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GeorgiaDon and Southernman, thanks for good input and food for thought. My question concerns the mega-ministries, such as Joyce Meyer, with regards to taxes as is questioned in this article. http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/11/06/mainstream-media-exposes-joyce-meyer-she-received-millions/ From the article; Joyce Meyer Ministries has been battling Jefferson County Assessor Randy Holman for several years to keep its $30 million headquarters and its contents off the tax rolls. It seems, to me and others, that the mega church main agenda is mega wealth and very little of anything they preach. They appear to be using tax havens to support lavish lifestyles. Not at all what they preach to their followers from their bible to live a humble life. They do not practice what they preach, but the complete opposite. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

He has, huh? Has he spent 20 years going to their church and listening to the sermons about God Damn Overthrow America, or something? Still waiting on some proof of that, too - you'd think he would have taken it for a trial run over the last decade if it were true. A five year old child has better reading comprehension than you do. Nice PA - got that proof yet? Not a PA. That is just my observation concerning your ability to comprehend a simple statement. My statement, "One should be concerned of his true agenda." does not require proof as it does not beg for such. What it does beg is if a person is concerned with the group which he has aligned himself with, they should be concern to what Perry's true agenda might be... comprende? I suspect not. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Weapon; gun, knife, hammer, chainsaw, car, icepick, sticks, stones... Those things, humans use on each other on a regular basis. Humans also kill each other with their bare hands, true. I've yet to hear of any person going into the wilderness to assault a polar bear without a weapon in their hands. If there is such a person, I'd suspect that the bear slapped his dumb ass down and had a snack afterwards. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

The Limbaugh Courthouse is on the other side of the state in Cape Girardeau, Mo.. The new court here in Mt. Vernon is the Lawrence County Justice Center, Judicial Circuit 39. I went in there a few weeks ago, thinking that the offices from the old court building were moved, to pay personal property tax. The place is freaking huge. You could fit four houses the size of mine in the lobby alone. The building was very much close to vacant. There were a few people in there. They don't hold a lot of court there. Most cases are just traffic. Some small time drug cases. Nothing to justify the cost. I was able to find out that non of the offices from the old building were moved and then crossed the road to the old court to pay my taxes. There were, maybe, 10 cars in the new courts parking lot. Major waste of money spent in an extremely poor county. Lawrence county is a GOP hotbed. Near 80% of the residents are registered republicans. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

He has, huh? Has he spent 20 years going to their church and listening to the sermons about God Damn Overthrow America, or something? Still waiting on some proof of that, too - you'd think he would have taken it for a trial run over the last decade if it were true. A five year old child has better reading comprehension than you do. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Considering the most dangerous animals are humans I guess it's stupid to go ... anywhere. Only true when armed with a weapon. Without, we're pretty low on the food chain. Good reason to stay away from cannibals. I steer clear of people named Hannibal. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I sure would, if they use the money much in the way that the mega-churches do. Preachers like Schuller, Joyce Meyer, Billy Graham (outed in 1977 hiding 23M), Ned Graham, Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen (... the list would eat up way to much bandwidth to continue listing) take and use to support their huge salaries and lavish lifestyles. These groups bilk the poor and gullible. A church that owns private jets and mansions for the personal use of its leader should not be enjoying the tax free status that the smaller churches that actually use the donations to help people do. It's your tax dollars. If you don't like it, rally against it. Note, I do agree with you that far too much waste is spent to build Taj Mahal type buildings in government. If you don't like it, do what I do, write letters to your congressman/woman. On county and State projects, either vote for or against. here in Lawrence County, MO. millions were spent on a new court building. The old court could had been refurbished for less. The old building was then refurbished and is being used. Hundreds of thousands of dollars of emergency funds were used to upgrade (?) the jail. What did they do? they painted the cells pink. http://www.hometowndailynews.com/local_news.php?id=4717 Funds would had been put to better use to add a jail addition to the court building. The existing jail is still an old, ram-shackled building and a drain on the county as it has yet to be filled from other counties overcrowding problems. Neighboring Greene County has been in the news recently pushing for an extension to their facilities. This article is from last March. http://articles.ky3.com/2011-03-21/new-jail_29172920 Too much waste. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

