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Once that pilot chute hits the 727 slipstream and extracts the canopy YOU ARE GOING. I doubt that you could hang on to the stairs if the main canopy streamered and failed to inflate. You agree Airtwardo? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, What evidence do you have to support the highlighted statement below? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

More from my smoke jumper friend: 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

From my smoke jumper friend: That photo Blevins posted of a jumper lowering a bag on a lanyard while under canopy is an Army paratrooper not a USFS smoke jumper. I can tell by the canopy, no steering slots. Sheridan made night sport jumps. Looks like his USFS training included at least one intentional timber jump. He had better training than copycats who succeeded. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Once in a while I step out of the Vortex for a breath of fresh air. A retired smoke jumper friend wrote the following: 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote I stand corrected Jo. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

How did we miss the chance to bring this USAF surplus monster to a big boogie? Sure, there might be some FAA hassles but when did we let fed regs get between skydivers and a unique jumpship? Remember what we did at WFFC when the Feds said the AN 2 Russian biplane couldn't haul jumpers? Check this out:https://sites.google.com/site/boeing377/c133 I was told that the C133s sold surplus out of Davis Monthan AFB went for under $50,000 each. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I'd appreciate it if you'd post what you saw. Was she really wrapped in her main? Was Perry Stevens still running the Antioch DZ then? He trained me in 68. I thought his FJC was really good. Lots of practice of emergency procedures in a suspended harness. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Jo, As I recall you also claimed to have seen the ground through some opening in the door frame during this flight. That wouldn't be possible in a pressurized 727. You should accept the possibility that your memory might not be very accurate regarding what you saw on this flight. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sounds good to me. Ayn Rand flight rules. Ticket prices would fall. So would a few planes but we would have free skies, unshackled from the oppressive oversight of big government. Bring it on. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Don't laugh. Snowmman found official docs about use of the SR 71 to look for Cooper. Really. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Nice one Georger! Dr. Science is in da house. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

from an old prior post: 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Yes, looks like the Thailand 727 jumpers went out on a ramp or chute, not down any stairs. On the DC 9 I jumped, the stairs were removed and the area was lined with smooth sheet metal to avoid snags and allow 85 jumpers to get out really fast. Nobody but BK claims to know how Cooper exited. Its all speculative. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

If Cooper faced forward and pulled while on the stairs, the jump would be very similar to the Thailand S/L jumps. If he did a freefall then they are enormously different. If I had known about the Thailand 727 jumps and had to jump from a 727 at night with a potentially destabilizing payload, I would have faced forward and pulled while standing on the stairs. GUARANTEED stability. No tumble, no spin. Just some opening shock (actually quite mild judging by the video) and a ride to the ground. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Mr Shutter wrote You can get an upper limit estimate on the 727 speed during the Thailand drops. The photo plane appears to be a turboprop Beech 18 conversion, probably a Hamilton Westwind or a Volpar. Air America had a few turboprop Beech 18s. http://www.utdallas.edu/library/specialcollections/hac/cataam/Leeker/aircraft/vtb.pdf http://beechrestorations.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/newsletter-12-supplement.pdf The Volpars had a top speed of around 245 mph. No reason to go fast for those S/L jumps, so my guess is less than 170 mph. Georger or Snow could probably calculate speed from the jumper trajectory plots. That's beyond my pay grade. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

On parachute parts with higher thermal mass (like webbing) you are correct but it wouldnt take much to weaken thin suspension lines. Stiil, dwell time in the hot zone is very brief. I've avoided asking the ARVN paratrooper much as I want the interview to be as clean and unbiased as I can make it. I didnt believe his military freefall story until I saw photos of such ARVN freefall ops in a Time Life book. He works as a barber now. Nice guy. He was very pleased that I showed interest in his military career. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYW08S3dAUs It looks as if the bagged canopies actually contact the 727 fuselage (or come very close) as the lines are stretching out. Not relevant to a ripcord jump, but spooky to watch considering the hot exhaust from the center engine that exits right at the tail cone. If Cooper knew about these Thailand jumps he'd have known that pulling off the stairs was his safest alternative, by far. No tumbling at all and a surprisingly gentle opening shock due to canopy "squidding". I never would have guessed it would deploy so gently without a sleeve. These 727 jump videos really surprised me and I have made a jet jump (freefall from a DC 9-21 in 2006). I am still planning to interview that Vietnamese paratrooper I met. He made military S/L and freefall jumps in Viet Nam and was aware of the sport jumpers in Saigon who used an RVN Sikorsky helo. I want to ask him if he was aware of the Thailand 727 jumps and if he by chance knew Sheridan Peterson who made sport jumps in Saigon. I'll also ask him what if anything he knew about the MAC SOG guys and their ops. If he permits it I will make a video and post a link here. I want to be careful not to ask leading questions. If any of you have question you wish me to ask, post them here. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

