nate_1979

i think its more what someone else said.. if my friends cant jump there (because they have the wrong reserve) i'm gonna go where they go.. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

Waste of money, I dont consider the money I spent a waste by any means... Done 2 night jumps with it, and got some more coming possibly this month... It's all about what you want to / will do with it And you can get a coach rating with a B and 100 jumps... (which I want to do eventually) FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

Sorry, but IMO the choice of RSL or no RSL is purely a personal choice. When is the last time someone without an RSL killed or hurt someone else, and would not have done so if they had an RSL? To have an RSL or not is a personal choice that YOU, YOURSELF, do have to make. It's one of the few that doesnt impact other people. People die with them, they die without them. I choose what I did because I feel better without it. There are people in the industry and jumpers with high jump numbers that feel the same way about RSL as I do, and there is alot of them that dont.. It all comes down to what you feel is better for you in this case isnt it? I am far from someone who just goes around making choices not concerned about other people, .. I dont want to hurt anyone else as much as I dont want to hurt myself. I never said I was smarter than the industry, and dont believe that I am. It is a personal choice, and it does not affect you. This really sucks, because I dont want to come accross as someone who thinks I know more than a guy with 1800 jumps, because I dont feel that way, and I value everything that you guys have to say, but there are a few things in this sport, many of them having to do with emergency procedures and practices, that a jumper has to make his own decisions after listening to what people say and hope he / she is right. That is what I have done. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

Crazy to get your license? You'd be crazy to *NOT* do something you want to do Do a search on here for POPS (parachutist over phorty) Welcome to the sport FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

This could be a friggin ad for a SkyHook equipped Vector 3. Nothing listed wasn't fixed by it. I'm curious... if you won a free vector 3, would you have it equipped with a skyhook? Dave Yes, if I could equip my rig with skyhook I would do that too... If I was shopping for a new container, I would definately consider a rig that could have skyhook... FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

well, that's kinda hard to do... but you all can kick my ass if I have a fire due to my stupidity FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

To me, it would make more sense to ask "Would you skydive if AADs were not available?". I wouldn't jump without an AAD at present, as I believe these minimise my risk (and risk management plays a large factor in the sport). Thats my personal choice. Would I jump without an AAD if tomorrow they were deemed un-airworthy? Definetly. But thats a different question altogether. Thats my answer too

All unlikely to happen, but accidental riser release, riser breakage, one riser release during chop (all preventable I know) ... Reserve fire on back (happened to me on first mal, I had PLENTY of altitude to correct, not a big deal, but if you have time to correct why not do it?), etc. etc. If I chop, I should have enough altitude to deploy my reserve on my own.. If I dont have enough, i've already made a chain of mistakes and now I just compounded it, guess I have what happens coming to me. I had RSL for my first two, now I dont. I know someone just argued this statement earlier, but I'm gonna stick with it anyway... My cypress will only fire if I am unable to act (i.e. knocked out, paralized, dead, ....).. I promise. It is there to pull for me when I am not capable, and give me a second chance in doing so. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

and I'm aware that in the event I was low, and needed to chop, the RSL could make a big difference... Guess I just better not find myself at 1000 feet chopping, ... I've thought about that too... This is a debate that's happened many times here, I choose, for myself, that I dont want it.. I will do everything I can to be out of my main and pulling a reserve before it's too late. If I enter a situation that I can not do this, well I guess that was just my day, and I'll either be going to a better place at that point or in the hospital I really did think it through, alot.. i didnt just decide one day to take it out.. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

No RSL because I thought about it, alot, weighed the risk of not having an RSL to the risk of having an RSL (because they exist both ways) and decided that I'd rather not have one... 2 very different chops, and I had no problem carrying out my procedures. Seeing that the device can work for and against you, and I have seen twice that I would have been fine without it, my logic says that the device now has a greater chance of hurting me than helping me do something I can already do on my own... Flame away, but that's just how I see it... Just like some of you dont like AADs and I wont jump without one, it's all apart of our own little risk management thing we do.. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

