lilchief

I came over an idea the other day, and need your points of view on this matter. Are framegrabs from a HD camera good enough to be sold as stills to Tandemspassangers? Is it considered unethical to use framegrabs as stills? I started thinking about it since I'm considering of buying an HD within the next 2 years. But the plan is also to get a photo camera to offer stills to the customer. thanks "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

It depends on the county you'll be working in. What country is it? "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

would it be safer to use a helicopters then planes for nightjumps? "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

i.e. if you rig a canopy for stall characteristic testing, or as mentioned earlier in this thread, you pull the tail down to you. That would in my mind be not normal circumstances. Well, I'd classify this as normal circumstances since it's something you may do unintentionally. Even though this was planned, you may do the same during final if you were scared or something made you reflexes initiate hard full flare up high(possible canopy collision). Hope I cleared it out for you...

I don't recall her name, but she was on the 357 or 400 record attempt. She had a main opening at 24K during exit. Due to her full face helmet, she had some oxygen remaining in the helmet. All she did was nothing, just let the canopy fly and controll her breathing. She told this during an Skydive radio interview. By spiraling down you use muscles and therefore oxygen. The only thing she could have done better was to release the brakes to increase her rate of decent. "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

Ask Brian Germain..he did it while testing a VERY light frontriser canopy he made for him self. Nice info btw... "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

The reason I said modern canopies, is because ZP(though introduced mid 90's I think) allows the canopy to beocme a wing, and not a air-leaking wing. Also, I don't have enough info regarding the older canopies(pre -98) to draw any conclusions. But I must say, without having a degree in aero- and fluid dynamics (though it has been my hobby since I was a little kid) i find it hard to believe that if you stall your canopy, it will buckle and turn into a streamer it can't recover from. all the air will be deflected from the bottom skin towards the nose. Also, I've not yet seen a canopy stall and stay shut. They always tend to roll over to one side and therefore changing the angle so that there will always be some air going inn. here again, the crossports was designed for å reason... Even though I've seen my shear of canopies stalling no one never held it longer then 1 second max after stalling. I don't blame them since it's not recommended, specially with smaller eliptical canopies. "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

Yes that is indeed true, but I assumed that Morten here ment under normal circumstances. If you did what you explained, you're asking for trouble. But under normal fight and circumstances(the toggle input is limited to the armlength+1turn around the hand of the jumper) as most skydivers fly their canopies, I find it hard to believe that it's possible to stall modern canopies to become streamers. quade: Based on the article(which say the same as Brian Germain's "Parachute and it's Pilot") you would say that what morten describes is possible if you stall out your canopy in a toggleturn? wouldn't the g forces keep the line tension through out the turn? I could see a high speed stall on a wing if it has a bank angle for en axtensive period of time(speed and bank angle will determine when the stall occurs), but that is in my mind only feasible with an aircraft, not with a parachute. I've tried it a couple of times, and only got a carve turn out o it. "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

If somehow the nose is not catching any air it could happen. But when you stall out a canopy you pull it back, letting the cell-openings to catch air vertically , like during the opening, instead of an angle during flight. When it starts to rock to the sides you might get collapsed cells (i had the center cell collapse on me on a sabre2 190 after a stall). but there the crossports helps inflate the canopy through the other cells. With my limited exp I think it would be almost impossible on modern canopies. "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

nice mini article!

That is indeed very true, but I couldn't resist matching up everything. That is however a personal thing. Whenever I'm considering investing in something that lastest a long time is is often used, I go for "perfect", not just "good". And so I have to bleed for it, but IMO it's worth it. To you who started this post, listen to riggerrob, not me "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

