matthewcline

...and just to add. We have to remember that christians are very much a part of this this democracy as citizens of the united states. They have every right to express their opinion and vote against anything that would violate their conscience...So it's probably in the best interest of the gay community to not ask us to do so. Aren't these Christians also Citizens of the United States? Why the distinct separation of Christians and Citizens of the United States? Aren't Christians just a subset of the larger Citizens of the United States? Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

Baja Mexico to be precise! And don't forget the lunch box with the liver and onions sandwich! Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

Why? it is two parts of one fable. It is ALL supposedly the word of god as relayed by third parties. Matt Yeah, it is just to much to ask. You have it all figured out. There is nothing else to learn or understand. OK. Nice none come back. Science shows the events happened, but not for the reasons the bible says. Jesus of Nazareth might be areal person, science is finding evidence of that. In the words accredited to him, says for you his followers not to judge, let God do that. You should be letting people live as they so choose, remember God gave you free will. Remember, religion is the root of all evil, for with out it, there can be no evil. Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

Damn, you are good! Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

Probably not, if you eliminate the none-science and all the fantasy, very few of use would even have a post still here. But if we can stick to the proven history, facts of science and real evidence, we have a neat thread, maybe only 200~ posts in it then. Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

She and BK will all claim you made this up, since it came from a "computer" and not sworn to by one of them. Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

Yep, look at the quotes, same quotes I used, same on the dates. But They can't be right because the guy with Alzheimer's that Jo spoke to says some thing different. November 0f 1944 the 555th was still at Bragg NC. hmmm. Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

Jo Replies: NOW did I SAY Duane was a CIA Operative stealing planes for the CIA? NO! I said Cooper not Duane. You are the one changing directions or misunderstanding. Go back and read the post. I was relaying a conversation with a man in 2006, who was questioned shortly after Cooper did his thing. A few yrs before the skyjacking this man claimed he and Cooper were employed by the CIA (by the way this man's connection are very well known). They were stealing planes in Mexico and taking them to an operation in S.America. I was told digging into this matter was NOT a WISE thing to do. Your source of information regarding the history of Smoke Jumping and the 555 and the formation of the Nickels is not the only source available. But you have maintained all along that Duane was Cooper, so which is it now? He wasn't? Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

Easier said. eliminate all overhead and you get lottery winners collecting food stamps. Want to eliminate fraud? Then you need overhead. But that's not SS's problem and the reason for it's eventual deficits. Hence my not using "eliminate" and using "cut". Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

Why? it is two parts of one fable. It is ALL supposedly the word of god as relayed by third parties. Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

If need be, after, we fix the over spending issue. Matt PS the Article is only available to registered users and subscribers, that may pose a small issue for debate. OK, you cut EVERYTHING completely except Social Security (which has its own tax base anyway), Medicare (which has its own tax anyway) and DEFENSE and still be running a huge deficit. So the only really possible, significant cut is in defense. Is that what you want? Why not SS and DOD too? Cut the none pay out part of SS and stream line DOD's budget. Plenty in DOD to trim, BILLIONS even, beyond the Millions a month in have already suggested. IMO, it all gets a fine tooth comb. Overseas spending can be educed by probably 90%. Matt Well, for starters you have tens of millions of retirees WHO VOTE and who have paid their SS tax faithfully all their working lives on the promise of a payout when they are old. The the SS trust fund is not broke anyway, and isn't projected to be for decades even if the tax or retirement age isn't raised. So SS really is not the spending problem that is causing the trouble. So sending granny to the poor house is not likely to be viewed favorably by politicians. Which is why I said "none pay out part of SS." Cut the Bureaucracy, Case officers and the bene's they get, paperwork etc. Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

Straight BK style post there Jo, well done. You two are obviously closer than the fighting here would allude to. Matt

