BIGUN

We have GOT to get you some man training. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Lemmee share the definition of jonesin with ya. Being in wintery Cleveland since November and flying to Orlando for a one day business trip where it was 75 and sunny in the land of great DZs; then flying to Houston for a one day business trip where it was 75 and sunny in the land of great DZs, Just getting on the plane knowing where you were going and knowing that you wouldn't have time for a jump in either place. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Anything that starts out with, "According to these two strippers..." ain't gonna have a lot of credibility. Now, if it starts out with, "According to Bigun..." Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

See, now you're busted; not for being a cokehead, but for not being a programmer. Everyone knows that a programmer's drug of choice is Mountain Dew and Cheetos. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I "believe" it has to do with having a bulkhead between the pilot and the open door. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I've had some success with buying both Afrin and Ocean Spray. I open the Ocean Spray and do one long squirt of Afrin in it so as to have mostly OS and a diluted amount of Afrin. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

But not without some form of liability insurance. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

It can be done. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Kaplan is accredited by The Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools. One of the six regional accreditation associations recognized be DOE. However, if your degree program requires state licensure, you should check with that State to ensure Kaplan's degree program has received the necessary state approvals required for that licensure. For example, teaching certificates, psychology, etc. You should also check to see how companies perceive that type of degree. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

My cry of "Bullshit" was to the comment of it's "Education." Exposure and education are two very different subjects. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Sorry, but I committed to SkyFest and with the WFFC schedule change, can't make both. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Pick any DZ in Florida. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Even a part-time DZ requires a full-time concurrent commitment from just about everyone on the staff. Someone willing to take phone calls and do student scheduling all thru the week, rigging, hanger fees, training, marketing, advertising, etc. If your only financial commitment is going to be the airplane, you won't need a small business loan. If you don't have 3/4 students and 1/4 experienced skydivers, you're going to be operating at breakeven. Edit: Until your first plane maintenance issue, then you're in the red. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Maybe you should join sumpin like Skydivers Anonymous... ya know, get a sponser for those times you feel weak and need a jump fix. Wait.. that's how I got the addiction; from hanging around with skydivers. Welcome back. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

The gap between thinking, asking questions and just doing as told seems to be growing wider Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

One of the early Oklahoma skydiving pioneers (Richard Wolf) had just finished Airborne School in 1965. He came back to Oklahoma and really had a desire to skydive, but couldn't find anyone to teach him. So, he purchases military surplus gear. packs it up (no class) talks a friend of his with a 182 into taking him up to 5000' and jumps. Over the course of many jumps, he basically taught himself how to fly. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Don't make me separate you two. I have nothing but good things to say about L&B, Alti2, SQ1, & Bonnie. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Yup, Skiatook. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Try going to "Edit Profile" Select the "Display Settings" in the box that says: In flat view, when viewing thread: ; select "View root post" in the dropdown box to see if that fixes it. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

There is a haze and smell of smoke all over Tulsa. We jumped Saturday and while climbing thru 4K, the smoke layer was a distinct blanket as far as you could see. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Congrats to You. Chili Releno was passing thru town one day and had a beer offense. He told everyone he was sober and wouldn't buy beer, but what he would do is run down to the store and get some root beer and ice cream and make everyone root beer floats. And, that's what he did. He stood behind the table and filled everyone's order. Personally, I thought it more time consuming and probably more costly; but what I found even more intriguing was that everyone thought it was cool to do, enjoyed themselves and actually partied less that night; hence, we started skydiving earlier the next day. Again congrats... Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

You have any idea how beautiful you are when you're angry? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Point taken, There are incidents that can be read and perhaps used for learning if someone takes that information back to the DZ and real learning takes place. I don't think there's any of us on here that are opposed to more education, but we can't just say it without formalizing knowledge transfer. I think dz.com [is] and the Incidents Forum can be the greatest single source, rather than just a small part. If we're talking about real education, then what about; 1. A form would put a required amount of information on the thread 2. One the moderators could lock the thread, create a new thread Safety & Training thread and reciprocally hyperlink that Incident and S&T thread, then point to the white papers, seminars, or other learning venues (as has been done on occasion). 3. The moderator could initiate an email to all the registered DZs on dz.com and DZs could use that information as either part of their formalized training or incorporate the most categories of incidents into Safety Day. Food for thought Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Bullshit. The only thing you're educated on in the Incidents Forum is who was the first to post and who got injured or killed followed by an emotional discussion. The quality of information collection and metrics for the beginning stages of education would be greatly enhanced by an Incidents Forum Form; first to post would be required to fill out the form. And there you have it. We can chant education and post a matrix of recommended W/L sizes all day long, but that is still just discussion and will do nothing to lower the "Hook Turn Fatality" numbers. In fact, the trendline would indicate it's increase. And cutsie phrases like; "Skydivers will learn new ways to kill themselves no matter how safe you try to make it" or saying the trend-line is going up is because there's more skydivers to the sport is a cop-out. OK - so, therein lies the problem. The solution; let's have a skill level test before downsizing. For example; BillVon's downsizing checklist is a great place to start and I think every DZ ought to adopt a policy of having the S&TA watch that person perform all the maneuvers prior to being signed-off for downsizing prior to EACH downsizing. In every military, industry, profession, there is some form of selection criteria before being accepted to the next level. For example; you think anyone can walk in the door of the Air Force and say I wanna fly A-10's or F-117s? But yet, anyone beyond (or not) the [recommended] 500+ jumps which can now be obtained in six months can plop down 2 grand, buy a X-braced canopy and go learn... Not get educated; but go learn. Big difference. Let's face it; we belong to an organization of recommendations, rather than rules. And, until we're ready to do what's right, rather than what's popular and formalize some rules for canopy downsizing, like formalized endorsements, nothing is going to change. We can recommend you NOT buy a X-Braced canopy and jump it at 2:1 to everyone; but not everyone and very few anyone's will get educated by _just_ another hook turn fatality thread. Let's not B.S. each other, huh? The Incidents Forum ain't about education; it's about being first to post. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

My first MOS was 13BoomBoom Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.