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right swooping wihout a digital alti how are you supposed to learn and develop your swoop and when o start your turn. right by guessing. baby swoopers brian germain says to learn to swoop without a digital is like russian roulette. anyone says you should learn to use your eyes and not use a digital alti is foolish. you dont develop your altitute awarness by guessing, 300 ft 400 ft how can you tell. you dont jump without an alti and pro swoopers use digital alti's. so new swoopers dont not listen to these that have gave bad advicem you cn not even safly begin to swoop with out knowledge of an exact altitute do not guess you cant tell 300 from 500 and your alti master 3 is not reliable. dont use your new eyes they are not releiable your eyes will be trained if they have an exact point of reference. Practice your turns up high to get an idea how far you dive your canopy in say a 90 and then apply that to your starting point. but always watching how your canopy planes out. dont listen to these guys split hairs on this get brian germains book the canopy and the pilot adn dont use your eyes use every tool at your disposal. i know guys who use their eyes and are also making hardly any progress. its not a macho thing to rely on your untrained eyes its stupid. swooping is technical as flying a fighter jet and the thunderbirds use all their intruments its not their life that may be in danger its yours.

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anuary 02, 2007 ã…¡ An American was killed in Gangneung and 21 others slightly injured in Seoul as revelers all across Korea greeted the New Year and the first sunrise. In Gangneung, Gangwon province, a 36-year-old English teacher, Dangelo Albert Carl, from the United States died after his motorized paraglider crashed into the water at Gyeongpo beach at 7:50 a.m. yesterday, police said. The teacher at a middle school in Yecheon, North Gyeongsang province, was rescued by a Donghae Coast Guard ship about 8 a.m. after getting reports from witnesses who were watching the sunrise, the Coast Guard said. Mr. Carl was taken to a hospital where he died at 9:25 a.m. Police said Mr. Carl was flying alone to photograph the sunrise, along with three Korean members of a paragliding club in other aircraft who safely landed on the ground. Police believe Mr. Carl crashed due to an operational mistake.

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good points. with out a digital is russian roulette i have both. and use my learning eyes and watch where i am going. traffic dictates everything of lower jumpers and the right of way. consistancy is important if you go out and try something and then you say i have to do a bigger turn or lower turn. thats what i am talkking about consistancy. i have done 180 and planed out atr 20-30 18 times in a row once. i didnt change a thing i consentrated on diving the canopy a little more. i dont want baby swoppers like me get mad and say ill do it lower or a bigger turn. i just do a slight fine tune everytime and now i am working on 180 at a set altitute. 350-330 arouund. i dont rely on my digital its a reference for which to start and my alti also but its a hell of a tool and a hell of a safety factor and as your eyes learn its the best way to go. i know guys that think they have to learn with their eyes and use no tool. i would ask hey dude how high were you when you started that turn- they say i am not sure 300-400 wow you dont know?? and they did a single froint riser and planed out too high so i say hey whats your plan for the next swoop?? are you going to do exactly the same thing but try to dive a little harder?? they say naaa i am going double fronts to see what that will do for me. then i see them almost skipping off the ground. you have to have a method, a standard, your own program and progression and stick to it. you have to work on constant swopps of course no swoop is the same but dont do a 180 one swoop and the next swoop do a 270. hhave some plan and stick to it. and no matter how fustrated you get modify the plan a hair. do everrything small. temptation is a bitch resist it and relize the learning curve is long. if you take it slow and take it at your pace with coaching you will progress faster then you can imagine andd your less likly to get hurt. if you go at it fast jump ahead have no plan no method then you will not make much progress oh you will have a few nice swoops time and again and you will likely get hurt or even injured. this is like piloting a plane you have to it one step at a time too fast and no progress or even injury. thanks for your post though i want you to understand i am a infant swooper who is doing quite well and taking my time, my skills are progressing nicely and i am getting a good feel for it and i havent shit my pants yet, but i am trainging how to practice bail outs. it doesnt take courage it takes a long learned skill. when i dive my canopy i am not scared at all i am focused on my plane out and how the ground looks and should look. youmust not push it no matter your percieved progress you get nothing from jumping ahead. disipline to take it slow!!!!!!!!!!

our good friend and brother died in south korea in a paragliding accident. albert de angelo hell of a video guy and a great friend and has family from dz in florida, new york, italy and around the world. aparently albert loaded extra weight to film a new years day sunrise paraglide off a mountian in south korea expereinced some sort of canopy issue and it colapsed and albert impacted. does anyone have any details about our skydiver friend who is also a para glider???