http://stanmed.stanford.edu/2011summer/article2.html An amazing recovery story. I was jumping in the SF Bay Area back then and never knew about this accident. I read about it recently in a Stanford medical newsletter. Anyone recall this incident? Did she really impact at near terminal velocity as the article implies? I assume she was an S/L jumper. How could her main be wrapped around her? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

http://www.lcs.syr.edu/faculty/higuchi/Papers/AnnRevFluidMechHiguchi.pdf Snow has raised the possibility that Cossey was wrong about DBC jumping a surplus NB 8 rig with a C9 canopy and that Cooper may have actually jumped with one of Norman's civilian rigs with a low speed canopy (rated at max 150 mph). I've been trying to find out if a civilian 150 mph rated canopy might have failed structurally if it was deployed at the estimated speed of the 727 at the presumed time of DBC's exit. Most of the technical papers involve finite element analysis and heavy math and do not directly answer my question. Butler Parachutes has some intersting info on civilian bailout gear here, which interestingly contemplates the use of silk canopies in 1997 (subject to shorter inspection and repack cycles): http://www.butlerparachutes.com/everythi.htm This part sounds ominous for DBC if he used one of Norman's rigs which was most likely certified under TSO C23b: The later higher standards CSO C 23c and d were adopted in 1984 and 1994 respectively. The way I read this is that many civilian canopies labled as complying with TSO C23b were nowhere near as structurally sound as a C9 military canopy and might have failed if deployed at higher than rated speeds. Remember, the energy goes up as the SQUARE of velocity. More from Butler: Snow will almost certainly find more than I have and may even be able to find examples of C23b civilian canopies like Norman's failing during high speed deployments over 150 mph. So now I must contemplate the grim possibilty that DBC pulled and that his canopy failed, streamering him in at about 100 mph vertical speed. Obviously I want him to have chosen a C9 pit bull canopy that can take a a 170 knot opening and laugh it off. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

His true story was so incredible that it was viewed with suspicion. What a tragedy. http://airforce.togetherweserved.com/usaf/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=ShadowBoxProfile&type=Person&ID=121941 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

That's the correct law school definition of a burglary, but cops usually refer to burgs as break ins to steal goods within. It's odd to see a cop give the law school definition. Actually it's a burglary to enter a supermarket with the intent to steal, even if the person takes nothing. It's rarely charged because they can't prove when the criminal intent was formed. It was charged in a case recently where a guy was caught inside the store with bar code labels he had printed which were to be stuck over the existing item bar code and cause expensive items to be scanned as different cheaper ones. The labels showed he entered with criminal intent. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

From DOJ stats: • An estimated 3.7 million burglaries occurred each year on average from 2003 to 2007. • A household member was present in roughly 1 million burglar- ies and became victims of violent crimes in 266,560 burglaries. • Simple assault (15%) was the most common form of violence when a resident was home and violence occurred. Robbery (7%) and rape (3%) were less likely to occur when a household member was present and violence occurred. • Offenders were known to their victims in 65% of violent bur- glaries; offenders were strangers in 28%. • Overall, 61% of offenders were unarmed when violence occurred during a burglary while a resident was present. About 12% of all households violently burglarized while someone was home faced an offender armed with a firearm. • Households residing in single family units and higher density structures of 10 or more units were least likely to be burglarized (8 per 1,000 households) while a household member was present. • Serious injury accounted for 9% and minor injury accounted for 36% of injuries sustained by household members who were home and experienced violence during a completed burglary. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Hope you aren't leaving Mr. Shutter. You are Chief of the BK Fact Police. We need your continued protection. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

This is the closest you've come to putting Duane in a chute. Sounds like a skydiver to me. 377 _______________________________________________ Now that's funny, 377. I LOL. Haven't heard from you in a while, 377. All last week with the Cossey homicide, didn't get your take on it. MeyerLouie Hi Meyer, My take on Cossey is pretty dull, no conspriacy, no Cooper links. I represented a lot of burglars back in the day ranging from junkies to kids. Murder wasnt their thing, escape was. Once in a while they'd get confronted and they'd always try to escape rather than fight. They sometimes fought to escape but none killed. Hard to generalize, but burglars are not usually killers even when surprised in the act. I wonder if there are signs of forced entry? If not it raises the possibility that the killer wasnt a stranger. The cops will be looking into his will, joint ownerships and life insurance policies to see who might have stood to benefit financially from his death. Sometimes recently divorced people are slow to change wills and life insurance beneficiaries. Cossey's returned wallet contents included a gambling card. Might be worth looking into his gambling habits and see if he had any heavy past due debts. Loan sharks can get violent if you are past due, but they normally dont kill the debtor. I'd be astounded if his death had anything to do with Norjack. I roll with Occam. He usually gets us to the correct destination. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.