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Robt 99 wrote No such thing as an NB6 canopy. Stock canopy for NB6 harness/container was a 26 ft Navy conical canopy. Very tough canopy. NB8 held a 28 ft C9, an incredibly tough canopy. A real rip stop nylon pit bull. Damned near unbreakable. My first choice for a NORJACK jump would be a C9 and perhaps it was also Coopers first choice. Watch the YouTube video of jumps from the SAT (Air America chartered) 727 over Thailand. The speed is somewhere around 180 knots by my estimate. One data point is the Beech 18 pacing the 727. It looks like a Volpar turboprop Twin Beech which could do 180 knots easily. http://northernaviation.biz/aircraft.htm The canopies don't pop open quickly. They "squid" and slow down naturally reducing opening stresses. I was surprised to see the phenomena on unsleeved unmodified C9 canopies. http://youtu.be/lrqdmXxBZjI 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote (in blue boldface) Has the "Wagon Master rescinded the order to post in RED? What is the reasoning? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Indeed Meyer. Georger also put together a very convincing post about the odds of Cooper ending up in the river. They were very low. Still, sometimes very improbable things do happen. Wouldnt that be a bitch, you pull off the crime of the century land alive with the money, but in the frigging river? I can just imagine what DBC would be thinking as he drowned. I think I could make a pressure bump on a 727 jump by bouncing on the bottom of the stairs and then make a gentle exit later that would be far less noticeable. But there's no evidence that DBC knew it could be done or did it. If you exited from the top of the stairs your moment arm (and hence stair deflection) would a lot less than from the bottom. Robert 99, do you agree? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

It's an intriguing possibilty Meyer, but I have several 727 manuals that show the aircraft in great detail. I just can't see where he could have concealed himself that could be accessed from the passenger cabin. Most of the access panels have exterior fasteners. How could you retighten them from the inside to conceal your entry? I sometimes wonder if he exited waaaay later than the pressure bump point, but there is no evidence to support this, and the T Bar money tends to contradict it. But where is his gear and his briefcase with the alleged bomb? Could his body have been found by hunters who stripped the loot and hid the remains? Could he have been shot by hunters who took the loot and hid the body? Mr. Occam tells me to stop coming up with these wild convoluted explanations. He tells me crooks rarely throw away money and that the T Bar money suggests that Cooper died. I ask Occam how the money got to T Bar and he says: "by the simplest means possible" which is no help at all. I am a bit worried about Farflung. He has gone NORDO. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I know a guy who was charged with a federal FELONY for using a backhoe to pull some old car wrecks out of a blocked salmon spawing tributary of the Idaho River that was on his property. No good deed goes unpunished. Jo, who are the VIPs to whom you are now beholden? Why do you think they have ordered you to post in boldfaced RED? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Am I the only one who thinks it's wrong for the FAA regs to make the pilot responsible for every jumper having legal gear (TSOd gear and current reserve) and making a legal jump (eg no cloud punching)? PI plaintiffs lawyers love it. The jumpships are usually insured even if the DZ is not. That makes every pilot a deep pocket defendant. You'd be amazed to see what happens as a result. I know of a case from the 1970s where the jumpship pilot was sued for a student riding a malfunctions in all the way and ending up paralysed. The aircraft insuror paid big bucks. The student rig was packed by someone who wasn't a licensed rigger. How the hell would the pilot be able to tell who packed the main??? Should airline pilots be liable for hijackings? It's illegal to board with a concealed weapon. It's an exaggerated analogy but it illustrates my point. I don't want to see FAA licensing of jumpers, but it's unfair to make the pilot potentially liable for anyone who boards with an outdated reserve or leaves over clouds. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

ML wrote I remember reading about the money find when it hit the press as hot news. Although it wasn't logical, I thought that it would quickly lead to solving the case. It didn't. The Tena Bar money is insanely frustrating. I can't figure it out. I have even entertained wild explanations like the Ingrams put it there and subtly nudged young Brian to find it. Perhaps they had found a larger stash at a different location and wanted to see how ownership and negotiability would be resolved. Do I think that really happened? Nope. The intact rubber bands tell a story, but it's encrypted, ambiguous and unfinished. Jo is certain that Duane dropped the T Bar money off an upstream bridge, in a paper bag, but there's no proof at all. Sure wish I had a definitive confirmation or denial regarding the alleged debris field of currency shards at T Bar. It's a big deal if it existed. I stare at my Cooper twenty and wonder how the hell it ended up in a rubber banded stack at Tena Bar. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Next photo is my DC 9 DBC jump over Chanute AFB in 2006. Hundreds of jumpers took advantage of this opportunity. Cost was $100 but worth every penny. There were even a few tandem jumps made from the DC 9. It was a DC 9-21, a special hot rod version for hot and high airport operations. Only ten -21s were made by Douglas. This immaculate example was formerly flown by SAS. [inline image.jpg] 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I love old propliners. First pic is 377 jumping from a WW2 vintage C54 that had been converted into an ATL 98 CARVAIR double decker freighter. The CARVAIR carried automobiles on the lower deck that were loaded through a huge nose door and carried passengers in an area on the top deck behind the cockpit. Two Carvairs appear in the Bond movie Goldfinger. [inline image.jpg] 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Who said Q was gone? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo is taking "orders" from "VIPs"? Of course she tells us about it in teases and riddles. Jo, instead of red boldfaced riddles why not use plain language, colors and fonts? How did anybody get you to accept "orders" about what you post? Regardless, it seems to have improved your outlook and injected some optimism. Tease on Jo. Tease in red. Tease in boldface. Ignore the posts of others, as ordered by the VIPs. Why communicate when you can just broadcast? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

______________________________________________ "why so complicated here!?" Luddite filter? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I don't know where Tom's "center" is Georger. Sorry. One thing I do know about dredgers is that they cut corners. There are designated offshore areas for dumping dredge spoils. Many times when it was foggy we'd see dumps taking place far inshore. It saved time and nobody on shore could see the shortcut. I saw shortcuts taken by commercial dredge barges and big Army Corps of Engineers dredges too. The point is don't assume that plans indicate reality. Look where the spoils dumps really happened, not where the plans said they should have been. If there was an easier alternative, it may have been taken. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Robert, That trifurcated image on Mars looks like a C9 canopy wrapped in chain folded suspension lines, smoke jumper style. Sheesh, no wonder there's been a coverup by the FBI, CIA and now even JPL-NASA. The nuke waste dump at Hanford spins off space-time tornados. Now the Tena Bar money starts making sense. Rich and single on Mars. What a bummer. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Matt doesnt let BK slide on anything. No slack given, ever. BK's claim about the Cooper jump being made by Duane Weber with a chest mount reserve jury rigged as a back main was not credible. Not even close. Still, I dont grudge BK's postings. I don't like censorship period. It's soooo easy to tune out, skip over, ignore. Himmelsbach has an amazing aviation background including flying P 51s and P 40s in the military. I am surprised he doesnt attach more significance to Cooper's alleged flight configuration demands which were very specific and, to me, showed that he was connected with aviation. Most non aviation folks dont know the difference between a flap and an elevator, much less a flap angle that would keep airspeed low enough for a good exit. They wouldn't know how high you could safely fly without pressurization or supplemental oxygen. They also wouldn't think about exit speeds being so important for a jump. The Tena Bar money still frustrates me. I stare at my Cooper twenty, but I cant make it talk. I'd sure like Snow and Georger to further explore and debate the dredging issues. Could the money have been deposited by a dredge? Was there a currency debris field? Seems that the FBI would have clearly noted that and saved samples if there was one. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Great imagery Jo. You've got the touch. Maybe you should write a vampire novel. They still sell. What's got you so pissed off? No riddles please. Just facts and names. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Amazon wrote You gonna apply for the job Amazon? If you do get it please choose your butler carefully. I think Snowmman would make a fine Pope. He's currently in negotiation with the College of Cardinals but they've stalled on the celibacy thing. Can you believe they are letting Archbishop Mahoney help elect the next Pope? Liberal guy, revered by Latino immigrants, but he should be in jail for his role in covering up child sexual abuse by priests. As one guy said on tonight's news, "it's a college of cardinals, not angels" What does this have to do with Cooper? Not much, unless we can tie it to Tina's sister act. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Blevins wrote Amazing guy that Gray is. That boy can smoke crack and just move on. The rest of us live for the pipe. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger wrote Would you like some butter on that toasted Mandelbrot Georger? $200K for nothing is a pretty chaotic money exhange. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Jo, that just isn't factual. Nobody but a forum moderator has control. If you don't like what someone posts, just skip over it. You are getting spun up over something that is so easy to ignore. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Bruce wrote Glad your family is OK Bruce. I heard NJ Gov. Christie giving storm survival advice. He advised residents to go home, relax and have a drink. Is he a natural born leader or what? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Robert 99 wrote A prejudice I share. Where is Farflung to point out that it's not justified by the evidence? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Do it yourself ESD generator. See photo attached. Cheap ESD analyser on eBay:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Voyager-EA1000-ESD-Analyzer-Electrostatic-Test-Tester-antistatic-Used-/150991812207?pt=BI_Books_Manuals&hash=item2327d0366f 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Wonder if the ASIC mfr forgot to put in adequate "clamps" on inputs? The simplest clamps are diode resistor networks that take excessive voltage to ground. Done right they can give ICs pretty decent ESD protection. But high voltage from ESD is sometimes like a big mean gorilla. It doesn't respect fences or cages. http://www.navsea.navy.mil/nswc/crane/sd18/Public%20Documents/ResourcesElectDischargeCons.pdf I am disappointed that Cypres is making the customer do a QC check for them on every jump. In the past, they have offered superb customer support and service. This time the task is so overwhelming that they have apparently gone into wimp mode. Still, I hope the product defect class action parasite lawyers don't go after them. I bet Madd and Lars (Larsen and Brussgaard) would have manned up if one of their skydiving electronic products exhibited the same kind of failure. Bet they are thanking their lucky stars that they avoided the temptation of entering the AAD market. The old SSE Sentinel MK 2000 AAD had a dirt simple design with no ICs and no software. Just a couple of AA batteries, an altitude switch and a rate switch in series, an RC network to prevent landing shock induced contact bounce on the switches from firing the pin puller. Apparently that design isn't flexible enough to handle modern skydiving descent rate profiles, but I sure liked its simplicity. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Wonder if he could have achieved a retro rocket effect doing the same thing off the airstair? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.