I cant emphasize enough about taking your time and forcing yourself to go slow. i wear the digital alti everytime to set up i do the exact same front riser dive method the same and i start it the same exact altitude. consistancy and sticking to the plan. if you walk out there and say your going to do a 180 at the pea pit at 320 at half breaks do your best to do that to the t. if you level out 30 ft too high dont lower your starting altitute to say 290 keep at the altitute do nothing lower work on more effiecent and deeper dives. baby steps baby steps!!!!! its imortant to be exact everytime and work on it from there. little by little. its so easy to level out and swoop perfectly well and think you will do that every time. you wont . also dont try to go higher and faster either you have to forcefully take your time and progress one step at a time i dont care how good you are. its like learning the force luke. you come in faster you have to learn how to see the ground at that speed and how to adjust and the faster you come in the more flare you have and you just touch the breaks or risers and you plane out to high or go back up in the air 20 ft and say ohhhh shit. also read germains book its like a bible of flight. just make a new years resolution to take baby swooping slowly. the great equalizer in this sport is anyone can do anything. my son was sit flying in 20 jumps it took me 50 and 30 minutes of tunnel. so if you take your time and step by step andn down size slowly and make small adjustments and dont push it. i have learned swooping is not a thing of courage. you dont just dive your canopy till you scare the shit out of yourself and then pull out. its a very technical and prescise sport that must be learned slowly. slow is fast and you will be amazed at how fast you will progress. i am allready making giant strides by forcing myself to go slow. i cant imagine if i pushed it and used just pure courage. my long point is take it slow and you will be swooping bettere and better and after 6 months you wont believe it. i know guys with no methoud no brain no tactic who are making no progress and several have been hurt.

hey i am sorry, my son has a 119 and i need a 139 to make it back on long spots. so thats what i am looking for right now i have a 149 in my contanior right now i am demoing this weeks so i need a 139 and then ill buy a brand new 129 from the factory. thanks for think of me.

no i recomend a sabre or a pilot for now i was pointing out that one day if he is ready for a katana his stileto time will help him deal with other canopies. i recomend he fly a sabre safire or pilot right now and get rid of the stileto. the turn slower, they are safer and can be swooped longer then a stileto at least inmy hands. so i think this poster should fly a canopy where he can start on and be a great begining swoop canopy one day. i think the stileto isnt that canopy ( a bit of behind of times )

sounds like you and i are in the same boat as far as performnce technique and wing loading on the crossfire i am trying to slow my turns also

i assure you i am flying crossfire 139 129 and occasionly my sons crossfire 1 119. i am doing a strict 180 at 350 with the 139 and 425 ft with a 129. this is a research poll but in no was is it the basis for my methods. i am a baby swooper and am taking it slowly with baby steps and baby advances. i am trying to understand the mechanics of swooping form my level to the level some of you are at with lodaing 2.3 and swoops starting at 1100ft. the more i understand swopping and canopy flight the safer i am. learning the dynamics of pro swoop helps give me the understanding and the path. everyone started somewhere its just amazing to me how fast some of you come in. i am years away but slowly moving frward

well try all you can some of these other canopies are awesome but are not for everyone but the crossfire could be for anyone. very user friendly but capable of high performance.

