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Jo wrote Wrong Jo. They were not "obligated" to do that. Your wishes are not their commands or obligations. Was the FBI also obligated to exhume your dead dog? They failed to perform. But you found some other person to take on that distasteful task. That incident is evidence of your persuasive powers. Speaking of obligations of law enforcement, do you think the SEC had a legal obligation to investigate Bernie Madoff? They ignored persuasive evidence that he was cooking his books. His competitors and skeptics presented the SEC with indisputable evidence that Maddoff's claims of lucrative trades were provably false by analyzing trade data. The SEC ignored the warnings and let Bernie continue to fleece investors. Recent suits against the SEC by fleeced Madoff investors have been dismissed. The courts have held the SEC not liable. Basically the SEC, FBI etc have discretion in their investigative practices. They don't owe the public a duty to do their job correctly. You can sue and recover damages from a federal law enforcement agency for a wrongful act such as illegally breaking into your home, but you'll get thrown out of court if you try to collect for negligent investigation or failure to catch a bad guy like Madoff. http://jenner.com/system/assets/assets/2605/original/Dichter_Mad_Family.pdf?1319148148 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Found this, written in 76: 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Actually not Jo. While you and others found Bruce's approach objectionable, it falls far short of criminal stalking. I cant see any DA filing criminal charges based on what Bruce did. Although Tina was obviously offended and annoyed, her personal safety was not being threatened. She asked Bruce to leave and he left. Take a look: 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Jo, The FBI is not your errand boy. They aren't obligated to produce files that you could get yourself. If Shutter found the Jefferson files you could have too. You look at every FBI mistake as proof of a conspiracy to cover up Duane's involvement in Norjack. I take a simpler view, that they are just mistakes. In my years as a criminal defense lawyer I saw lots of mistakes made by law enforcement officers at all levels from beat cops to FBI SAs. It happens. It isn't proof of a conspiracy. I believe that the FBI wants to solve this case. Understandably, they arent going to commit any serious resources to it at this late date, but if they find or are presented with solid evidence as to the identity of DBC I think they would try to close the case. They'd love to say they batted 1000 on solving skyjackings. As long as DBC remains unidentified, they cannot make that claim. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Big surprise coming huh? It would be a Big surprise if you delivered on even one of your teases. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, this is a skydiver's forum. Skydivers, at least the ones I've know during my 45 years in the sport, don't call up someone's employer to complain if they are pissed off at that person. What you did was not OK in my book. Despite what you say, I think your complaint to FBI brass was directly responsible for Ckret's departure. What Ckret did was to post information about a convicted criminal's record. He violated no laws. As far as "guidelines", show me what FBI guideline Ckret violated. You acted as a self-appointed internal affairs officer. If your goal was getting him removed form the Citizen Sleuth project you achieved it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo complained about Ckret to his employer, the FBI. She had some beef with him about disclosing info about Duane's criminal record on a public forum. Ckret permanently departed the forum shortly thereafter. Jo claims she did not run him off the forum. We had a direct link to the FBI through an agent who was very interested in the case. It's gone forever. I think that is a real shame. Ckret was a Seattle based bank robbery specialist but I think he got promoted up to something bigger in DC. I bet Ckret still reads the forum now and then. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Bruce wrote I give to give very little credence to govt. Norjack coverup conspiracy theories. Further, Duane Weber would be a very poor choice for such a conspiracy. His arrests show not one crime that involved advance planning or innovative thinking. They were simple opportuntistic crimes for small stakes and were executed poorly. Also, to his credit, Duane never threatened violence. He used good looks, charm and distraction to great advantage in crime and also in love as evidenced by his successful courtship of a smart good looking blonde who we all know well. The govt doesnt need a fake Cooper because nobody has even come close to proving who the real one is. Duane Weber and Jo's dogged advocacy of his DBC identity serve no useful purpose under those circumstances. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

From a lively web debate about donuts on a rope contrails:http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread215014/pg1 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

The transfer theory is Norman's rigs get carried though his machine shop and the surfaces get various metal shavings and particles attached. The rigs are later put on the Norjack 727. Cooper in examining the rigs gets some of the metal debris on his tie. It's a long shot but worth investigating. If Norman's shop is the source of the Ti (pure, not alloyed) and Al that Tom found on the tie, it's worth knowing to avoid wasting time chasing down other sources. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo is really bringing out the big guns and aiming them at you Bruce, but worry not, it's all bark. The only bite she ever delivered sidelined Ckret, which was a real shame. I'm no mental health expert, but might Tina become less stressed if Cooper were identified and apprehended or confirmed deceased? I can see why she might worry if she is a key eyewitness to serious felony and the perpetrator is still at at large. Maybe she does cooperate with the FBI and just shuns civilian sleuths. She is a mystery, that's for sure. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