I use bold so the points stay in context, you can take them back out, and out of context if you so choose, it doesn't make them wrong though. ============= Jo States: When I take YOUR remarks OUT of my POST I am NOT misunderstanding a damn thing. ================ Matt States: ============= Jo's Rebuttal: Duane Weber was on the ground in WA when the 555 was being trained by Derry to use his chutes and how to land with the equipment. He helped get the chutes and things out of the trees and he may have made a jump or two. Lots of guys got hurt right up front. We had the 555 on the ground and in the air with laymen, prison road workers, forestry individuals - they were running every which way. The communications and the co-ordination - and the map reading - ALL of this had to be taught to the 555's. All in various books, Duane could have bamboozled you. But it is true what the 555th did in 1945 when they go there. How the HELL do you think Duane knew the AREA without a map - even remote areas - if what the FBI claimed was true (that Duane had never been in WA.) The guys thought they were going out there to do the usual types of jobs the Black were assigned to in those days. EVERYTHING CHANGED. This was the beginning of the great civil movement and it actual took place right there in WA...what was supposed to be dirty work turned out to be a NEW Horizon for the forestry and the 555's. and then every Black Service Man who came after them. The respect of the Nation was won and it changed the future. NOW Cline if you really know anything about this at all - then you know what I have just said is true. Mostly, minus the confusion of dates, which has been our big issue, nice to see you accept the facts. I may not get dates on target, but my mind remembers things others forget. The potential the 555 created and what came later - they won WHITE supporters who admired them and who stayed in touch with each other over the yrs. Why don't you find out the names of all of the original 555's who went to WA and where each one of them went later after the Nickles were sent to Walla Walla. You forget my jumping with their association and meeting them I previously mentioned? Senario: Does NOT mean the following statement are true. One stayed in the WA area after his term was over. Do you know what he did - this man of honor shined shoes. Another went to N.Orleans - doing what he knew how to do best - make music. Only a few of these guys lived to see the recognition the Nickles received later on...only 3 of the original are alive (they may not be at this time).You say it may not be true, but it is, many did exactly those things. A few in Memphis became great Blues Artists. 377 will remember my telling about all of those patches I sold after Duane died - I did NOT know that one of those was the forefather to the new patch the guys got later on. Duane was a sentimental fool and he kept things. Jo, maybe you will understand this. Duane may have worked as a prisoner with the 555th, or actually the Forestry Service detail supporting them. I never questioned that, others have. I did point out an issue with ONE LINE in an article you quoted. The in an effort to try and tell me how I did my job for 21+ years wrong , you decided to travel this path of history while ignoring facts. Fact: 1939 the US testes Smoke Jumping. Fact:1940 The US Used Smoke Jumpers. Fact: 1945 the 555th Arrived in the NW to fight fires caused by the Japanese Fire Bombs. Theory: Duane Weber helped in the 555th's Mission in 1945. Theory: He jumped with the 555th (not too likely, given the times) Theory; ANY static line training of that time, would be transferable to a Freefall Jump. I have never hidden I do not think Duane Weber, the two bit hood, was smart enough and skilled enough to have been "Cooper". I have never failed in showing that the flaws ion that theory. Maybe this current "point" re-sparked your earlier anger at me for not backing your theory. But, I never posted an incorrect fact (TTBOMK) per the two entities web sites. All our memories fail. Matt Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

If need be, after, we fix the over spending issue. Matt PS the Article is only available to registered users and subscribers, that may pose a small issue for debate. OK, you cut EVERYTHING completely except Social Security (which has its own tax base anyway), Medicare (which has its own tax anyway) and DEFENSE and still be running a huge deficit. So the only really possible, significant cut is in defense. Is that what you want? Why not SS and DOD too? Cut the none pay out part of SS and stream line DOD's budget. Plenty in DOD to trim, BILLIONS even, beyond the Millions a month in have already suggested. IMO, it all gets a fine tooth comb. Overseas spending can be educed by probably 90%. Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

It is just fucking retarded! Facts are facts. I am baffled. Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

When I take YOUR remarks OUT of my POST I am NOT misunderstanding a damn thing. When you take my rebuttal out (censorship), and the links to the factual, and historical pages, you show how wrong you are. Jo, your focuses on this, but you're mistaken. You're the one side tracking the thread. If you're really after the truth you will be OK when it comes out and not disappointed. Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

Facts, science, and actual investigative technique, apparently are not welcome here by a few. The history stands. The facts are true. The science proven. The Investigation continues, looking for more clues. "Cooper" has got to be pissing himself, laughing at this thread grilling a little mahi mahi and drinking a cold one. Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

Straight BK style post there Jo, well done. You two are obviously closer than the fighting here would allude to. Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

If need be, after, we fix the over spending issue. Matt PS the Article is only available to registered users and subscribers, that may pose a small issue for debate. An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

OH! if that is true why were YOUR statements about the Triple Nickels SO FAR OFF? They're nothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/555th_Parachute_Infantry_Battalion_%28United_States%29 I will use my energy to bring make my old files public - and in doing so HOPE there is something there that will someday bring this case to a close...if it has NOT already done so.

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You may be surprised (or not) how close Amazon and I's "interest" in this thread are. You may also be surprised (or not) how closely our knowledge and experience in this particular skill set is. You may also be surprised (or not) to learn I am as real a jumper as she. I hope you're feeling better. I would think you would wish to put your energies into your relaxation and recovery. I do wish you a quick and healthy recovery. Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

This has to be the post of the year! I know it is early but even BK can't top this! (Where is old "Fable Spinner 6" these days? I hope he is OK) Jo, your a bit off tonight, maybe take a few days away from this as relax. If your health is bad app;ly the energy you need for fighting there! WE all understand and hope it works out that you feel better! Amazon let me know I was off base? I think I need to reread he PM then, 'cause that was not what I understood. Decoy? Hardly. I know who I am dealing with, you might not though. And I worked "with" not "for". Rest, feel better and I am sure this will look different later. I hope your health improves. Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

Jo your facts are false, or maybe you misunderstood. So now Duane is a CIA Operative stealing planes for the CIA? Who is changing the direction of the thread now? AN yof these so called reputable old timers you mention can always show me a fact that shows me to be wrong in what history shows to have been recorded as fact. Of course they will have to get the logs and records from old McCarthy Hall for much of it. But the two links I gave you arr the two official web sites, seems your beef is with them, not me. I pissed you off? laughable. I disputed a line in an article you quoted. You said you do not know any thing about "sky jumping", your own words, I clarified it for you, it doesn't support your claims maybe, I do not know. And the 555 history and your telling aren't the same. I will take the history they have posted on their web page, and that is archived by the US Army Airborne School, the folks who trained the 555th PIR how to jump initially. "Old Timers", nice play on words. Sadly more may suffer from it than we think. Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!

In this industry it happens a lot as well. They get past it with the school credit stuff, just like other industries. But the small franchise owned fast food shop had to make a decision. Slower service with less employees, to make ends meet. Matt An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!!