I have demo’s the Nitro Katana Cobalt Crossfire1 Crossfire2 Typhoon Diablo Stiletto Vision Samurai Rage Jedi Fire bolt Mamba Crossfire 1 159, 139, 119 Crossfire 2 169, 149, 139, 129, 119 Of all the canopies I have decided on the Crossfire 2 series. I think the Katana was the hardest fastest diving canopy but the crossfire2 wasn’t far behind. The katana has great flare but hard for me to figure out smoothly. I thought the crossfire2 had a bit better glide then the katana. The crossfire was so easy to land for me at any speed and also the dives seem to be easily managed and I could just see and feel where the canopy was going. The katana is just too much for my skill level and comfort level. If you have a crossfire loaded and want to go one step on your way to cross brace I would guess the katana be a good stop on that journey. I found that the Fire bolt and rage felt like a crossfire to me but not as fast and with a little less flare both are great canopies. The vision open crazy but soft and it planes out of the dive to quickly. The cobalt to me and the nitro felt close to each other both way better then the vision but not as fast as the crossfire as for diving and swooping. Both turn very quick and are sensitive like the katana. The samurai is like the Jedi but much better the both dive but the samurai is a great canopy great flare. I was close to buying one of these. Easy to flare and the glide is wow maybe the best but the crossfire seemed to glide better. Mamba was a good canopy way faster then the vision and with a better flare open ok I just thought it turned to fast for my comfort and it was hard for me to figure out the flare. So remember this is my little review. From demo’ing canopies for the last year and doing lots of research. I am an infant swooper and has 600 jumps and 4 years in the sport so I don’t know much at all. I had problems finding a used rig and finally I had one made for me and the fit was so good I felt like I was one with the rig. The crossfire2 is like that for me. I never was a great Lander and I don’t like fast turning Diablo’s but the crossfire2 and the one but the crossfire 2 to me felt like it was measure and fitted to me. I flare it perfect land it with ease and I can dive it and swoop it. I am not any natural canopy pilot so when I say if I can swoop this canopy and land it so easily anyone can do it. For the user friendly and all the performance with the best damn openings, awesome glide, power flare, easy flare, easy to control carve, the crossfire 2 is my choice for now. Some of these other canopies are either out of my skill level comfort level or I am brain-dead on flying them. But if I swoop a crossfire2 119 the best distance I have done at 1.7 wing loading and do it with ease, then I fly the katana 120 and it scares the crap out of me and I land it like crap then you see my point. It’s not the katana it’s me. So the best fit for me was #1 Crossfire2, #2 Crossfire, #3 Samurai, #4 Nitro & Cobalt, #5 Mamba. The fastest was #1 Katana, #2 Crossfire2, #3 Crossfire, #4Nitro #5 Cobalt Remember consider the source this is just my review.

i can only say wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i flwe a crossfire2 119 did a slow 180 at 475 ft. i weigh 185 so the dive is long but i can still see where i am going and where to plain out. but i can not imagine doing more then a 180 and at any higher altitute and at any higher wing loadig and at any higher speed. i am hunting a crossfire2 139 now since i have gone up and down and need to make it back on bad spots i need to fly the 139 and wok on my effiency accuracy and squeezing the safe speed out of that for a long time safely if i can ever move on. seriously if i ever move on. i am a beginer swooper and do ok and very safe but i can not imagine doing the manuevers and methods you guys use. the skill and the precsision you guys have. hats off to you guys. thanks for the input it helps me and i can apply what you guys do on a much smaller level. one thing though i use my eyes to look at my diital alti very strickly i am methodical and i slowly adjust i dont go to a 270 i just do 180's but i i wonder if my eyes will ever develop i cant imagine swooping with out the digital. thank you for sharring

