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Lost. War or Peace? t It's the year of the Pig.

No, I have friends, and sometimes that's good enough. Really good friends are ex lovers though - because then you've been through all the bullshit together. Lovers come and go. Friends last. t It's the year of the Pig.

No shit... It was opening fast... so he put a hole in the slider... and now it snivels.... Wow. t It's the year of the Pig.

Opening speed is very subjective. One persons "Positive" is another's "Slammer" and the same goes for "soft" and "Snivel" Lets chat this weekend and see what we can do to speed it up a tad. t It's the year of the Pig.

We agree on something political! Fuck! That's awesome!

He's a torturer. The rest is a matter of degree. t It's the year of the Pig.

Aggressive interrogation? "Klaus Barbie: women testify of torture at his hands from the Saturday, March 23, 1987 issue of The Philadelphia Inquirer LYON, France--In 1944, when she was 13, Simone Lagrange testified yesterday, Klaus Barbie gave her a smile as thin as a knife blade, then hit her in the face as he cuddled a cat at the Gestapo headquarters in Lyon. Lise Lesevre, 86, said Barbie tortured her for nine days in 1944, beating her, nearly drowning her in a bathtub and finally breaking one of her vertebrae with a spiked ball. Ennat Leger, now 92, said Barbie "had the eyes of a monster. He was savage. My God, he was savage! It was unimaginable. He broke my teeth, he pulled my hair back. He put a bottle in my mouth and pushed it until the lips split from the pressure." The three women were among seven people who took the witness stand yesterday to testify against Barbie, the former head of the Gestapo in London during the Nazi occupation of France in World War II. Barbie, 73, is on trial in Lyon, accused of torturing Jews and members of the French Resistance and deporting them to Nazi death camps. But he did not hear their testimony because he has refused to attend the courtroom sessions since the second day of the trial, as he may do under French law. He has, however, denied the accusations against him and has contended that his 1983 extradition from Bolivia to France was illegal. Several of the seven witnesses yesterday sobbed as they told of arrest, torture, rail convoys to the Drancy collection center near Paris and on to concentration camps. They depicted Barbie as a harsh, sadistic officer ready to resort to any cruelty to extract information. Lagrange, her voice breaking, recalled the arrest of her father, mother and herself on June 6, 1944, the day Allied troops landed in Normandy to drive back the Germans. Denounced by a French neighbor as Jews and Resistance fighters, Lagrange and her parents were taken to Gestapo headquarters where a man, dressed in gray and caressing a cat, said Simone was pretty. "I was a little girl, and wasn't afraid of him, with his little cat. And he didn't look like the typical tall, blond SS officer we were told to beware of," she said. The man, whom she identified as Barbie, asked her terrified parents for the addresses of their two younger children. "When we said we did not know, he pulled my hair, hit me, the first time in my life I was slapped," she said. During the following week, the man hauled her out of a prison cell each day, beating and punching at her open wounds in an effort to obtain the information. "He always came with his thin smile like a knife blade," she said. "Then he smashed my face. That lasted seven days." Later that month, Simone and her mother were put aboard a sealed train for the Auschwitz concentration camp on a horror ride "which turned us into different people" and that still gave her nightmares 40 years later. From Auschwitz, where her mother was gassed, the inmates were marched to Ravensbruck, where only 2,000 of the 25,000 people who began the march arrived alive. On the way, Simone saw her father marching in another convoy. "A German officer told me to embrace him. As we were about to meet, they shot him in the head," she said. "It wasn't Barbie who pulled the trigger, but it was him who sent us there." Ennat Leger, who lost her sight at Ravensbruck after her arrest, was hoisted to the witness stand in her wheelchair by four policemen. She was a Resistance fighter nearly 50 years old when she was arrested in 1944, she said, and Barbie and his men "were savages, brutal savages, who struck, struck and struck again." "Have you heard of the Gestapo kitchens?," she quoted him as saying, in an allusion to the torture chambers. Lise Lesevre, frail and upright despite her 86 years, described the defendant as "Barbie the savage," saying she recognized him decades later because of his "pale eyes, extraordinarily mobile, like those of an animal in a cage." Lesevre, who belonged to a resistance group, said the Gestapo arrested her on March 13, 1944, while she was carrying a letter intended for a Resistance leader code-named Didier. She said Barbie spent almost three weeks trying to learn if Lesevre was Didier, and if not, who was. She was interrogated for 19 days, she said, and tortured on nine of them. First she was hung up by hand cuffs with spikes inside them and beaten with a rubber bar by Barbie and his men. "Who is Didier, where is Didier?" were Barbie's main questions, she said. Next was the bathtub torture. She said she was ordered to strip naked and get into a tub filled with freezing water. Her legs were tied to a bar across the tub and Barbie yanked a chain attached to the bar to pull her underwater. "During the bathtub torture, in the presence of Barbie, I wanted to drink to drown myself quickly. But I wasn't able to do it. I didn't say anything. "After 19 days of interrogation, they put me in a cell. They would carry by the bodies of tortured people. With the point of a boot, Barbie would turn their heads to look at their faces, and if he saw someone he believed to be a Jew, he would crush it with his heel," she said. "It was a beast, not a man," she said. "It was terror. He took pleasure in it." During her last interrogation, she said, Barbie ordered her to lie flat on a chair and struck her on the back with a spiked ball attached to a chain. It broke a vertebrae, and she still suffers. "He told me, 'I admire you, but in the end everybody talks.'" But she never did, and she heard Barbie say finally, "Liquidate her. I don't want to see her anymore." She was condemned to death by a German military tribunal for "terrorism" but was placed in the wrong cell and deported to Ravensbruck concentration camp, where she survived the war. Her husband and son did not. She said they were both deported to their deaths by Barbie. Lesevre said she identified Barbie in February in a face-to-face confrontation at St. Joseph Prison, where he is being held. " I guess it's all just a matter of degree between members of the same club. t It's the year of the Pig.

