http://www.amazon.com/Congo-Mercenary-Mike-Hoare/dp/1581606397/ref=pd_sim_b_1 A book in which the author, Colonel Mike Hoare, tells of his part as a mercenary in the armed rebellion in the Congo in 1964. The book is intended as an accurate account of the military response to the rebellion. http://www.amazon.com/Congo-Warriors-Mike-Hoare/dp/1581606478 Colonel Mike Hoare commanded a unit of mercenary soldiers during the armed uprising in the Congo in 1964 and 1965, which he described in detail in his previous book, Congo Mercenary. In this follow-up account of those war-torn days spent fighting the Simba rebels, Colonel Hoare focuses on the courage and ambitions, the lives and deaths of those men under his command. In an exclusive new foreword and epilogue for this Paladin reprint, which the author has described as his favorite of all the books he has written, Colonel Hoare provides an unparalleled understanding of mercenary action in Africa, the involvement of the CIA in such activities and new insight into the minds and hearts of mercenary soldiers. Congo Warriors is not to be missed by anyone interested in combat, mercenaries, warriors or Africa. And also about the Seychelles. (you can read that to see if the girl you mentioned bears any similarity to orange1 ) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Thanks Bruce. Billy had no more insights? Snow, did we ever decide if the entry into WW2 made it likely the Ted Braden we thought would have been too old, was in fact the same guy? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

thinking about it a bit further (cos thinking is a good thing to do, sometimes...) wtf would anyone bury something with a dog? either you want to get rid of it (which you do properly), or you leave it somewhere if you want people to find it. You don't act like some cliched mystery novel that gets found in the bargain bins. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

JHC, you dug up a dead dog?? I am amazed, but OK. But come on Jo- if you guys really thought there was something there that would conclusively link Duane to Cooper, you would have got rubber gloves, pegged your noses, and found it. Your story doesn't add up to me. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

The Barish Sail Wing, is that that cool looking one in the centre of one of the rows with 3 "parts" (i am at a loss for technical terms here ) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.