How high do some of you start your swoop? what wing loading? what canopy? and double front riser single with harness whats your technique? i do 180 4-5 second dive on a crossfire2 149 single front riser at 320 ft around loading at 1.42 i do the same on a crossfire 2 129 but at 400 ft with some of the other front riser to slow the turn. loaded 1.57 i am getting a 139 i guess i will do 180 at around 350ft thank you for your merry indulgence responces. i am veryinterested to learn other peoples methods. merry christmas

hey i am so sorry how can i forget brians canopy the Samurai. it is an awesome canopy although i am comfortable to the crossfires both 1 or 2 series but i love the crossfire 2 better for me. but the Samurai is a great canopy you can swoop the hell out of it make it back opens great has awesome flare and glide i dont think it dives as fast or hrd as a crossfire and its an easy cnopy to land. so yeah try a Samurai!!!!!!!!!!!! i am partial to a crossfire2

you dont load it out too much but if your wanting to swoop i think the stileto is ok. it surns very fast and it will turn faster at 135. also if you have line twist or a break fire it will get into trouble faster giving you less time and magnifying your problems. if your wanting to swoop i thing the stileto is a good twitchy canopy and will train you for the more high performance canooies and you will be able to handle fast turns. the sttileto is a fast recovering canopy and forces a one to make a turn lower to swoop. i think if you want to start swooping i would try out a sabre 2 or a pilot or safire as your next thing i say a sabre 2 120. it wont turn as fast but it has a harder dive and a longer recovery and is a safer begining swooper canopy then the stileto. you will do dives higher and can bail out early and i believe the sabre 2 will way out swoop a stileto but i am not sure about that. at least that stileto has trained you in a high performce turning canopy that will help you when you go to a katana one day. to me the katana was like a stileto with turning and reactivness but dives like nothing i have ever flown and i fly crossfires and it will out dive a crossfire as far as katana or crossfire which one can be swooped further i think its close and up to the pilot. the crossfire and katana are the front runners in their class and are as fast as you can go with out going to a xbraced. i say demo a sabre 2 120 get brian germanins book get coaching, get a digital alti and take your time dont push let it come.

its just my experience and opinion i had a sabre 2 135 it was ok for me not a great fit to me the safire was a faster better easy to land canopy with flare to your feet i couldnt do that on my sabre with out bowtie i only flew the safire a few times but i liked it so much i demo a crossfire and loved that more. i think the safire is great the pilot is nice and there is nothing wrong with a sabre 2. i just think they are in the same league and for her to safly step up i think crossfire is logical

read the reply before mine. thats what i am talking about. some people want to start something instead of answering the girls question. wait till someone is a swamrt ass to you your helping someone else or asking a question and they write some flame post that has nothing to do with the subject then you know wtf i am talking about

Loading a crossfire 1.7 and loading the katana 1.7 the katana obviously is more eliptical and is more responcive thats what i define twitchy. the katana doesnt have trim issues it dives further and harder then the crossfire and on landing your flare has to be more precise espicialy with speed. the crossfire at 1.7 is a more docile turning canopy and isnt as reactive and when you come in fast that slower toggle input speeds up and feels good. So with a jumper moving from a safire to a crossfire isnt much of a skill jump but that same jumper gets on a katana they would be over there head first time they turned around to look at something and the canpy starts to dive or have 4 line twist and the canopy is diving towards the ground that would freek out the safire flyer. a katana is not for everyone and i dont like it thats why i didnt buy one. i loved the cobalt, nitro nitron rage and firebolt, the vision and mamba i didnt much care for. i picked the crosssfire for all the reasons that make the crossfire what it is. and no i wasnt over my head its prreference but i also dont jump canopies laoded 2.0 like you then i would be over my head. Yeah no one asked you to " get " the twitchy label either so dont worry about it. I prefer splenda in my coffee instead of sugar are you going to ponder that also? Try responding to the poster and her question like eveyone else did, i am sure with your knowledge and experince you could put her on a logical and safe canopy progresion path. You are more experinced then me. I may be the only one who will label your responce as being a smart ass, but i doubt i will be.