well, I am utterly confused. Could you please tell me what the war is for? OK, if a guy that is known to kill and torture people on a scale like, say, maybe only 200 people or so, was walking around your nieborhood with a big gun and a Malitov Cocktail would you just want him left alone to do those things? That doesn't answer the question. If that was the case, why did Bush not go into Zimbabwe, or Liberia? There are many heads of state who are cruel leaders. We know N Korea has WMD's because they told the world, and have conducted tests - but I see no plans to invade them. It's the Oil. It's all about the oil. (That's what I think) Blood for oil. No shortage of blood with a population of 265 million people. Lots of blood. Lots of oil. t It's the year of the Pig.

Falling. I climb. I skydive. This one could actually happen to me! t It's the year of the Pig.

That makes sense. t It's the year of the Pig.

Oxford Dictionary pipe nTube through which something can flow; tube by which sound is produced, (pl.) Bagpipes; narrow tube with a bowl at one end for smoking tobacco. -v.t. convey through pipe(s); transmit (music etc.) by wire or cable; play (music) on pipe(s), lead by sounding pipe(s); utter in a shrill voice; ornament with piping. t It's the year of the Pig.

I've done 15. 13 Tandems, an AFF and a fun dive. t It's the year of the Pig.

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Pipe. t It's the year of the Pig.

I hear you. I thought long and hard before going to front riser turns, and PM'd SkymonkeyOne and Hookitt to nail down as bullet proof a system as I could manage. As an old CReW dog, blocks made sense, but I copied SM1's toggle techniques and practiced transisions for maybe 50 dives before I started riser swoops after 3000 plus toggle spanks. (I'm a slow learner, OK?) I only use 2 fingers in the loops. I climb quite a bit, and on the Stiletto, and 270 hooks, I'm not getting anywhere near where I would need more power to hold the riser down. So, to sum up. Loops, 2 fingers in loops, 2 fingers in toggles... I'll let you know when I screw up... (Or someone else will!) t It's the year of the Pig.

When Clinton came out to SA, he was due to stay at the "Mount Nelson" hotel in Cape Town. His security dudes arrived 2 weeks before, and "requested" that three 200 year old Oak trees "would have to go" for security reasons prior to the visit. The day manager simply cancelled his booking and told the security staff the President would need to seek acommodation "elsewhere." t It's the year of the Pig.

Looking forward to the answer to this one! t It's the year of the Pig.

Oh fuck. I got 79... t It's the year of the Pig.

Ahh. Language problems across the Atlantic! England pitch up when it matters may better explain the origins of the expression. It's coloquial slang dirived from the game of Cricket. "Never pitched (up)" means "Didn't turn up" (At the DZ) or "Didn't arrive." which may better explain why I did a solo... Sorry if I sounded so cavalier about what might have appeared like a no pull incident at the DZ! My apologies! t It's the year of the Pig.

Just thought I'd let you know the dive went REALLY well. We only got 9500 AGL as our DZ is 5000ft AMSL and has no runway lights, and the pilot was concerned about hypoxia issues. I discussed decent patterns with him, but he said he decends really slowly at night (compared to the day) so I chose to turn out to the right and he'd decend to the left. I did a solo, as you suggested. Didn't feel comfortable with two of us in the sky together, and the other dude never pitched anyway. Soon after exit I turned out to the Right. I'd left about 15 secs after a solo freefly, who had given a 4 way 15 secs before exit. The moon was quite low, having been up for a couple of hours, and with the light behind me, I could make out everything! I went maybe half a mile, and then turned right again to run downwind well clear of the jumpers who had exited before me. I was a little paranoid WRT alti's, having a chest mount, a wrist mount, and a Pro Dytter in a bonehead. The opening was eventful, with a premature brake release (Borrowed gear) but on a 150, and opening at 5000ft, I had plenty time to unzip and unstow the other brake. I was too busy looking about for other traffic to do a good job of stowing the legs high, and so ended up running like a penguin on steroids - only to tumble in the headlights, much to the amusement of all on the DZ - but the dive was awesome! Thanks to all for their input to this dive! t It's the year of the Pig.

I've jumped the G3, and I ordered a G4, but pretty basic with minimal options. The Backpad is standard on the G4, and is an option on the G3 as the "Deluxe backpad." t It's the year of the Pig.

Yeah - but it would be VERY sore... t It's the year of the Pig.

Don Henley was part of the Eagles. he may have written it, which would give him the right to do it solo. t It's the year of the Pig.

Wearing your weight on the rig is probably the safest option from a water landing point of view, especially considering the reserve container will float for a while because of the air trapped in the canopy. Remember also that a helmet with no holes, like a bonehead mindwarp, can be used as an emergency floatation device. I've seen a weight belt built with two 3 rings attached to a pillow which released the belt if required. If you jumps some place like Sebastian - that may be an option to consider. t It's the year of the Pig.

You were "singled out" because you replied to me. Sorry if I offended. t It's the year of the Pig.