I command you to buy my javelin from 94 for $5000 so i can buy more crap! But seriously, get a used one that fits you and use some of the cash you save to jump instead. Rest of the cash you save for your new rig. Nothing sucks more then buying a brand new rig you cannot afford all the options you want. Remember, the rig will be with you for several hundreds of jumps. You don't want to go around irritated that you didn't get the option(-s) you so desperatly wanted during those hundreds of jumps. New gear is cool, but not cool if you cant jump it. I ended up doing 40 jumps the year I bought my first rig(well..i also traveled twice to the US, I live in Norway, and bought acamera, rented cars to get to the DZ and shopped wuffo clothing). The essence is, try to get jumps first, then the flashy-bling-bling rig you want. That would be my advice. However, if you're capable of doing around 100 jumps in the time you're waiting for you rig and after getting it I'd say GO! Otherwise..get used, and enjoy the sky. I've attached photos of my rig that's on it's way to norway soon. It just rests at a friends home in the US before traveling over the atlantic. I've probably used $700 in just embroideries and matched my jumpsiut to the design of the rig. Also the colors of my samurai136 is black, red and white. harr-harr Bling-bling "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

Here in Norway we teach 3 rules to all students. Below 1500f they're not allowed to turn more than 180 degrees in each turn. Then at 500f when they are starting their final, they're not allowed more then 90 degrees turns. When they reach 200f, they are not allowed to turn, just make minor corrections to avoid trees and other not-so-cool-objects-to-land-on. The last rule here is mostly to prevent turnings them selves into mother earth. However, the first two rules are there to avoid cypress/FXC firing. Are they teaching the same in USPA? Three weeks ago we had a double fire while descending. the JM forgot to turn them off =) "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

Hi man! sorry for beeing slow to respond.But as i said, I don't remeber quite, but it has to with the slider. The Sabre 170 at 1,25lb/sqf was very sensitive to the slider during packing. When the canopy is over the shoulder and you're stowing the slider make sure it symetrical and will cathc as much air as possible. Experiment with pulling the slider more to the front or back, so it cathces more air either in front or tail. I'm sorry that I can't remeber it. Let mw know how it goes. Ron "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

I've demoed Both the canopies in question, and Pilot. The pilot is a nice canopy, doesn't do anything else then what you¨re telling it to do. you may train on hookturns on it, but no swooptoy as mentioned. I've jumped 210, 188, 168 and 150. The sabre2 however has plenty of flare IMO. The openings to me have been variable(on/off heading, fast/sweet opening), but overall good. I've loaded it 1,0 - 1,1 - and 1,25 ( 210,190,170). By all means, it's not a bad canopy. I only did 5 jumps on a Safire 159 at 1,3 lb/sqf. I would recommend the canopy for what it is. It's really fisty and fast, but I didn't try to swoop on it. However, think it has the same flare as the Sabre2. BUT, I've got the impressiong that Icarus sux in customer service and price them selves way high when it comes to do any service on the lines or canopy. Then again: what are your needs and where do you want to go? If it's learning how to hookturn and swoop you're after: Safire2 then sabre 2. you can go for the pilot but it'll just die on you half way on the flare. Just a canopy to enjoy: Pilot/sabre2 then safire2. go for price and delivery time. Stay safe and don't rush the Hooks. land safely first! "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

I demoed a Sabre2 170 last autum, did some 15-20 jumps on it. It didn't slam on me, but the openings where fast. I could really feel the harness in my groin during deployment my exit wheight is approx 220. I talked to people about it, and one person showed me how to pack the slider in a better way, and it worked until i forgot it on the next jump Most of the opening were on heading/max 45 degree off. But on Sabre 2 210 and 190, I've never experienced any of these problems. But as mentioned in this post, symmetrical packing is a factor to consider. I've for instance bagged the canopy more on one side in the bag several jumps until I realized that the off heading opening came from the way i bagged the canopy. To those who are looking for canopies, the sabre2 is a good canopy IMO. There are many variables that will affect flight and opening characteristics that will result in difference bewteen same type of canopy and size. "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

..tequila? I've got 2 liters of the good stuff at home just wating for the end of the final exam "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

I got some answers today

I'd like to hear opinions and comments on this issue. I'm currently jumping at a DZ in the US, and the jumpruns scares me. The pilot initiates the JR, but after some 30sec he starts to make a left turn up to 120 degrees at the most. I looked at the GPS to the pilot while I was sitting in the Co-Pilot seat and noticed that there were to dottet lines one the screen. He initiated the turn after passing the first, maybe to avoid dropping jumpers outside of the 2nd dottet line. This has led to separation problems and I had canopies not far ( < 200 ft)away from me just before I reached for the PC. Some other jumpers I'm jumping with told me they had ecperienced the same thing. I asked, quite frustrated, manifest if they could make the pilots stop doing it, but I don't know if they bother. I came up with sort of a solution to the problem. The jumper on the inside of the turn hardly separate at all and the jumper on the outside separates all he can and as hard as he can to avoid other jumpers. I tried it out and it kind of worked. However, it does not help if both groups before and after you, are not aware and spot where the other group is heading and which way the jumprun goes. And when they seperate, they do it perpendicular to the runway where the jumprun started. Or the person on the inside of the turn tracks into the center of the turn where maybe, a lot of other jumpers are I also don't know how happy the DZO will be at me if i constantly ask for 2nd passes if i'm in the middle of the aircraft. However, It might be the saftest thing to do.. Has someone experienced this and has some thought on the issue? "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

curses! I wasn't quick enough! darn..

We might be strict here in Norway, but to achieve the first instructor rating(allowing the holder of the license to jumpmaster SL students and AFF on level 8) you need to be a C license holder(requires 200 jumps and 1 hour of FF time at least and had have been a solojumper for 1 year), participated as an assistant instructor on: 3 "basic course 1 Static line" courses and 2 "basic course 2 freefall" courses In addition to this you need to be considered by the Chief instructor in the club as fit for the responsibility. Could someone fill me in on what are the requirements to achieve instructor rating at the 100 jump level, and what he/she are capable of doing? edit: I just read that you can be a coach after 100 jumps, not an instructor. Sorry about that. But does it mean that he/she can teach/instruct/jumpmaster students? "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

ah fokk it! here's to options more =D but for the poll.. 9 or 15 I think it's cool to experiment some. just look at what some wore during the 80's... "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

I'll tell you what I did when I was off student status and why, and hopefully it helps. I had enough cash and had a hard time finding a rig with a 210 canopy. After two months of searching I went for a complete new Icon with a pilot 210, cyp2 and smart. But, I ordered a container sized for a 190. Since most rigs allows one size up and down, i started at max, and now I'm useing a 170 in the same rig. It not necessarily easy to find a single canopy when it's time to downsize, it depend on the market. Most canopies are sold with a rig(then I don't know how it's in the US, I live in norway) Depending on the market, it might be wise to keep the original canopy. This way the rig might be worth more then if you sold the large canopy first, then the rig with the smallest possible canopy. Here in Norway, a 210 is rare, and therefore the market for a 210 is good. Good for me, since I kept my pilot 210 to sell it with the Icon when I'm ready for a new downsizeing. Also, when you have invested approx $5000 in a new rig, you don't have to too pay much when buying a new rig. Of course, here are variables here as well(how old and well used to old one is, tie dye, embroideries blablabla), but still, the new rig might cost you less then a used one. Since I'm keeping my rigs( the next one, I don't think I'll sell for many years), to pay some more to have it built for me and to look the way I want it to be, is what I prefer. I don't pay thousands of $ for a uglybugly rig that'll stick with me for 4-5 years. When I order my new rig, a Vector micron(with all the new stuff *drool* ), I might have to add $1000 depending on what I get for my old rig. But, I also experienced to have little money to jump for that season, and that sucked! I normally say that if you can afford 100 jumps that season and buy a new rig, go for it. But try to gain experience the first season, instead of having a new rig you can't use. Hope this example helped you some. "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

a camufalge colored canopy + cutaway = Too many hours in the woods searching. Sorry man, I just could keep it in me...harr harr "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no

Just to add: Mine flew very well, good flare. Had to do a terminal deployment with a opening i was happy with. Came in half on breaks, and started a 180 turn at approx 60ft to get in to the wind. started flare at 3/4 brakes, but it still had enough flare left. It's now tested by us stupid ones, and therefore "safer" some will say. I'm still going to go for the new reserve from pd as soon as they launch it for the market. Why? It pack smaller, giving me a 160 in a 143 container. safe? I believe so. I purchased the first complete aerodynesystem in Norway, was second to get it. I trusted the TSO system and the philosophy of the manufacturer, and I don't regret it. same reason why I'm going for the new PDR as soon as it hit's the market. It ends up with what YOU think is the best for YOU. Good luck on your choice