There is as much talk about lawsuits here as there is on some legal forums. More about skydiving and less about law would suit me fine. Copyright infringment abounds, but very little of it is worth a lawsuit. Most people (I'll exclude the RIAA) are rational about it. Saw Neil Young and CSNY last month. Neil is sounding a LOT better than in performances I attended a few years ago. More control of his voice and instruments. I read that he had stopped smoking pot. CSN&Y performed together and still sound good. David Crosby amazingly is still alive and singing pretty well. He has probably ingested his body weight in cocaine and 1000x in booze. I think he is on his second liver. I've been corresponding with Sailshaw and Bruce about the Cooper tie-tanium. I'd like to see Tom K sample the surface of Norman's rig that is on display at the WA History Museum. Might Norman's rigs have been the source of Cooper tie-tanium? Norman ran a machine shop that did work for the aircraft industry. Easy test to run. I think it's unlikely that Norman was working with pure titanium, but I'd like to rule it out. Norman wont answer inquiries from Bruce. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Thanks Vicki. What an amazing outcome. I've been on some of those small Cessna formation jumps and I never liked it. Formation flying is a difficult skill to learn and not all jump pilots are experienced formation flyers. A few years ago a jumper went into the prop of a jumpship that was flying in formation beneath the one she exited. http://www.dropzone.com/news/Safety/Skydiver_dies_after_hitting_propeller_of_another_plane_254.html 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

R99 wrote They were real jumps but some serous editing was done. Time the freefalls. And talking during freefall? Swayze and his brother were both jumpers. I loved the movie. It drove a huge amount of business to DZs. Everybody wanted to be a skydiver after watching those incredible freefall scenes. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

R99 wrote Skydiving experience can cut both ways in screenwriting. If the screenwriter for Point Break had been a skydiver we wouldn't have had those awesome three minute freefalls with jumpers talking to each other in a serene environment on the way down. Instead we'd have seen a short sequence with nothing but a deafening wind roar and flapping faces. The popular TV series Ripcord would have been stillborn had they been required to be authentic or even obey Newtonian physics. I nit pick every Hollywood excess in cinema skydiving but actually enjoy the enhancements. The reality of slow climbs packed like sardines with everyone venting smelly methane as the air pressure drops isn't very romantic. It's followed by an incredibly loud freefall that only lasts a minute or so with all communication done by hand signals. The real experience isn't quite as appealing as the Hollywood version. I'd be OK with Blevins or Bruce writing a screenplay about the Superior collision. They know where to get jumper edits if they want them. Geoff Gray made a few aviation goofs in his Skyjack book. Few readers noticed or cared. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

This was no "Janet" sighting. Read on. Amazing escape from a catastrophic mid air collision: 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Maybe... Pensions are governed by rather strict federal laws. They can't be unilaterally canceled by a former employer for speaking out. Someone who had that happen would have no problem getting a lawyer to take their case on a contingent fee. Just the threat of a press conference is all it would likely take to get it restored. Retaliatory actions by employers (even govt agencies) against whistle blowers pisses juries off and can result in multimillion dollar verdicts far exceeding the value of the cancelled benefit. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Been reading Harrison's notes. Some details about the Cooper bomb materials make me wonder if it might have been real. No conclusive evidence but it sounds like more than road flares and a battery. Harrison mentions "chest" chutes which is the correct name not "front" chutes. Some of the handwritten words are illegible. Why did Himmelsbach, a very savvy aviator, think he could catch a 727 with a helicopter? Was he instead hoping to find a chute in a tree? Very hard to accomplish that at night. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Not ONE? So untrue Jo. Everybody here wants the mystery solved. We all have plenty of other things to do. If we are crime mystery junkies there are many unsolved cases to choose from. But Norjack is heroin for skydivers. The other cold cases are methadone. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Jo, First let me say I am very happy that your predictions of your imminent departure from this life have proven to be wrong. But I have to say, you have made more "last performance" announcements than Cher and Streisand combined. You complain about not "being heard." Everything you say on the Internet is heard and preserved. Accepted as credible is another story. I don't think you are a liar. I just dont think that the evidence you have presented makes a credible case that DW was DBC. I'd be happy to be proven wrong about Duane, KC or any other suspect that I think is an unlikely DBC. I have several recipes for crow standing by. BTW, crows seem to have taken over from the seagulls as the dominant avaian scavengers in the SF Bay Area. I can bag one any day without stepping off my back porch. They seem to be smart. You can point a broomstick at them and they dont budge. Bring out a pellet rifle and they scram immediately. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

At WFFC I was on a CASA load and the weather changed pretty dramatically during our climb. The pilot decided nobody was going to jump, zoomed us down from 14,000 ft and taxied directly into a big hanger just as all hell broke loose. Tents were getting blown down and the downpour was torrential. It would have been a nightmare descending under canopy in those conditions. Paul, the owner of the CASA fleet, offered us a free rejump, but I declined. He ferried the fleet from GA to IL for nothing. He was not making much money flying us at WFFC and a zero revenue load to full altitude would just put him further behind. I started jumping in 1968 and we were charged a dollar per thousand feet basically. 12,500 was $12.50. I am astounded that prices have stayed so low. Adjusted for inflation they are cheaper now than they were in 1968. Two weeks ago I went to 14,000 for $22. What a bargain. I try to cut DZOs some slack. They are being awfully good to us offering such low jump prices on such expensive aircraft. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

If you worked in radar systems you'd like this, from an old post. I too worked at a military radar mfr, Hughes. PPI X band and S band radar was pretty accurate 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

That lawyer deserved to have her knuckles rapped by the state bar for selling the truck to her son regardless of the price. She is lucky she didnt get a more severe sanction for self dealing. It's not so much about the price, its about the appearance of a conflict of interest. Has anyone had contact with Farflung since he stopped posting? Vicki? Anyone? I just worry something might have happened to him. Anyone in touch with Sluggo? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Boy are you in for a shocktoid! Can you explain what you mean Georger? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

http://www.asylum.com/2010/09/16/falling-body-new-jersey-sky/ 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.