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wrong. read my post. i read yours. personal attack? oh, right, you want me to say 'you actions resemble those of a bigot'? fuck that. control your irrational and offensive posting and you wont be called out on it. AND - i said gwb looked and acted like a teenager with reading and speaking challenges. a moron. that is my right. and NOONE has refuted my claims regarding his appearance. in fact, people have said, 'yeah, he looks dumb, but he ok by me'. and i NEVER criticized the job GWB is doing. probably because it's less about him than most people are willing to admit and i can't blame him for that. generally i dont make 5000 word self serving posts. they are generally short and sweet. you dont need to read too much into them. i called bush a moron. you suggested eliminating an entire religion. hmmm.... someone has been trolling... rereading your entire post is a complete waste of time. You sound like a twenty-two year old kid who thought that because of the disent that you could get away with a personal attack. So you did it not once but twice and I called you on it thats all chill out cornflake If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

------------------------------- So apparently you are a Satanist and although this has been a heated arguement in all respects you have found the need for a personal attack, even though all others have managed to avoid it. It wasn't enough that you started the thread with a different personal attack, on GWB. You found the need to make senseless arguements on his facial expressions. Oh what can I say, whatever. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Ok perhaps making it illegal would be going to far. But if you followed the entire thread you would have noticed that when I was questioned on how I proposed to police it. I cleared that up by saying that I didn't think we need to pass a bill against it. But that we had to stop refusing to acknowledge that it indeed was a terrorist breeding ground even in present day. Satanism is not illegal but you don't have as many people trying to look the other way on it. Are you against profiling them. Are you against the FBI keeping tabs on the Mosques? Do you think that people working at the airports should play as close attention to a passenger who's name in Mohammed as they would to an 80 year old Swedish lady. Liberals would love to say they should check everbody throughly. But as it is the delays in flying have increased drastically and its still not secure enough. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

If this is a reference to the Easter uprising or the current troubles? -------------------------------------------- Both in a way. See the current troubles would not have been there if what happened in the Easter uprising had never occured. I assume don't think that if England had never occupied Ireland like the never occupied Holland, that the IRA would have still been formed. Don't get me wrong I understand your point when you say that U.K. has done there part to stop the violence now. But one somebody throws the first plate of food in the cafeteria its not quite as easy to stop the food fight at that point. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Yes. I'm also familiar with the local Texaco station. -------------------------- I think a call for all people of a specific faith to get together and fight everybody else is more relevant to the disscussion. =================================== I'm not sure what Islamic Jihad (other than the word Islamic) has to do with OBL and Saddam Hussein. Or are you scared to actually address the question I asked. ----------------------------------------------- I don't think it could be any clearer the fact that I believe that Muslims as a whole are much much more likely to sympathize with causes to destroy/kill non-muslims. ============================= As far as parallels, well, if we can go back hundreds of years to the Islamic movement into Spain to show the nature of Islam, then why can't we go back hundreds of years to the Spanish Inquisition, to show the nature of Christian bigotry? ------------------------------------------------ You could but the main difference there is Christians have changed and we about to come up on the 2nd anniversary of 9/11 which proves Muslims have not. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Shock & Awe? there is a book called Shock and Awe. I suggest you buy it and then you can tell me on what page in the book it talks about all the Christians getting together to fight everybody else. That is what Islamic Jihad is, only not with Christians. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Are you not familiar with Islamic Jihad? Can you please tell me of the Christian equivalent to that? I would be interested in knowing. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

The U.S.-led war on Iraq gave Al Qaeda the opportunity to reinvigorate its weakened terrorist network with new recruits and more funding, say experts on terrorism. ------------------------------------------------------ reinvigorate its weakened terorrist network. Hmmm I guess that a weakened terrorist network proves that there was once a stronger one. Never-the-less there is one. That simply proves that liberal that instist on denying that Al Queda and Saddam had no ties are either lying or simply have their facts all screwed up. I will go with lying because I believe they (the liberal left) cares more about regaining power than they care about national security. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

You should respond to the "What are you really good at?" thread with "backpedalling."