You support the New Apostolic Reformation? A group that preaches hate! A group that supports the take over of the U.S. government! A group that is widely considered to be a cult! How can any person, in their right mind, support a cult? "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

http://news.yahoo.com/crystal-cathedral-bankruptcy-sale-sparks-bidding-war-013954680.html It amazes me that a religion can take 50 million dollars of tax free money and use it to bid on a building. Money that should be used to feed and clothe the poor whom they claim to help. These people have no shame. Quote from the article: "I believe with every fiber of my being that God turned the eyes of the world on Crystal Cathedral because God wants to make a big bold statement," Sheila Coleman, director of ministry at the church and the daughter of Schuller, said during the service. "He wants the world to know that he is a God who still does miracles," she said. WOW, just WOW! This woman is in need of a psychiatrist. She is beyond delusional. It is far beyond time to end the tax free status that these so called churches enjoy. They amount to nothing more than a scam and are bilking the fools who blindly follow them. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Considering the most dangerous animals are humans I guess it's stupid to go ... anywhere. Only true when armed with a weapon. Without, we're pretty low on the food chain. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Then you agree that I made no such claim? Say what you mean, don't make implications. No need, I was a 4.0 student in all of my English classes. The English department at Pitt State suggest that I should focus on a degree in such. Really wished that I had. Thermites of varying classes of composition make for really cool pyrotechnics and pretty darn good welds on rail. He has aligned himself with a fringe religious group that has a history of preaching hate and government take-over. One should be concerned of his true agenda. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I never made no such claim. Your level of comprehension is far below par for the course. Never fear, I'm here to help you along. http://www.edhelper.com/ReadingComprehension.htm Go easy on yourself. Start with the easy stuff and work your way up. You should read more. I heard of these people years ago. But then, I am the type that likes to read everything. Not rumor, nor is it hearsay. Did you not see the prayer meeting he had with this group? You should investigate, for yourself, the agenda that this group is proposing, before you comment on what you do not know. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

He is the governor of Texas. A snowball has a better chance of surviving in a blast furnace, than Perry does being elected President. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Again, another idiotic comment from Mike Neal. (Not a PA, merely an observation as to the nature of the comment.) From the mouth of a nut job: Number five. We need to understand the full scope of the word, “workplace.” The thing about apostles is, every apostle soon learns that God not only gives the apostle the gift of apostle, but that God also assigns the apostle a sphere, or more than one, or spheres. And you know what? Apostles have incredible authority, but that authority only applies to their sphere. If they get outside of their sphere, they don’t have any more authority than anybody else in the body of Christ, and Paul writes about that in 2 Corinthians 10… I don’t have time to go through half of 2 Corinthians 10, is on that. But here’s what I’m saying about the workplace, when we begin to identify the apostles in the workplace, we also need to recognize that part of analyzing the workplace, which is quite complex, is there are different spheres in the workplace, and there will be apostles raised up in the different spheres of the workplace. There’ll be apostles raised up in religion, apostles raised up for the family, for education, for government, for media, for arts, for business, for all these different spheres in the workplace. So that’s the scope of workplace. We have a lot of work to do. And somebody said, you know, I could never be happier being alive right now. Neither can I. I mean, this is going to be fun! Seeing it all come into play! And then, here’s what’s going to make it the most fun and this is the point number six. I told you there were six points, ok? And this is the last one, this is the longest one, so I’ll let you write this down because it’s very important. We need to be fully aware of the two strategic gates for the advance of the kingdom of God that will be opened through the ministry of apostles in the workplace. Now I said that slow so you get that down because I really worked on choosing these words. This is well thought out. [Repeats point six.] Now I tell you another thing, these two gates, I tell you everybody, are not going to be opened otherwise. Only with apostles in the workplace. Now when I say two gates it sort of reminds you of the gates of hell. God said, Jesus said, “I’ll build my church and the gates of hell are not going to prevail against it, and I’ll give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven to open these gates.” These apostles in the workplace are the ones that are going to come into the picture and with them we’ll be open these gates, without them we can have all the prayer meetings we want, all the marches for Jesus we want, all the prayer walking we want, the gates aren’t going to be opened. Because it takes a government to overthrow a government. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/arise.html Are you a member of this group? Have you read any of their delusional ramblings? Hopefully, most Americans are smart enough to not let someone like Perry into the highest office. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Your comprehension is lacking. No where did it say that they force people to worship in their church. What it did say is would force all of us to worship. Comprehension is an aid to understanding what is being said. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Reverend "God Damn America" Wright, Bill "We didn't go far enough" Ayers and Father Michael "Snuffy" Pfleger, are nut jobs as well, but the New Apostolic Reformation goes beyond anything those guys are. If the NAR had it their way, they would bring back the inquisition five folds (no pun intended. well, maybe just a little.) Check these people out. http://www.apologeticsindex.org/722-new-apostolic-reformation These people make the New Evangelicals look like choirboys. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I would much rather an Atheist be in office. No religious influence of any kind. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Seems the Texas Observer is down at the moment. Here's a link to Mad Mike with part of the story, http://madmikesamerica.com/2011/07/texas-observer-rick-perrys-army-of-god/ Perry and his army of nut jobs are as dangerous as any militant Muslim. If a person like Perry ever got to the highest office, jihad on America would be the last thing to worry about. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Can't blame the people for refusing to be Purina Bear Chow®, either. I'm someone had a gun and was able to use it as this could had been far worst than it was. Sad event for the people and the bear. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

