gowlerk

Yes, by common Canadian terminology anything west of Ontario, and even some far western parts of Ontario (in the central time zone) is generally referred to as "the west". Geographically Manitoba is mostly west of the Canadian shield and is part of the great plains. Just as immediately to our south ND and then SD are not "mid-western states", but western states. But I'm sure you know all that and probably the historical reasons as well. You are just one of those west coasters who like to think that Manitoba is not sufficiently western in culture. Usually it's Albertans who cop this attitude. I've been hearing it all my life. Whether you agree or not Manitoba is in western Canada.

So that would be 10 hours of driving time and I would guess about 650 miles for the day? That would be an acceptable but not great day for a single driver not in a hurry. When I do road trips it is with a different goal. We switch drivers and get at least 16 hours in. Our hotel stay is generally 8 hours. Got to get to the DZ ASAP and it's 1900 miles. I'm starting to realize that most people are not talking about this kind of road trip and that charging will not be as much of a problem as it would be for me.

And I hardly ever do long car trips. Yes, I bring a North American and a particularly western Canadian perspective to the question. I am pro-EV, not anti. I just think that the way to promote them is to focus on all their strengths because denying their weaknesses leaves one open to attack. Deniers of all kinds have an agenda and are not believable. People want convenience and EVs deliver that if you have a home charger. They are inconvenient on a long road trip. Which is why I would like rent an ICE for one if faced with a long EV trip on a holiday. It is a practical solution to a short term problem. As a side note many of the people I know do rent vehicles for such trips already. Usually because they want to avoid putting so much mileage on their own cars. Renting with unlimited mileage can be a great deal at times.

Where did you grow up? I’ve always had a decent life here. Summers are great. In the winter I go trucking to get away for pay. I’m semi-retired and the driver shortage means I can work when I feel like it. I’m leaving for Cincinnati Thursday.

The other option is to drive to Grand forks ND and fly Allegiant to Mesa. I did that once. Maybe you can see why I prefer to just drive.

Common sense would say no. Fill and bathroom break with gasoline is about 15 minutes. Range is usually higher and fuel is easily available. Maybe someday it will be closer, but it will never be equal. Relying on false promises is not the best way to promote EVs. They are weak on long trips and on heavy loads. They are great for running around town. There is still a long way to go to get rid of that smelly exhaust.

More anecdotal research, (google search for ev road trip) finds many first hand accounts of people's experiences. They basically all say the same thing. It can be done but it requires careful planning and it is a trying experience. And unless it is just a top up the 20 minute charge is a fantasy. The reality is broken chargers and waiting your turn. People being people they will often take up the space for longer than needed while they shop or have a meal. Very convenient if you get there first but not so much for those waiting.

That could very well be and makes sense. However that also lowers the range which of course is always quoted on the basis of a full charge. Meaning shorter but more often stops.

Westjet flies direct YWG to PHX in the winter. 737s

Unfortunately I come from a place where holidays can both start and end in January. And I dislike commercial air travel so I generally drive both ways. Eloy is therapy at times.

For an engineer your math seems to be a little on the optimistic side. Tesla claims 0.6 of an hour for a full charge on a 440v charger. Even if it was 20 minutes, 20 times 4 or 5 > 60. We all know that their claims are about as valid as ICE mileage claims. Then factor in that unless the charging stations are just the correct distance apart more stops will be needed. No one wants to risk an empty tank. Especially when running out likely means calling for a tilt deck truck to rescue you. We all live in the real world. Your boosterism risks catching up with BH's pessimism. We should all look at it a little more realistically and avoid hyperbole. More research shows 27 minutes from 10 to 80% on the best DC fast charger. Are you going to stop at 80% if you are on a long trip? That would be best for the battery but it would lower your range. Who needs the headache and the drama of planning out such a trip. I like the ev idea and in my regular day to day life the range would be just fine. If I'm planning a trip to Eloy from Winnipeg in January? I'm taking an ICE vehicle for sure.

With 300 mile range that would be 4 or 5 stops for charging. If they took 2 hours each that would pretty much add a full day to the trip. And for most people an extra night in a hotel. Most likely if I owned an EV and I had to do such a trip I would rent and ICE to do it in. It is what it is, there are disadvantages to go along the good things.

The perfesser and his wife the doc can probably just pay an electrician at the union rate to pull a permit and do the upgrade. Not everyone wants to be an annoying DIYer.

I found a new problem. Snow tires are 3K CAD with rims for a model #. Plus taxes.

How old is your house?

I've learned quite a bit in this thread that makes me even more likely to go EV.

Yup. And it's the main reason I fuel south of the border as much as possible.

The UK is getting to be quite the nanny state.

Nylon. We need more nylon.

People with 20 to 30 minutes to kill will need something to do. Business will find things for them to spend money on.

That is usually part of their argument. It is basically the same crowd looking for scapegoats.

I know people who say much the same nonsense as that about the USA.

What's even weirder is how the date of his death is calculated and celebrated. There is a strangeness overall to the holy death cult.

Early Life and Family Newton was born on January 4, 1643, in Woolsthorpe, Lincolnshire, England. Using the "old" Julian calendar, Newton's birth date is sometimes displayed as December 25, 1642. At least I know where the confusion is coming from now.

America, and Canada for that matter were not populated by refugees. They were and will be populated by "economic migrants". Starving people are highly motivated. I understand the desire to keep the gates closed from the flood but I have a real hard time with the lack of respect for the people who face this ordeal.