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With any luck the males involved in these interesting activities can be convinced that self castration is a good idea and then they won't breed. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

The head robot wouldn't allow the humans to interfere because they were not perfect enough to do the job as well as he did. He was also a little deranged, thought the energy beam was a god and that they were the only two humans who existed. No cops and guns. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

You are going to have to point out which one because I just re-read them and nowhere were there any rampant robots be hunted down by gun toting copes. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

From what is posted here and what I see in the trailer the answer would be no. I just re-read I, Robot and there are no cops or killer robots. Now I have not yet pulled out the rest of the robot series but I don't remember any in the rest of it either. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Common ground may have been the wrong phrase. How about the three of us have been able to have a rational discussion about topics we disagree (I disagree with them) on without the use of words like scumbag and various other epithets. It is far easier to get a point across if you do it in civil discourse instead of shreaking. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Is it possible you are mixing up feet and meters here? A meter is about three feet? If not you are doing this stuff way to low. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

I think we are in agreement if you re-read what I wrote. I said "If it was planned then it may or may not have been a bad plan but it was poorly executed. Given that pars has not many more jumps than I do I would agree that trying any RW from 5000ft is probably a bad idea." I think that given the overall situation pars handled it pretty well by trying to get away from the sit flyer and then asking people in this forum how to deal with this in the future. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Based on what I have read about Bush the described action was plausible, I never said it was true. It to is just a story unless Biden corroborates it. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Sorry but I just couldn't leave this thread sit at 69 posts. edited to say: Shit some one else posted while I was trying to be clever. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Hey I used to work at the University of texas and apparently they are bidding to run Los Alamos. The might rename it The Alamo II but what the heck. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

But you need to understand that as hard as it is to believe rights are more important than loved ones. Give me liberty or give me death is not a hollow speech. A long rant follows but first go back to my original scenario where a drunk kills my daughter. Should I really be in the jury? No, because my judgement is not fair. If some one were to kidnap a loved one I would switch places and die in a heart beat but that does not make giving in to a hostage taker a good idea. Especially politically motivated ones like those in Iraq. How do you decide who poses a significant threat. Because he is wearing a turbin? None of the 9/11 highjackers did. Because he looks middle eastern? Well they all did that but they were from Saudi Arabia and not from Iraq. What about the hispanic guy from Chicago who reportedly was going to plant a dirty bomb for the bad guys. Do you know how long it would take to search all of the hispanics here in Texas everyday? Oh yeah we caught an angelo American and I think an Australian there too. What does that do to the equation? "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

I gotta tell you I did four whole sport jumps in '78, '79 on 24 foot modified T-10 rounds. Had I stuck with jumping then I would have one of those cool two or three digit D licenses. My guess is that my instuctors at that time were lucky to have as many jumps as you do. What does this mean? What happens now is not the only way to do things. If we don't push our limits we will never advance. One of my favorite lines from my SCUBA class was about not diving in conditions beyond what you have dived in before. Well shit I should never get in the water then. If the two of them planned the jump and the other jumper did not stick to the plan then he/she is at fault. By the description given what happened was not planned. If it was planned then the plan was probably flawed in the first place. Finally If it was planned then it may or may not have been a bad plan but it was poorly executed. Given that pars has not many more jumps than I do I would agree that trying any RW from 5000ft is probably a bad idea. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Wave off at 3500 and then pull, generally in the saddle at 2500, at least according to the alti screaming in my ear. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Might need to start making the drive to College Station. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Part one: My son. Complete nerd, very high IQ (tested), small rural school district, liberal parents, conservative area, and at 13 thinks he knows it all and mixes up his opinions and facts. Lets face it the planet would be better off without humans mucking it up. But when you say that in class and say something stupid to a school counselor, without parents knowledge, along the lines of I wouldn't want to hurt my friends, they freak out. In my day this would have been a call to the parents about "talk to your kid" but today we get to have an interview with the principle, and a "resource officer" AKA city cop. In this interview we get told the simple words "the world would be better off without people" equates to a terrorist threat because it scares people. Clearly they never met the fellow students I shared my upbringing with. Part two; Presumed innocence. What the US system of justice is supposed to be built on. Innocent until proven guilty. Ken Lay, Martha Stewart, Son Of Sam. You go to trial before we get to remove your rights. Bottom line is we strip search everyone boarding the plane, no one boarding the plane or a truly random sample. Now this does not preclude us from searching a person for some reasonable cause. Wearing a Saudi or Palestinian headdress is not cause. Frankly that probably makes you the least likely suspect on the plane. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

There are many pacifist approaches that involve learning about other cultures and teaching about ours. I recently read a short piece about a Mennonite who got conscientious objector status during the Viet Nam war but had to do civilian service in Taiwan to make up for it. Built schools, made friends, the whole deal. Years later went to a rally of some sort and after listening to VFW types put down those who didn't "serve" he told his story. Later he was nominated for membership in the local VFW. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

You do know that Don't Mess With Texas is an anti-litter campiagn don't you? "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Because it is the right thing to do. BTW no supreme being related controls here. I am an athiest. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Trolls don't usually stick around to participate in the battle. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

That is the tricky bit isn't it? Running me through a metal detector and making me take my shoes off to get on a plane is a pain but something I can deal with. It comes close to but does not step across the line of unreasonable search. Calling my 13 year old son a terrorist and creating a police record on him because he said the planet would be better of without people (true story) is wrong. Lets go back to the previous republican administration when they wanted to make urine testing mandatory for about half the population. Effectively Ed Meese's position was that if you are innocent you shouldn't mind pissing in the cup because you have nothing to lose. Well yes I do, my presumed innocence. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

JUMP JUMP JUMP JUMP JUMP!!!!!! "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

No it means it is not unreasonable to believe it. If I were to bring forward proof that a republican had committed a heinous crime would you automatically refute it because a republican could not possibly have done it? I don't mind having reasonable discussions with people but you are a trial. For crying out loud Ron, Kennedy and I found some common ground. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

One of the reasons that a jury of our peers tries us instead of the victims relatives is to keep things in perspective. If a known drunk runs over my daughter I will kill him but you in a more responsible attitude might sentence him to time in jail which is probably a more just punishment. There has also been much talk that traveling on a common carrier removes some rights in return for the common good. I suggest that this is BS and that removing any rights is bad for the common good. I think that the invasion of Iraq was wrong and a mistake but I also think that the early Philippine withdrawal is a mistake since they made a commitment to the cause. Their actions will only encourage the terrorists. I use the word terrorist instead of insurgents on purpose because I believe that the people involved in these actions are terrorist and not "freedom fighters." This action is kind of like the one time you give in to your kids after telling them no 100 times. They never remember the 100 no's, just the one yes. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

So if any of the supposed witnesses come forward this might be true. Until then it is nothing more than a story. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

Lets see the last to presidents were goveners before being elected, then the guy before that was vice-president, then another couple of govenors. Just what should a senator or representaitive do while campaigning? How much time to the previous winners spend doing their "jobs" before being elected? Got to agree with that, things have just been taking off in the last three years. Anyone up for burger flipping? "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes