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Jo wrote This is the closest you've come to putting Duane in a chute. Sounds like a skydiver to me. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

With several wildfires now raging, CA Gov Jerry Brown is proposing that state prisoners be allowed to fight fires, including some prisoners convicted of violent crimes. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/calif-may-speed-inmate-releases-ease-rules-for-inmate-firefighters-to-cut-prison-crowding/2013/05/03/c46404f4-b3cd-11e2-9fb1-62de9581c946_story.html The CDF's air tanker fleet (mostly surplus USN Grumman S2s reengined with turboprops) is being called to action much earlier than usual. No prisoner smoke jumpers though. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

And if it didn't it would still be OK if done by a skydiver. We are a tribe. Federal laws are regarded as "suggestions". The Feds are lucky we aren't building gambling casinos at DZs. And if we delay or skip an AD on our jumpship, well that's our right as a sovereign nation. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Robert99 wrote Very true. Interestingly the central character in Sheridan Petersons novel worries about this very issue as he prepares to exit on an insane solo jump into the hills of N Viet Nam. He tips the pilot with a twenty. If Cossey's death wasn't from surprising a stranger-intruder, the cops will be looking at who might have benefitted from his death. Wills and or life insurance policies have been behind many homicides. Was I the only one who noticed the Edsel in his garage? The news footage showed one that looked like new. I don't think anybody would kill for a mint Edsel, but if was a Shelby Cobra I might have a different opinion. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Q comms and Q encryption. Intersting stuff Georger. This article details a successful experiment between a ground station and an airplane. http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/04/quantum-encryption-keys-obtained-from-a-moving-plane/ I want to be the first to do skydiver to ground Q comms. Just a few minor technical issues to work out. Meanwhile I'll prepare for my DBC CB walkie talkie jump experiment. We can add a quantum transceiver later. I'll find that guy who modified Duane's CB to also work in the aviation band. He'll be able to do it. 10-4? 773 (failed quantum parity check) 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Jo, Do you have working smoke detectors? Just wondered when you mentioned being asleep while your house was filled with smoke. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger wrote Even if that were true some intelligent civilizations would have used regular RF for a while and we should be picking up a few coherent signals. I have a few tunnel diodes Georger. I can't make them be in two places at the same time though no matter what I chant. I've read Don Burnworth's patent. It evidences a sharp mind and a very deep knowledge of Boeing 727 flight control and electrical systems. Doesn't make him DBC but he sure knew 727s. His photo looks a lot like the FBI sketches. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

+1 Skydivers don't get all torqued up over foul language. We have different priorities. Will this beat up max gross jumpship blow an engine just after lift off? How long will I fight this twisted spinning mess before I cutaway? Yeah, my wind limit is 20 and it's gusting to 30, but I'm pretty sure it will be OK. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger, Have you seen this 160M antenna? Its so huge and high that its been BASE jumped. http://www.radioarcala.com/nbspStation/TowersandAntennas/Tower7/tabid/358/Default.aspx Bruce has done a really good job of researching Burnam, including interviewing him. Not sure if its all published yet. look at the pictures: (Don X is Burnam) http://themountainnewswa.net/2012/02/23/suspects-in-the-db-cooper-skyjacking-sketches-pictures-and-comparisons/ 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger wrote You could say the same thing about 160 meters OM. Maybe some ETs like a challenging frequency. I loved your Drake story. Does anybody know what happened to Farflung? I hope he is OK. I've been going over the Ted Braden materials. He sure had a motive and all the right stuff. Don Burnam is pretty interesting too. His photo is a decent match the the FBI sketches. He had been a 727 pilot and had VERY detailed knowledge of its systems, as evidenced by a US patent he obtained for an improvment to 727 electrical systems. He apparently figured out how to do something better and safer than Boeing did in their original design. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

G recommended reading Read every word of it Georger, in 1969. After reading it I was sure that we'd soon find narrow spectrum coherent radio signals from other worlds that had discovered RF comms many light years ago. Years later nothing credible has been detected even with huge advances in receivers and signal processing. I long for an ET CQ on the hydrogen channel. No joy. Not a peep. Just Poof. QSL? DE 377 QRZ 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I've mentioned this before, but what if Brian's parents put the money there and subtly encouraged their boy to clear a particular spot for a fire? Perhaps they had a larger stash that was found/taken under compromising circumstances. Perhaps they wanted to see if the loot could be kept and whether it was negotiable currency? If it was "found" at T Bar by a child there wouldnt be any hard questions about the curcumstances of its discovery. I've no evidence that this occured, I'm just trying to think outside of the box. The T Bar money drives me nuts. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Yeah, lenticular clouds have fooled a lot of folks into thinking they were viewing alien craft. If a real UFO phenomena existed you'd expect a dramatic rise in photo and video records of suspected UFOs with the advent of smart phones with cameras. That has not happened. 377 A kid I grew up with and went through Physics with wound up the director of Project Bluebook. Every time I would see the sob after our college years I would ask when he was going to Venus! He would laugh and say: "Can;t talk about it. It's classified"! That guy wound up a Sr VP in the Chase Manhattan Bank! Then worked with the British Govt.as an economist reorganising their power industry ... Now I'm here doing DB Cooper and he copies this website every now and then and will email with barbs I can;t repeat. He is a huge fan of Blevins and Airtwardo! Which one was your pal G? 2.1 The Captain Ruppelt era 2.1.1 Robertson panel 2.1.2 Aftermath of Robertson panel 2.2 The Captain Hardin era 2.3 The Captain Gregory era 2.4 The Major Friend era 2.5 The Major Quintanilla era 2.6 The Condon Committee 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, This obstinate strategy will insure that you take your ACES to the grave. Is there poker after death? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Yeah, lenticular clouds have fooled a lot of folks into thinking they were viewing alien craft. If a real UFO phenomena existed you'd expect a dramatic rise in photo and video records of suspected UFOs with the advent of smart phones with cameras. That has not happened. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

From FBI Well now it's official. Our forum is FBI certified IRRELEVANT. It's now the perfect place for covert Chechynan comms, hidden message bits in attached photo files etc. It's the last place the FBI will look for anything. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Not a chance Jo. The ACLU would sue. I'd handle it pro bono. The Constitution is pretty tattered and battered but it's still got a bit of life left in it. But the sad truth Jo is that the FBI couldn't care less about this forum. It's of no real interest to them. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, Many cons keep the glasses and continue wearing them long after release. It's kinda like a prison tattoo. When are you going to go public on your blockbuster info? If it was a tease just say so, otherwise please deliver. Hope you are feeling better these days. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, Did Duane have glasses like the one shown in the attached photo? A guy I've known since childhood served some federal time for smuggling marijuana. In prison he was issued glasses. Everyone got the same frames which had no metallic parts which could be turned into shanks or sheaves. When you served your time you got to keep the glasses. My friend still has his and often wears them on weekends. He has fun spotting other ex cons just by recognizing their distinctive spectacles. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, Believe what you want about pump car use and availablilty in 1971. I just thought you might want to see what railroad historical websites had to say. Pump cars typically took FOUR men to operate. Two could do it, but one would be inadequate on anything other than zero grade trackbeds. They were no good for ascending steep grades. Even you said: Nevertheless, you have this vision that Duane used a pump car to get out of the area and apparently nothing will change your mind. Remember Buster keaton propelling a hand car in The General? Handcars are featured in other movies too: From Wikipedia: Handcars are a recurring plot device of twentieth century film comedy. The opening scene of Blazing Saddles, set at a railroad construction site, features a handcar. In the movie Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, the culminating chase scene takes place along a railway, with one of the pursuers chasing the heroes down the tracks on a handcar. In the movie O Brother, Where Art Thou?, the three main characters encounter an old blind man on a handcar after escaping from prison. In the movie The Great St Trinian's Train Robbery two St Trinian's schoolgirls use one to move between distant points levers. In the Coyote and Road Runner episode "Rushing Roulette" (1965) Wile E. Coyote attempts to catch the Road Runner using a handcar. In 1998, SEGA manufactured the handcar-themed arcade game Magical Truck Adventure which the player controls by pumping a large handle. Buster Keaton uses a handcar during a chase scene in the film The General. I am a railfan so I'd love it if DBC had rode the rails to freedom, especially in a pump car. If he also had a walkie talkie it would be just about perfect. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sorry I missed that one. I was jumping at Pope Valley during the early 70s. I remember one weekend we had 2 DC 3s and a Lodestar flying jumpers out of that little strip. Good times. Sure miss that place. It was the best. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, My dad was homeless during the Great Depression and rode freight trains. He was saved by enrolling in FDR's CCC, Civilian Conservation Corps. FDR was only slightly less revered than God in my Dad's eyes. He told me that to board a freight train succesfully it had to be going no faster than you could run. He said guys were killed trying to grab onto freight cars that were moving faster than they were and got flung under. You had to match the speed, grab on and hoist yourself aboard, a very dangerousl operation. Also you had to find an open car, or a flat car or something you could lie down or sit on. It did no good to get aboard a ladder at the end of a closed car where you might have to hang on for many hours. You needed to get inside a car. He said you cold climb on top of closed boxcars and walk on top, but there were no handrails up there and irt was too easy to fall off on a movinmg train on a rough roadbed. Most freight trains do not follow strict schedules like passenger trains do. It's hit and miss. What are the chances that Cooper would find a train at the right place, the right time, going the right speed and with an open car that he could board? Pretty slim I'd say. As for handcars or pump cars as you call them, read this: The chances of a handcar being in use on an active rail line in 1971 was tiny. http://www.railroadhandcar.com/history/ 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote There is a lot more that you could do Jo. Stop keeping secrets. Publish and reveal all you know. Your tactic of withholding info, teasing, claiming that you are "not at liberty" to reveal allegedly key facts is counterproductive to say the least. The Internet preserves nearly everything that is posted. It's a kind of info immortality. If you have probative evidence that you are not revealing, then it will likely die when you do. If you post it, it will live on and may prove useful to others who share your opinion that Duane was part of Norjack and wish to pursue further research. I don't think you are making things up Jo, but I think Duane may have. You were once quite certain that Duane had annotated a library book about DB Cooper. The real DBC would not have done that, but a wannabe or con artist sure might have. It would also make sense for a small time crook who failed repeatedly at his chosen trade want to be remembered as a clever mastermind, the criminal of the century, rather than who he really was. I think he told you he was Dan Cooper, but that doesnt prove that he had anything to do with Norjack, nor does his presence in WA or the FBI's bungling regarding his incarceration records. There is a huge difference between putting him in WA and putting him on the plane or in a parachute. Maybe Duane was setting up a con to have someone invest to share in the "buried Cooper loot". A con job about Norjack fits Duane's profile far more than does his planning and successfully executing this innovative crime. I could be wrong about Duane and will gladly roast and eat an entire crow should it be proven that he was DBC. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Yup, especially fed stuff. They came down very hard on defendants who stole and forged sigs on SS checks. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Blevins wrote Comforting thought. We're all equal. Competition is pointless. It's a predestined tie every time. I wish I were Snow's equal on research ability. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.