BIGUN

You want me & Walt to do what?!?!?!? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I hate learning by the Oh F**k~~ method. But, it is a valuable learning tool. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Yeah, Andy. I know a couple of DZ's that still do them - if for no other reason than to not only be able to show their FJC course curriculum in the event of something catastrophic, but to demonstrate the student actually learned it. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Local Rigger That's not P/C hesistation, you're correct - that's usually the case cause you're subterminal. Local Rigger discussion - Aerodyne verification. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Check the collapsible pilot chute kill-line trim. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I don't think anyone's going to flame you for that. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Agreed. WE do both the perfromance-oriented homework, but have doen the reading quiz as verbal questions. A formalized written quiz may be of more value. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Meeker Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I do a lot of business traveling... Coolest trick I've ever seen: Doors close, flight attendant comes on the PA and politely requests everyone turn off their cell phones. About 8 seconds later, she comes back on and says, "Our on-board computer tells us there's still 7 cell phones in the "On" position, please check your phones so we can back from the gate." I was sitting in the back of the plane and it was like watching a dumpster diving contest while everyone was diving for their cell phones to make sure they weren't the culprit. I was crackin up. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

If you have genuine concerns about the "FAA considering" or as the article reads; placing regulations on swoopers, our best resource for information regarding the FAA has been the USPA. They do a great job of interfacing with the FAA. In fact, it was their efforts that got us the TSA letter regarding parachutes on aircraft. My suggestion would be to fire off an email with the link to the article and let them determine if there's any validity to the statements. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I second that emotion. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

The ramblings of an anonymous author that can't even get the facts straight and then references another article as the source doesn't lend much credence with me. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Personally, I don't think you need to defend the number of solo jumps portion other than to add if "economic reasons warrant" kinda thing. And your advice about 8,000 is good... If one is at 12,500 on a HnP, a lot of DZs are in airspace that require the plane to circle the jumpers till 8K. IMO they can practice solo RW "on the hill" using the plane as a reference (and if last out, it can be the reference point of all turns). One of the most important components of RW is those first fews seconds out of the plane. Awesome self-coach solo is to present yourself to the line of flight, then do a 360 on the hill back to it, then try for a 90 both ways, 180's sound easy as a diving exit, but hold it at 180 thru the hill. There was a time not long ago that FF'ers did LOTSA solos around a BB's filled tennis ball with Streamer to learn. Aaah anyway... As usual ya done good, Lisa. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

DZ.com has a glossary of terms: http://www.dropzone.com/safety/resources/handbook/gloss2.shtml Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I'm with Mykel (AFFI)... IMO Tandem progression is the best methodology. It's a complimentary blend of Tandems and AFF; hence the term, Accelerated Freefall Program (AFP). As for how you learned before, it really doesn't matter, they all count. And, if you wanna get really vested in what he did versus what is today called the Integrated Student Program (ISP) where a student can use S/L, AFF, or Tandems moving towards their "A" license, it sounds like your previous Instructor was either ahead of his time or outta his fuckin mind. As for your deciding whether to come back now or wait, that's a decision you have to make. Course, if ya gets hurt on landing, "Physician, heal thyself." Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Ditto... Have them check out SkydiveMentors.com. they are very active at sending out emails as to what's going on all year. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Yup, that'll insert an excel worksheet... but I don't think it inserts an existing file. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Or, if you're sending it softcopy, you can always embed it in the document as an object: Insert Object Create from File Tab Browse Display as Icon (change the icon name to remove the path statement) When they receive it, they click on the icon and it spawns the excel spreadsheet which they can then "Save as..." Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

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I would nominate this article to be included in: http://www.dropzone.com/safety/Students/index.shtml Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

And, this is the issue for me on two points. First, if we look at the core curriculum of the FJC, the number of TLO's to time do not fit into a 4-5 hour class. As a result, most Instructors will tailor the FJC to the area and either minimilize some TLO's. But, the USPA FJC program is "supposed" to have reciprocity between DZ's across the country. If one has been thru an FJC and goes to another - the assumption is that one has learned all the TLO's of the FJC to proficiency. Second, the factor of fear can be reduced by building confidence thru a feeling of proficiency. I've reached a point where I won't teach a 4-5 hour cookie cutter FJC and am now an independent Instructor with my own criteria for the FJC and work with a couple of DZ's where I have "Instructor" priviledges - I teach, then bring the student to their DZ. The class starts on Thursday evening for four hours, two-three hours on Friday night, and/or another three-five hours on Saturday morning at the DZ on the day of the jump and the class is limited to five students/instructor. The curriculum is broken into chunks, they are assigned both performance-oriented homework and reading assignements. It also gives them time to ask questions (and they are encouraged to find questions). Then, we review all the performance-oriented TLO's from the previous session. Anyway, not to develop an argument, nor have you think that this is a Rob vs. Bigun difference of instructional methodolgy (cause you know that I respect a lot of your opinions on here). It's more of a program discussion. I just don't think all the TLO's can be met in the 4-5 hour class and "choose" not to try to fit it in to that timeframe for the sake of "DZ efficiency." I strongly believe that most students walk away after their first jump after a 4-5 hour class feeling lucky, rather than confident. Don't get me wrong. I understand why most DZ's train the way they do and when I had a DZ, it wasn't the most financially successful, but we measured our success in a qualitative way. I think the primary question here is - "If you had a choice, how long and over how many days would you choose to teach all the TLO's for the FJC?" We posed the question to ourselves and then acted on the answer. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Communications (Social Science) - everyday, with whomever I'm communicating with. And, while technically - yes, howver, I had intended to finish up my doctorate in Organizational Behavior - chose not to after 2 years of teaching at the college level. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Maybe if the FJC were longer and more in-depth? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Somebody here in Oklahoma won 100 mil and didn't claim it until a few days before it expired. They'd hired a financial attorney to set up a trust and the attorney set it up in such a way that the name of the winner wasn't released. Smart move. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Nine years out. Challenge? Yeah, it's an easy sport to walk away from with those things that will be thrown at you in this life. As for the whole fear issue - I think it's safe to say there will be some anxiety, but nothing like you experienced your first few jumps - and with the number of jumps you have - you could be gone for a year or two and not feel much fear at all.... you may even feel like its "right" on the ride up. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.