By all accounts, they were in the wrong place at the worst time. Someone failed to do their research beforehand. From info at a Svalbard website, bears outnumber people. The bears were there first and the locals appear to respect the fact that they are below the bears on the food chain. Can't blame the bear for doing what it has always done. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

[BLUE]FOR GOD'S SAKE I NEVER SAID COOPER JUMPED AY PYRAMID Lake - JUST THAT WE PASSED THE ROAD TO PYRAMID Lake AND WHAT DUANE TOLD ME ABOUT PYRAMID Lake AND THE PE0PLE WHO LIVED THERE AND HE TALKED ABOUT JUMPERS. I HAVE NOT INTERTAINED THE IDEA THAT COOPER JUMPED IN THAT AREA.[/BLUE] I might get lost in a crowd, but I sure as hell am not stupid...I do know how to read! Pyramid was a suggestion by others and I listened and thought about "what if",, but I did not buy into it. To clarify, I, not Jo, brought up the idea that he may have jumped somewhere in the area before Reno. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

True. From what I have read, the campers were in an area known for polar bears and during a time with food being scarce. The fault lies with the people who arranged this outing. I do feel for those who were injured and for the person killed. They probably had little idea what they were walking into. I'm also sorry for the bear. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

In defense for the bear, the bear was only doing what a bear does in his environment, his home. The campers were the intruders. They had zero reason to be where they were. The bear had every reason to be where it was. People need to stay out of places that they have no reason to be. Due to the stupidity of these people, one is dead, four are injured, and a bear is killed. No sympathy for those who go where they have no business being. More sympathy for the animal that was killed in its own home. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

From Wiki: Statute of limitations In 1976 discussion arose over impending expiration of the statute of limitations on the hijacking. Most published legal analysis agreed that it would make little difference, as interpretation of the statute varies considerably from case to case and court to court, and a prosecutor could argue that Cooper had forfeited immunity on any of several valid technical grounds. The question was rendered moot in November when a Portland grand jury returned an indictment against "John Doe, aka Dan Cooper" for air piracy and violation of the Hobbs Act. In effect the indictment formally initiated prosecution of the hijacker that can be continued, should he be apprehended, at any time in the future. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Jo, You can forget Pyramid Lake since it is northeast of the Reno airport. Just a handful of miles north of the Red Bluff, CA airport, the airliner turned and flew directly to the Reno airport. Thanks for that. Still possible that he waited to jump somewhere closer to Reno. Personally, I don't think anyone will ever know for sure where he exit the plane at. I hope, whoever he was, he made it. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young