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Post photos of your last vacation to the beach so that we can determine if we are "allowed" to forgive Nah... I wouldn't want you to "know" whether I'm in the "messed up" or the "ugly" population of women Better to just keep you guessing. And... any that have met me or seen pics - SHHHHHHHHHH! Remember - I'M NORMAL.

Now, I apologize if I have offended or made you feel defensive. Good luck with your theories.

Those are the stats that are frequently quoted: However, if you look closely at the study that quote the numbers that high, you will see some errors with the study. Rape Statistics: 1 in 4? But even that review has it's bias and I don't think their 1:14 is correct either. I got my numbers from National Institute of Justice Centers for Disease Control and Prevention On page 2 Admittedly: I did take some liberty in the numbers though. I converted the 18% (which most people don't like to think about numbers like that - "18% - what does that mean?") to a "1 in x" The x was actually 5.555555555555555, but I chose to round it up to 1:6.

I honestly did understand your ignorance - and I'm NOT saying that as an insult or a personal attack, rather that you most likely have less personal and professional knowledge / experience with the topic of rape. Personal experience aside, my professional careers have included being a labor and delivery/ER nurse and then as an OB/Gyn physician. With that background, I have a different perspective. At first, I didn't want to "attack" you for that comment. It's understandable to try to find a reason why the women that you've been with have been "messed up" AND rape would be a significant confounding variable. But I just didn't want to continue the quiet consent of that as a "excuse." Studies have shown that 1:6 women have been raped (and even as frequent as 1:3 have experienced sexual assault/molestation at some point) But it's not just the "beautiful" ones. You have just had a biased sample set. (if you've found that a "huge percentage" of the beautiful women that you have dated have been raped) Also, just because a female has had a bad experience in her past doesn't guarantee that she will be "messed up." But, back to your experience, part of your sample bias might be where you are meeting these women. Another part might be how you are presenting yourself to them. If you are projecting yourself in a role as a "protector" or a "saver", then yes, you will seem to attract more women that WANT to be protected and saved. And the women that prefer to take care of themselves will naturally select themselves out of that population. Maybe you find that less independent female to be more "beautiful." I might be off base on this, but I would recommend that if you want less of that co-dependant type relationship, my first suggestion would be to examine how you interact with women. I'm not saying "don't be a gentleman." Rather, don't try to fix her world. Don't encourage her to be dependent. Try to establish more of an equal relationship. and... as a side note: if you want to role play, as several have pointed out that "rape fantasy" can be "normal" fetish... make sure you have and respect what ever safe word you and her establish.

right ill bite on this if you leave aside the fact that one rape is too much what, to you, constitutes a 'huge percentage' Although I was offended by that statement, I chose to just ignore that. It just showed to me his lack of understanding about the truth of rape issues. He believes that only the beautiful women are raped or that it is a lust issue. Would pointing out the truth change anything? I chose to be superficial about the "not important" part of the thread.... rather than try to educate someone about something that is truly important. Right or wrong, I didn't want to have someone with minimal or no knowledge about the true trauma of rape telling me that I was wrong. Because this is the bonfire, I wanted to just keep it lighter. But... you are right and lets go there. Rape is an act of VIOLENCE AND POWER, not passion. It's an attempt to hurt and humiliate, using sex as the weapon. Rapists act without considering their victim's physical appearance, dress, age, race, gender, or social status. Assailants seek out victims who they perceive to be vulnerable. If you want to learn more or even verify my statements: List of RAPE MYTHS - Sociology of Rape. University of Minnesota Duluth

Although I understood exactly what parallels you were establishing, I don't think that the OP was truly trying to be "ridiculous" with the initial post. He was wondering about his personal experience and even stated "I am not propounding this as a universal constant." as the first thing in his initial post. OTHERS in this thread though are just using it as further justification of their superior beliefs founded on shallow principles and personal bias. In those cases, it's a slim chance that ANYONE (male or ugly/bitchy female) would be able to teach them logic. Their argument is NOT based on truth values. It's based on "I'm right and you're just a [insert] beautiful and fucked up girl [/insert] / OR [insert] ugly girl that no one would want to date anyway [/insert]" Laws of Boolean algebra don't apply to such ignorant arguments.

I was thinking all that too!

Best of luck to you and best of skill to your cardiac surgeon. Keep that outlook during recovery! Positive! Absolutely POSITIVE!

