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I reacall reading that the Taliban were in fact squashing the opium trade. Not that I support their return to power but I think Afghanistan was dropping lower and lower on the producer list. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

So lets say you are a lawmaker and a bill comes along about something you favor but also has support for something you detest. The main point of the bill is the thing you favor but an amendment gets tacked on about the thing you hate. And you hate this thing more than what you favor. Do you vote for the bill or against? Feel free to switch the location of the thing you favor and the thing you hate. The point is to get the thing you like you have to vote for something you hate. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

But since Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11 why dust them off so quickly? It was months later before we turned it into a WMD thing. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Couple of years of TKD with my son. Green belt. Our instructor got killed in a freak accident and it kind of lost the fun. Lightening hit a tree that fell on his truck while driving down the road. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Can anyone check who owns D 25024? If the license is not valid then I don't think anything else is valid. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Just this weekend I went through the Open Water Course in preparation for certification and this is one thing that was stressed repeatedly. I believe will be hammered in harder next weekend in the lake. You and your buddy stay together. For an instructor to leave would, in my non-legal opinion, be negligent. For the deceased to have said, "I'll stay behind" would have been primarily his own fault and shown a lack of concern for the other party. After posting that I realized there was no skydiving connection so... To me this is the same as an instructor over encouraging a student to get out of the plane in circumstances the student doesn't want to. I know this is rare but there have been posts in these forums from students in that situation. If I was in training and was killed and another jumper could say the instructor talked me in to getting out even though I was clearly beyond some of the normal hesitation then I would think the instructor was largely to blame. Or if on an AFF 2 or 3 one instructor ditched me to help the other and I died he/she could bear some culpability no matter how honorable their intentions in helping the other instrcutor. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Fudd is dead on. The bottom line absolutely matters but so do happy customers. Giving away the occasional freebie spreads the good word. You can't do it all of the time and good customers understand that too. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

I have to agree, well done. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Sorry but I don't buy that. It is like saying you pay a roofer to put shingles up not to guarantee the roof is water tight. Getting the roof water tight is part of the job. The canopy opening is part of the pack job. I am a packer. if your pilot chute is defective, am I supposed to still be responsible, or not get paid for the pack job I did? what if your canopy is out of trim? am I responsible? you pay me to pack the canopy, not to do a full inspection. or maybe I could get people to pay for a full inspection every jump. $20 pack jobs? I could live with that. Note the subject of the thread, "... rented gear." In my opinion condition of the gear is the DZO's responsibility. Yes I should go over it to look for obvious issues but I don't know how many jumps are on it so normal maintenance is their issue. If during the pack job you notice unsafe gear you should bring it to the attention of the owner of the gear, DZO (rented) or jumper (personal), and if you are really concerned about it refuse to pack it. Those $20.00 pack jobs would probably loose you money unless you can safely inspect and pack one rig in the time it takes to do five now. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Would you try and get away with out paying for a lost main as a result of the cutaway on their pack job? It would be situational I think. Thing opens up and is connected backwards then I think I would be averse to paying for it. Other scenarios would result in different responses. Sorry but I don't buy that. It is like saying you pay a roofer to put shingles up not to guarantee the roof is water tight. Getting the roof water tight is part of the job. The canopy opening is part of the pack job. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

One more time. I do usually pack my own main. Attaching it at the three ring was not part of the packing class, although I believe the packer did mention if and when I needed to do it come see him and he would show me. You may have to drive and you may have to have heart surgery but you do not have to skydive. You choose to jump out of airplanes. Why would you NOT want to know every possible thing there is to know about the gear that allows you to do so more than once? Why should anyone have to hold your hand? Are you a grownup or not? I am quite completely grown up and believe very much in personal responsibility but since I don't yet own my own gear I have not worried about the additional information I should have to maintain my own gear. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Absolutely I would. I think I said somewhere along the line that this person was very rude for not helping find the gear. I even hope I would be heads up enough to watch where the gear was headed. Can't say before this thread that I would have followed it down if it landed off the DZ and clearly you have to decide if it is safe to land where the gear is headed. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Completely different topic. Reserves are packed by Certitfied riggers.... Not a different topic. The statement I was respnding to was something like "we are responsible for our entire dive and all of our equipment" yet very few skydivers are qualified to pack the reserve. At some point most of the people on the drop zone are putting their lives in someone elses hands. Don't take the chance. Pack it yourself. If you don't know how, then LEARN! It pisses me off when I see a jumper that can't pack. I do know how to pack the main and except for the first jump I generally do pack my own. At Skydive San Marcos the last pack of the day has to be done by staff and is included in the jump so when I get it the next day a packer packed it. I would certainly be at a loss in this situation. There are many things in life, even life threatening things, that we pay professionals to do for us. Why should this be different? I don't work on my car or perform open heart surgery on my children. Why should I not be able to trust the packer to do their job? "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Because they never packed again after the packing class. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

I don't disagree but define experienced? There are those here who seem to think anyone with less than 300, or more, are not "experienced". Clearly at 37 I am not but where do you draw the line? "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

So we should all get our riggers ticket and pack our own reserves too? I can't afford my own gear yet so I rent. I get there early and get the same rig everytime but the first jump of the day is always on someone elses pack. I know that things can go wrong, one to many beers before reattaching the main, but I take the chance. Even if you own you gear and don't have the training to pack a reserve you are still depending on someone else. You are not responsible for the reserve pack unless you intentionally let someone unqualified pack your reserve and fake the credentials. Packing my reserve and packing my wheel bearings are the same thing. I can't do it so I trust the person who did. Yes "shit happens" but it better be pretty damn clear it was not a packing mistake like the slider full up or lines wrapped around the canopy. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

As a business the DZO is depreciating the value of the assets over no more than five years on canopies. The user should not have to pay more than the remaining value of the lost gear. IMNSHO the problem here is a rude jumper who, apparently, refused to even look for the gear. I've only got 37 jumps but become more aware of what is going on around me in the air every jump. I would think that at 100+ jumps I would have some idea of where my main landed but I haven't been there so maybe just wishful thinking. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

If the reserve doens't open I can promise you I am not buying a bottle of anything for anybody. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Anybody here ever, ever see a written rental agreement to use a DZ rig for a jump? I need a rig, can you rent me one for a jump? Sure, grab this one and I'll tell manifest to add the cost to your account - it's $25. Ok, thanks I SEE one everytime I go to the DZ, the question is do I read it.

The funny thing about that one was that although it had the standard heading it was starting to be about tarrifs and their impact on our country. Not something I have seen, although I have not done a search for it. This one could have been interesting. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Get it out there first. Then get other people to point to you. That is how the Google hacks work. Something like 32 sites linking the same word or phrase to the same web site will bring it to the top. It also seems to me that .com sites generally fare better than others. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Assuming you can tell us without needing to kill us what about in a combat situation? "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

I don't pull low, just trying to get a definition of HALO "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Closest thing I can find is here http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/doddict/data/h/02417.html high-altitude low-opening parachute technique (DOD) A method of delivering personnel, equipment, or supplies from airlift aircraft that must fly at altitudes above the threat umbrella. Also called HALO. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

ROFLMAO. I learn new "facts" everyday on this website. Simply amazing. So what is your definition? "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes