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Snow, was Braden obvious at the time? Was Sheridan Peterson investigated? I'm not disputing your source - just wondering who was and was not considered "obvious". Would someone have to be physically present in N America to be considered "obvious"? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

SA/Zaire is not so restrictive as to what "toys" private citizens can have. Check out Thunder City, which includes a private fleet of Mach 2+ English Electric Lightning jet fighters. http://www.thundercity.co.za/ Orange will probably be flying CAP in her own fighter. 377 ThunderCity is AWESOME. Pity they price in Euros. (or used to... maybe i should check again since the recession started ) 1969912, glad you enjoyed the movie. A number of the scenes - the one supposedly in south of france (was it Cannes, I can't recall) and one in "Colombia" for example were shot in Cape Town. (I would've watched it anyway - soft spot for Nicolas Cage!) edited to add: Zaire?? hasn't existed by that name for a few years Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Yeah, you brought Bud to Vietnam ... and now SAB owns Millers ... another SA connection for you! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

You do realise the rest of the world thinks it's something of a joke that Americans equate Starbucks with good coffee? We have Vida here. http://www.vidaecaffe.com/stores/ You can't invade us if you bring Starbucks with. Just bring the dollars, and we'll put them to good use Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I am told there are Antonovs all over Africa (not this far south though). Not all of them in good working condition... (did you guys see Lord of War, where the plane gets stripped? That happens ) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I'd agree with Snow here. The question of whether or not Cooper was a whuffo wouldn't even have arisen if he had brought his own; instead it is a subject for debate and possibly has clouded the trail along the way. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

hard to tell just from a photo and not in the flesh, but the shirt looks very good quality - look at the cuffs. possibly tailor-made? http://www.jccschools.com/staff%20pages%20middle%20school/condon/images-photos/rfk.jpg Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

There's a million pics of RFK online (this obviously excludes all the ones the CIA suppressed). The only hits i came up with re clip on ties were the ones ref the previous post about his assassination. I can't tell about the ties either, but it sure looks to me like he was a pretty decent dresser in general. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Can you provide some proof of this, Jo? You said: "He was on draped wagons in the streets with people grabbing at his tie and his cuffs and arms" If this is so surely when they grabbed his clip-on tie it would have come off??? Where are the pictures? Oh, I forgot, they have been suppressed Do you really, honestly, truly, believe that the CIA has hidden all pictures of Kennedy with a clip-on tie? You may as well try convince me that all photos were then fed to the aliens from Roswell. I repeat: twaddle. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

This is a very good point. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

lol, but no. however i was still too young to have been involved in a coup attempt in 1982 Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

oh my hat, here's something off a conspiracy theory site - but the wrong way round for Jo's theory ... apparently RFK grabbed his assassin's clip-on tie. http://www.orwelltoday.com/rfktiekiller.shtml Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

OK, here's an easy one. I can't see in the many pics if the tie is clip-on or not but we can tell something about the tie pin (called a tie clip here): now maybe Snow can do his famous digging and get a pic of said tie pin/clip/clasp, and compare it to the pics of tie plus pin on FBI website? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I'm a lot younger than you seem to think I am Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Hm, seems Denard was involved in at least 3 coups or coup attempts in Comoros, not just the one I remember! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comoros#Independence And because there always has to be a S African link, for Snow: Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I challenge you to find one!!! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

yeah i was gonna go look up the stuff, that bit about Hoare being "retired" in the Braden story I knew untrue because of the Seychelles coup attempt. I thought Hoare was involved in a Comoros coup attempt as well, but actually I think that was Colonel Bob Denard. (I've been to Comoros, but not while there was a coup attempt on. There were Safricans trapped on the island during the coup attempt.) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Jo I seriously think that you need counseling. It sounds like Duane was a pathological liar and you bought his stories hook, line and sinker. There are a huge number of men that fail to separate fantasy from reality and run around telling people that they have done or seen "unique" things to make them feel big in peoples eyes. I've worked for a man who claimed to be friends with Paul Allen (Microsoft's number 2) he pushed the lie to the point that Paul was supposed to be doing a site visit and then just didn't arrive. The sheer number of "unique" events in Duane's life should raise alarm bells. I don't know maybe you are to deep into the whole charade and subconciously are scared that you will go from dB Coopers ex-wife to simply a woman who was scammed by a lying bum - that would be difficult to deal with. I challenge you to name 2 people who are not Presidents/country leaders who have played instrumental roles in more than 1 international event. I can only think of one that is Bin Laden Can anybody tell me why on earth a KENNEDY would wear a cheap clip-on tie??? What twaddle!! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Bruce, well done on following up on Braden. Snow, I can't say for sure but Africa was probably a hotbed for mercenaries in the 60s - a lot of countries were gaining independence, or gunning for it (literally). I've mentioned Congo before as an example, and as an area where we know CIA was very active, Equatorial Guinea has also been mentioned, must have been plenty other "opportunities". Edit: just seen your follow up posts so you have some ideas. I see you even found a link to Mad Mike Hoare. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

With all due respect, Jo, if you were "naive" about these things you would not know if he actually was knowledgeable or not - spouting off about things and thinking you know the way everything works, does not make you knowledgeable. A critical ear is needed to truly judge that. I come across people like that all the time (we call them armchair economists). Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

(shakes head) 377, I admire your tenacity in asking Jo more questions... you don't really expect to get straight answers, do you? In the meantime, can someone tell me where I too can get a PhD in "Conspiracy Theories Adapted to Suit My Story While Shunning Any Actual Evidence"? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Yeah, that guy's not scared of standing in the door :) the SOG stuff is interesting..i still like the theory of a loadmaster/kicker though. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Jeez... starting to get a bit paranoid there Jo? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Canada? How old is this estate agent ? We have all assumed that Dan Cooper was a fictitious name. What if it wasn't?!! Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I thought you said the FBI had not investigated thoroughly, now you say they are too aggressive? Some might think the last bit you wrote incredibly ironic. 377 has tried so hard with you but clearly even he now sees things the same as the rest of us. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.