But I appreciate the constructive type of picking on me That was obviously a mal that gave me lots of time to evaluate what was happening.. The canopy did open, the slider came down, ... I probably could have landed it, .. but I just didnt feel good about it, so I went with my gut instinct and got rid of it for my reserve (because I do trust it) .... I had the time, and actually *DID* clear my airspace, I knew where all the canopies anywhere near me were before I did it.. I was ready for whatever came. Some say I should have landed it, well, they can go ahead and do that.. My first mal on the other hand, had me spinning on my back at what my neptune says was about a 77mph speed to the ground... I didnt take alot of time to think about much of anything in that case, my EPs took over.. But that said, I guess I dont understand your point. As far as being a newbie, preaching some gospel of safety, ... I'm not trying to preach anything... Safety is everyones choice, how far they take safety is their choice... I've made mine, and I just stated what they were... I just dont like the talk that's been on many threads here lately saying that we are dependent, cuz I just dont see it... I've made choices some of the old dogs wont make, but I'm not dependent on anything but my own throw of the pilot chute when I want to stop falling. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

Ok, lets hit it from that angle... If I was jumping at a time that AADs were not available, I would still jump.. However, once one came out, was reliable, etc. etc. and all my reasons for *NOT* having one were narrowed down to "it's alot of money" you bet your ass I would have one.. If something comes out in the future that makes this sport safer, I will get it (assuming it's made available, I jump a mirage container so skyhook is clearly not an option) ... That said, I dont jump with an RSL, however if Skyhook became an available option to put in my container, I'd get it.. I'll keep up with advances that give me one more chance to survive, but *I WILL NEVER, EVER* count on them to work. I know I'm good as dead if I dont pull, hell, I've been in freefall MANY times over elevated ground that if I didnt pull my cypress still wouldnt save my ass, that doesnt keep me from jumping, but I'm gonna leave that plane with everything I can get that I think gives me another chance to live if the shit really hits the fan. Only thing I have to figure out is "is it gonna save my ass without putting me in undue danger at the same time" ... If it passes that statement, and I can get it, I will.... Nothing wrong, nothing NEW with wanting to live for another jump, and this does not make me dependent on a device, or even consider that this device is going to save me.. NOTHING in my EPs takes into consideration the fact that I have an AAD. If someones EPs do take that into consideration, they definately need a talking to. Now, is it reckless to jump without one? NO. Will I do it? NO. Some people think it's reckless for me to jump w/o an RSL, that's fine, let them think that.. I've weighed the risks on my own and decided to go without, so be it.. It's everyones choice, ... I know just as many old jumpers that use cypress as new jumpers too, its not just the newbies.. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

As "they" say, the altitude above you doesnt do you any good.

hmmm, mines too cold... mabey if we mix the two then we'll have "just right"? FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

Good stuff http://www.uspa.org/publications/SIM/2005SIM/section6.htm#65 FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

I really dont understand where alot of people get this idea that new jumpers *DEPEND* on devices to save their asses... I know that I for one was trained from the very beginning to pretend that those devices are not there, they are not to be relied upon, and that they may not work... Yes, you have an RSL, pull silver anyway, etc.... Just because someone decides that if they dont have an AAD (i.e. it's sent in for service) and they dont want to jump without it does *NOT* mean that they depend on it, .. It's all about ORM (operational risk management), each person has to assess their own decisisions and each person has to decide on their own what levels of risk they are willing to take. For some people (myself included), I just will not jump without an AAD, period. Does that make me a wuss, or device dependent? NO! It just means I wont jump without one, nothing more to it. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

lol FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

The rest of your life... Edited to add: sorry couldnt resist 5 seconds is good, but it wouldnt be the end of the world if you took a bit longer. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

As long as everyone knows the plan, and you have a backup for those cases where things are NOT going to go the way you want, what's the problem? You have to learn to work with people at some point, how many jumps do you recommend? I think its better to work with people in groups on your belly at 50 jumps than to be head down at 50 jumps solo like alot of people do IMO. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

Eric, there is no question on whether or not you did the right or wrong thing... You carried out "PLAN B" as we had discussed it prior to getting on the plane... We organized the jump so that there was no gray area... We planned the jump, (plan A and plan B), and jumped the plan... We both saw you, I knew where both of you were since I was the highest, and we all were safe

H&Ps are also great for those days that your ears dont wanna cooperate This sucks, I feel another ear infection coming on as I type this FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

Would you really want to wear something like that?? FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

http://www.thrillplanet.com/ I have not seen anything on this posted yet, if it already was sorry.. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

I know one of the guys (or the guy?) running the place, infact I saw him this last weekend at san diego, ... Great guy I look forward to the day I make it up near london so that I can jump there. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.

I've had a long sniveling canopy (usually 800-1000ft) ... I have had NO problems on hop-n-pops, including my exit altitude of 2000 ft.. Remember, on a H&P the canopy opens in LESS distance covered than it does on a terminal jump, it takes longer, but takes less altitude to complete opening... FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't.