WOW! Help me understand what you're saying, mkay. So you're generalizing HALF the species to a population of "herd animals"? But... ONLY the half you don't belong to. Men of course CAN function as individuals, but NOT women. By this post, I think that I could argue a corollary: that men CAN'T play in society. They can't consider the population as a whole or even look outside their narcissistic personality. But we know that theory is wrong. Look at all the great leaders that DID actually happen to be male, that DID integrate their "lone wolf" persona into a functioning member of a collective. But... THEY were respected and revered. NOW, lets look at what happens when WOMEN have tried to step out of that shallow belief. Hmmmm.... Salem Witch Trials? Those women were HANGED for being individuals. And how many women in the past were martyred for "non-herd" beliefs? You list individual names of men to prove your theory, but then completely dismiss and future comments from the other side of the argument with a " I don't care" and a "doesn't mean dick all." This ignoratio elenchi doesn't really even discuss whether beautiful women are messed up... it just claims that all women, beautiful AND ugly, are cows (no offense, Lisa

I think naturally beautiful women, are normal. Just like the plain Janes. It's the ones that feel the need to spend all of their time trying to make themselves look like what they believe is beautiful that have issues. True beauty is on the inside.

A redhead drawn bad.... I know several men (even some on this forum) that would be MORE than willing to let her beat them (and then... there are those that KNOW better and would rather RUN away!!!) wit and wordplay don't always impress the crowds (but... every play that I've gone to at The Globe has been sold out - can every titty bar say that?)

I think Jessica Rabbit would win... she's BAD!

Try here: http://www.aacr.org/home/survivors--advocates/information-about-support-groups,-clinical-trials,-financial-help-and-fundraising/how-to-find-financial-aid-and-advice.aspx [copy and pasted] How to Find Financial Aid and Advice A diagnosis of cancer is never easy, but it can be even more stressful when you’re struggling to pay for costly treatments and medications. For some patients, the financial burden is apparent at diagnosis, while for others, it builds up over the course of years of treatment. If you’re not sure where to turn for financial help, read on: There are government, nonprofit and private resources available—and people who can help you sort through the options. Patients are often embarrassed to discuss financial issues, but they need to reach out. “People [need] to speak up before cancer becomes a tremendous financial crisis,” says Jane Levy, the director of Patient Assistance Programs for CancerCare, a national patient advocacy and support organization. One place to start is with government programs. Medicaid provides health insurance for low-income individuals and families who meet its requirements. Since Medicaid laws vary from state to state, you’ll want to visit the Medicaid website to learn how the program operates in your state, says Levy. Patients with cancer may also qualify for Social Security disability benefits. Not all cancer patients are considered disabled, but those with advanced cancer are sometimes considered disabled by Social Security’s definition. Another place to turn is your local hospital, where you may find programs that are available for uninsured and underinsured patients. The federal government’s Hill-Burton program provides funds to hospitals for free or low-cost services for low-income families. Most hospitals have financial counselors or a business office that may be able to help patients understand financial options, says Levy. It’s also a good idea to visit a hospital social worker, who could help you determine what assistance programs your hospital offers. Your hospital social worker can also help you understand your options and find other resources in your community. Not all individuals qualify for government or low-income assistance, but there are many nonprofit and private organizations that provide financial aid and advice to patients facing cancer. CancerCare, for example, offers patients a number of support services, including financial assistance, says Levy. It provides small grants for medically related services, such as treatment and medication, and also works with organizations such as the Avon Foundation and Susan G. Komen for the Cure to offer generous grants for women with breast cancer. In addition to these grants, CancerCare social workers can help patients find assistance beyond CancerCare, including resources from state agencies and state-run treatment funds. The Patient Advocate Foundation is another national organization that helps cancer patients deal with the financial difficulties of their illnesses. “We assist patients with chronic, debilitating or life-threatening illnesses….with [gaining] access to care,” says Cynthia Hucks, the executive vice president of patient service programs at the Patient Advocate Foundation. Among its support activities, the foundation runs the Co-Pay Relief Program, which assists insured patients with breast, lung and prostate cancer cover the costs of their prescription co-pays. Beyond its co-pay program, the Patient Advocate Foundation matches patients with case managers who can help patients explore other resources and insurance issues, such as denied claims, says Donna McQuistian Sternberg, the former executive vice president of patient services at the Patient Advocate Foundation. The organization also maintains a network of lawyers, the National Legal Resource Network, which can help patients who feel they have wrongly been denied coverage. For help covering the cost of prescription drugs, patients can also contact the Partnership for Prescription Assistance. Made up of pharmaceutical companies, health care providers and advocacy groups, the partnership helps patients without prescription coverage obtain low-cost and free medicine. Aside from medical and prescription coverage, many cancer patients face other financial needs during cancer treatment. Several national organizations can assist you with practical support, such as transportation, cost-of-living expenses and wigs. For instance, the American Cancer Society (ACS) operates local offices throughout the nation that patients can contact to explore various types of assistance. The United Way, like the ACS, also has locations in communities throughout the United States that can help patients find local services. Because it is has an international scope, the United Way is also a good resource for people living outside the United States. In addition to organizations like the ACS and the United Way, which help people who are affected by any type of cancer, there are national groups that assist people with specific types of cancer, such as the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society, or who fall into particular patient populations. One place to find these organizations is on our website’s list of support and advocacy groups. Many local programs can also help you with non-medical expenses such as rent and child care. In many cases, cancer patients may be more likely to find non-medical assistance through these local organizations than national ones, says Donna Duncan, the executive director of the Linda Creed Breast Cancer Foundation in Philadelphia. The Linda Creed foundation, for example, maintains an emergency assistance fund that provides non-medical financial aid for qualified women in the Philadelphia region who are undergoing breast cancer treatment. In Oklahoma, patients with brain tumors can find financial help through the Oklahoma Brain Tumor Foundation. A good way to find resources that are available in your state is by searching the Patient Advocate Foundation’s State by State Financial Resource Guide. Cancer can be a very expensive illness, and it’s important to find out what resources are available to you. If you’re concerned about the cost of your treatment, contacting an organization or a social worker for advice can help keep your financial concerns from becoming a financial crisis. – Alanna Kennedy Organizations and programs mentioned in this article: American Cancer Society Avon Foundation CancerCare Hill-Burton program The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society Linda Creed Breast Cancer Foundation Medicaid Oklahoma Brain Tumor Foundation Partnership for Prescription Assistance Patient Advocate Foundation Social Security Susan G. Komen for the Cure United Way Additional organizations to contact about financial aid or advice include: CancerAndCareers.Org The Center for Patient Partnerships Corporate Angel Network Health Resources and Services Administration Lymphoma Research Foundation Sarcoma Alliance For more information on groups that might provide financial assistance, see the list of support and advocacy groups on the Survivors and Advocates website. If you find an old or broken link, please let us know by sending an e-mail to advocacy@aacr.org. March 11, 2008

