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Duh, golly gee Mr. Professor, thanks for pointing that out. In my 51 years of life I've always thought that products just appeared out of thin air. Thanks for the enlightenment, oh great Swami! Obvious, you do not even have an idea of what science even is! FAITH! Ridiculous! Science is not faith nor is it even fact. Science is a box of tools that allows us to sift through a vast array of information. Nothing is absolute as hypotheses are tested and then repeated leaving room for revision. Science is characterizations, hypotheses, predictions, and experimentation. All which is left to peer review. Kepler did not base his discoveries upon faith as Einstein did not base his. Science requires an open mind and the ability of imagination. Faith requires one to abandon imagination and to lock ones mind. Faith is a fools crutch which supports nothing. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

One of the most common "why I believe in God" explanations that I hear is the "I should have been dead" scenario. For example, someone misses a horrible wreck with a drunk driver by mere inches or a fraction of a second, so this is proof that God must exist. But the explanation for all the others who actually are killed by drunk drivers? Well, that varies from person to person, but I've yet to hear a rational explanation. True story: Two weeks ago, after a heavy snowfall, I needed to get into town. I could not get my bike (Harley) out onto the road due to the depth of snow, so I decided to walk. Town is about 5 miles away. As I was walking along the shoulder of Hwy 174, I suddenly found myself waking up face down in the road. I thought, as I was coming to, that I must have had a heart attack as my left side was in a lot of pain. A few seconds after getting my head together, I realized that there was a mini van stopped in the road ahead of me. I was able to get up and walked towards the van. The people in the van were somewhat frantic and the driver was apologizing for hitting me. He said that he looked down at his speedometer as the speed limit drops from 65 to 55mph at the point where we were. He told me that his wife screamed and he looked up to see that he was on the shoulder heading directly at me. He jerked the wheel to put the van back on the road, but not before hitting me. He hit me with the side mirror on my back and left arm. The hwy patrol and an ambulance came as they called 911 right after I was hit. I declined any medical treatment after an initial check by the paramedics as I felt fine accept for a slight pain in my arm and back. One of the paramedics made a comment that God must have plans for me as I should had been seriously injured. I only smiled and went on my way. Funny thing is that I did not even have a bruise and no pain afterward. I chalk it up to being in the right place when I got hit. Plus, I am one tough son of a bitch. The side mirror was completely destroyed. When bad shit happens, how you fare depends on where you're at. It has nothing to do with a god. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Fair enough. By the way, nice rifle. For the record, I'm all for gun control - being able to hit your target "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

done "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Actually they're selling tons of marijuana to us each year, but we don't care as much because Canadians aren't brown. British Columbia is known for its high grade hydroponic marijuana which is its biggest export to the US. By 2001 the DEA estimated production at $4B a year wholesale with up to 95% of the crop exported to the US, perhaps exceeding the top two legal exports lumber at $3.2B and oil+gas at $1.5B. It's grown in the following decade with Canada's National Post reporting ""Marijuana has been virtually decriminalized in British Columbia and it's an open secret that the annual export crop has been bigger than forestry for a decade." Wow! Thanks for that! All we really hear about is what comws North across our border. Probably, because of the extensive violence connected with it. I don't think race or color has anything to do with it, just the violence. Chuck Canada is probably more of a problem due to more attention is focused on the US/Mexican border. Plus, the immense length of the US/Canadian border makes it near impossible to patrol. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/02/02/2011-02-02_canadian_border_poses_bigger_terror_threat_to_us_than_mexico_border_report.html http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/lawmakers-call-military-grade-radar-us-canadian-border "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

That's not true. Moose Milk is fucking awsome!!!!! http://www.vermontgasprices.com/Forum_MSG.aspx?master=1&category=1164&topic=38698&page_no=3&FAV=N I've never heard of anyone drinking moose milk. Although, I assume that the article was mostly in jest, I searched for moose milk and found that people do indeed drink it. Has anyone on here ever try it? I was joking about bombing Canada. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I say we just bomb the hell out of Canada. They have never contributed anything to the world anyways. U.S.A., U.S.A., U.S.A.!!!!! WE'RE NUMBER ONE! "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I'm a gun lover, but it seems that you are merely trolling for controversy. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

The song ask, what is probably the oldest question, who is the real God(?). Of course, there is no answer to that question. I am all for what works for another. It's all personal. I cannot tell another that my belief trumps theirs. The same goes in the opposite direction. It seems that when the two opposites collide, wars break out, families split, and worst in us is exposed. Yup, another cut in paste. What can I say, Lennon said it best. It is worth repeating. Imagine By John Lennon Imagine there's no Heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

My work history; Since leaving the U.S. Navy in 1984-Hussmann Refrigeration-Sperry Rail Service-Hussmann Refrigeration, and now back to Sperry Rail Service. I love NDT (Non-Destructive Testing.) Cannot wait to get back on the rails "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

The ultimate question: Will the real God please stand up? Eastern Intrigue By Todd Rundgren http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXAsitu-lJo As the sun rises in the east As the wind blows the fog across the sea As the hand of Man creeps across the face of the world Caught in a web of glamors Persian perfume and oriental eyes Yogi in knots and Sufi wise Master sublime and swami high Throw in some Voodoo on the side And a dash of the old Kung Fu Lord you got me strung out on eastern intrigue Lord you got me strung out on eastern intrigue Chapter six and verse eleven If you wanna get to heaven You've got to ask the Man who owns the Property Ya gotta dance your dance And do your act And get His Big Attention that's a natural born fact I'm on my knees, one question please Will the real God please stand up? Jesus and Moses, Mohamed, and Sri Krishna Steiner, Gurdjief, Blavatsky, and Buddha, Guru Maharaji, Reverend Sun Myung Moon On the banks of the Holy Nile As the palm tree sways at the base of the sphinx 'Neath a crescent desert moon many thousands Younger than ours In fact, forget about time completely Think of it in the abstract please Think of the swaying tropic trees One of your many destinies Like having a hot peyote tea In the palace of Fu Manchu Lord you got me strung out on eastern intrigue Sell your wife and pawn your heater Buy the new Bhagavad Gita Do the pranayama 'til your spine gets sore I'll tell you for free 'Cause God told me We checked it with the Pope and so we all agree I'm on my knees, one question please Will the real God please sit down? "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

What do you expect? This is the United States of Americrap. Protect the rich, kill the poor. Fuck the Federals. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Watched this a few days ago on PBS. Far different from what is normally shown about Reagan. Well worth watching. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/reagan/player/ "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

How about the first Gulf War, when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and Bush (41) got a huge coalition of many countries together through the UN to wage war against Iraq? Bush 41 apparently knew better than his son that to go any further would only lead to what Iraq is today-a hotbed for terrorist training, countless number of dead/wounded innocent men, women, children, and a huge number of dead/wounded Americans. Yup, that nation building thing really worked out great All the while Bin Laden is laughing, laughing, and laughing "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

My thought, exactly. I'm done with this thread, until it gets off of the kiddie track. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Obama only projected the aura of being great. The reality has settled in. Have you looked at his favorability ratings lately? http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_fav.htm Seems to me you are in denial about his greatness. This poll is more current. 51% approval http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/09/us-usa-poll-idUSTRE7183Q820110209 "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Just had an odd image of the Cookie Monster eating a Twat-Muppet "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

The Committee of Five was formed to consider the Lee Resolution. Of the 13 colonies, 12 voted on it (New York did not vote). Afterward, Congress adopts the resolution and then reviews the DOI written by the Committee of Five. Two days later the final draft of the DOI came to be on July 4th, 1776. Do I get a passing grade "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

In your view, anyone who does not accept your god is wrong. That alone demonstrates your ability to close your mind to new ideas. You really should steer clear of christian websites that rewrite history in order to push the christian agenda of lopping off the heads of all you do not share their point of view. Again, you demonstrate that your mind is shuttered. I am well aware of where and how the DOI came about. I had a 4.0 GPA in American History 101. There was much discussion on whether the FF where Christians or not. The proof of their disdain for Christianity is in the personal papers of many of the FF (some of the die hard christian types dropped the class as they refused to see the truth and insisted that America is a Christian based nation.) You should either take a class or just read the papers online (hint: an opened is required in order to absorb new ideas.) "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Before throwing parts at it, hoping for a cure, I would get out my digital multimeter and get value readings on the components in question. Following the trouble shoot flow chart will lead you to the cause of the problem and save you from frustration and wasting money. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Doggy ashes is a gateway to much harder abuses, such as butt sniffing. DON'T DO IT!!!!! If you are ever offered a line of rover's ashes, growl loudly and run quickly away, less you wish to be hopelessly roaming the streets for a butt to sniff. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Doesn't sound like a vacuum leak problem as a vacuum leak usually just cause an engine to idle rough, unless the leak is so great that it interrupts the pull of the charge through the intake. I would take a look at the fuel pump. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Riding a Harley? Congratulations! Oh and congrats on that kid thing too "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I interpret the use of the word "their" as ones personal belief, not the belief of the government. Had they used the word "the", I would interpret that to indicate that the government was pushing the agenda of the church. The Founding Fathers wished to keep the church out of governing the people. Thomas Jefferson was not even a Christian, but a Deist. The same with Washington and others. One merely needs to read through the personal papers of the FF to get a grasp on their views on Christianity and the church. This country was not founded on Christian values, but on the concept that one is free to believe as one wishes to do so. http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html I do, however agree with much of what you wrote. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

You are really grasping at straws to salvage your need to have the upper hand aren't you? Please continue, it's emtertaining watching someone make a complete fool out of themselves. Are we not all guilty of bashing the other side? What starts as an intelligent discussion of opposite views all too often evolves, rather quickly, into a bashing contest in which the original intent of the post is but a mute point. So it goes in Speakers Corner... "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young