dave the better thing would be for you to have sold that crossfire to me damn ya anyway your big ass on a katana i am sure it went fast. the katana is awesome i have felt it in action. the katana dives great and flys fast has a big nose but doesnt seem to mean anything. its very twitchy and elicptical and the openings can be scary to me. it deosnt open like a crossfire nor fly like one but its a hell of a canopy like a little velocity sister. i have jumped a crossfire 109 i wouldnt jump a katana 109 loading both canopies makes them fly way different. anyway mr i compete 2 years and not sell my crossfire to a poor sole in florida i think the best advice is yes to demo, but the katana is in the class of crossfires but in no was is it an easy or forgiving canopy to fly. crossfire is very easy to fly and to land stay away from like the mamaba or katana until you have more jumps they are radical canopies and made me nervous when i flew them. and i flew stiletos diblo and a stealth 9 cell diablo portotype so yes demo demo demo. my point is the crossfire will feel good in your hands since you are on a safire and its not too radical to handle but it can haul ass when your ready. the katana is awesome but its more for a very advanced and comfortable and capable pilot.

safire pilot sabre 2 all good chioces and to me in the same class i had a sabre 2 135 and flew a sabre 1 150 for a few jumps. demod pilot and safire i couldnt tell what one was better. i dont know enough abouut those.

cmon mister moderator a crossfire way out performs a sabre 2 its not even close. demo a sabre 2 and just land it stright in and then demo the equal size crossfire and land straight in the crossfire will have more speed more glide and will land nicer with a flare to your feet almost you cant do that with a sabre. the crossfire is a great step up from your safire and i think you will be allready accustomed to it to me its a hot rod safire but it goes beyond that. yes sub 100 isnt a good idea stay above 100. put right now just land what you demo, begining swoops and canopy work and canopy coaching will come later. see what opens to your likeing and flys in your comfort zone and what you can land in any conditions. you can swoop anything yes the sabre 2 will swoop and in the right hands it will go fast but your safire can swoop also the next step up in performance is the crossfires katana coblalts mamba vision vengence samuri nitro nitron rage firebolt and some others. pilots sabre stileto safires they are one class done in performmnce but tony hathaway bruns down on a 120 spectre. but i have a friend with a vision that swoops just as far as tony and he has 600 jumps. once you have the canopy get brian germains book get some canopy coaching ( huge ) and talk to your swoopers at your dz. also get lots of advice on here i get awesome advice. last is fear. i had a friend at 80 jumps cut away 4 line twist. he now has 700 jumps and has had 25 times worst line twist and he gets out of them. my point is its amazing what you get used to. I dont conquer fear at all i embrace the risk, take my time and get use to the danger. i do things under canopy i never dreamed i could do. but the key is dont push force your self into baby steps and feel and learn if you push too hard you will be over your head and into the ground you wont even recognize until its too late. i have another friend who did a double front riser landing into the ground he broke his femur. he thought he was on rear riser. he pushed to hard. now he is awesome and swoops and lands great.

OMG dont go to a sabre 2 thats going backwords a safire is a far better choice but now go to the next size down crossfire2 you will find its like a high performance safire but its nothing you cant handle. it dives alot more less drag great glide super openings great flare and you can dead stop it unlike a sabre 2 in no wind i can on a crossfire loaded 1.5 to a crawl. the crossfire doesnt turn very fast like stiletos or diablos so if yo love to spin to your dizzy this canopy doesnt do it. big thing there flare is easy and pretitable unlike the sabre 2 it would be a great step up from your safire. i demo the same size crossfire 1 or 2 and then demo like a 109 and a 99 at your weight just land them and be conservative. again my neck still hurts from my sabre 2 135 its a good canopy but the safire is much better and the crossfire is the next step up.

loading a few common crossbraced canopys xaos fx vx velocity onyx and the other few wich one has the least twitchy in turns. loading out at 1.66. current jumper fly a crossfire and is really good with it annd loves that the crossfire isnt a fast turning canopy but that it dives has great glide and awesome flares and rockin openings. he is looking for a x braced equivalent to the crossfire so the least eliptical slowest non twitchy crossbraced canopy. i know its a stupid question but some of us out here dont like diablo spinning canopiues and want to swoop and dive and have a great glide. any takers on this. i have one opinion someone said that the fx is good for that but the vx is a lot more snapy. thank you for all who answer. myself i am happy with the crossfire for a 500 more jumps