Doesn't sound like a bad weekend at all! My weekend has been mostly LOVELY! Thank you for asking.

I don't think you need to get defensive with Conundrum. You asked a question; She gave her thoughts. They differ from yours. That's ok on BOTH sides. No need to get annoyed with her opinions. Remember... it's just the internets, and dizzy.com at that. Now.... are you going to comment on MY questions?

Arch, watch altitude, pull . . . repeat as necessary. Welcome back.

LIKE!

The other thing to take into consideration in this "poll" is about the value of a dollar and the value of sex. In discussing "The Dollar." I'm going to quote a favorite book of mine: "Money is a tool of exchange." If you are considering the dinner to be a payment expecting an exchange, what do you expect from this exchange? The honest answer is "sex" (or "services" of some sort) So lets talk more about this "exchange" For some gentlemen, $200 is a substantial portion of his monthly budget (maybe over a months worth in groceries), while for others it might represent his "entertainment" monies for a weekend at the "club." But why consider JUST "The Dollar." What about time? What if he spends HOURS talking with her about skydiving in a teaching (not SkyGod) manner... doesn't drop a penny, but basically teaches her the SIM. How much time is too much for sex? What about "services" that he might provide? Like helping fix things in her house/car? (AND.... what if SHE actually has the 4wd truck with the Vortec 6.0L V8 and the Z85 Handling/Trailering suspension that actually pulls YOUR honda out of the ditch?) Now the "services" on her part (the sex).... are we talking intimacy and a REAL GROWNUP relationship or just sex cuz you can't take care of "needs" in the bathroom with a magazine? AND... what is the "price difference" between the two situations? Finally, before I can truly apply the results of this poll, there should be some comment made to address the sampling error and bias of this specific population. afterall .... we ARE skydivers. One jump is approx $25 (in the US... specifically at Elsinore) So... after 8 jumps, is the natural exchange a "jump"?

Updated/Corrected Golden Knights Link

That might really help!! Not cuz you're acting all weak, vulerable and wussie; rather... what if she has a limp from a not so stylin landing

Tell 'em it's a request from the Free Clinic. Or... that your lawyer mentioned that it would be better for defending the paternity suits if you had a proper documentation of the events of the night. Picture this: On Judge Judy today: Plaintiff - Poor sweet looking girl in a school girl outfit holding a 3mos old lil ankle biter. Defense - Skydiver with a computerized log "Your Honor, I argue that I can NOT be her baby-daddy. I have proof here in My Uranus. 1 year ago today, I was with [redacted name of hottie #1], [redacted name of hottie #2], [redacted name of hottie #3] and [redacted of hottie #4] - it was a GREAT WEEKEND AT [redacted name of dropzone]. You can clearly see that I was with the plaintiff approx 18 months ago and the prop didn't turn back to her again until 6 months ago.... when she would have been 12 w along. So instead of accusing me, I believe you should check HER Uranus."

No RTF kits? (on a side note, there might be a strong possibility that those type of accessories for "Unmaned Aircraft Systems" might not be considered legal by the FAA soon. It might be just line of sight and no GPS)

Thank you for your sacrifice, commitment and service. Thank you for going above and beyond during your years - may you understand how important you were to so many.

Nope... No bursted bubbles here