If I had a dime for every time somebody private messaged ME that they don't agree with YOU, I'd be a very rich man.

Which part isn't true? We now HAVE found evidence that Iraq was planning to attack us? Or there were more car bombings etc last year than there are this year? Blues, Dave this disscussion is getting tireing. The fact in that far more Terrorist attacks that you are not aware of have been thwarted and stopped before they have occured. After Al queda took the first major step in September 11th two year ago it was quite clear that they were ready to go into high gear with more attacks. To sugest that because the current administration sought out retribution for 9/11 that there is a sudden rise in terrorism is just utterly false. thats it If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

If I had a dime for everytime somebody said to me I agree with you just not in public or sent an instant message saying that for that matter I would be a very rich man. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Beautiful....you do realize that phrase of calling spades spades is a derogatory racist name for blacks? I think we all understand plenty about you. -------------------------------------- there you go again playing the typical liberal games. would it make you happier if I said calling things the way they are. Maybe for now it might but I am sure eventually you will find something offensive with that. Here is and interesting point and something to laugh about. I once had a conversation with a lefty, kind of like Kev over here. This guy was aryan, (you know Northern Eurpean decent blond hair and light eyes) but married to a Mexican (Aztec none the less). Anyway in our conversation I used the adjective Mexican to describe his wife. I was then called by three Aryan white boys into a room so that they could tell me how much of a racist I was for using the term Mexican. (that I had to say Hispanic). Ofcourse being that my lastname is Rodriguez I was able to laugh at that but it wouldn't be as easy for you to get out of that one. And it all stems from your silly liberal attitude not wanting to call things the way that they are. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Very interesting and somewhat educational. My paper which I wrote six years ago and don't even have a copy of dealt more with how Michael Collins affected the struggle. Easter Monday and the general post office uprising. I am very much aware that England just at the U.S. has changed with the times and that Imperialism is something that in this day and age in considered bad. For that reason I have no doubts that in modern day if Northern Ireland wanted to leave the U.K. that they would be able to do so. But I would hope that you do not intend to deny that this was not always the case or that resorting to terrorism when they knew they could never defeat the British army was how the stage was set long ago. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

-------------------------------------- Oh if only you knew better about me. You probably can't name a religion or race, (maybe an ethnicity but not easily) that I can not then tell you about a personal freind I have or have had belonging to that group. I have no problem when it comes to understanding and trying to relate with a person for who he or she is. However, there is a difference between understanding why a certains tend to act the way the do and just putting a blindfold on yourself refusing acknowledge any characteristics that different groups of people have. I am sorry I don't play your liberal game but in the end I am confident people will get so fed up with your political correctness that they will start calling spades spades. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

The reality is that your "facts" are wrong - and it is shockingly clear that you do not know what you are talking about. I don't where to start, other than to point you at some information on the background to the Northenr Ireland troubles and suggest you read that - since you are currently so grossly unaware of the real situation. Please state what I have said that is incorrect. Its sound more like you are engaging in the typical liberal game here. If we all just keep saying {little kid voice} thats not true, thats not true. Then eventually people will take it as a given that its not true. But lets assume for a second that you are truely above that. Now tell what does the IRA want? Is to make everybody in England Catholic? Or is it to take the six counties back in Ulster, Northern Ireland? Now tell more here. See as I understand it the only Reason England is Episcopelian as opposed to Catholic is because Henry the eighth wanted to get a divorce and Rome wouldn't let him. Also as I understand it there is not another religion out there more similar to the Roman Catholic religion than the Anglican one. So please explain to me why in other places in Europe like Germany where the majority of the people are not only not Catholic but they are for far more different Christian flavors, but yet the Catholics don't want to kill them. Or is it that I just missed a new report about Catholic committing some violent terrorist acts killing thousands of Lutherans in Germany? If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

------------------------------------- No apparently your mistaken here. You sound like an angry Brit trying to lash out at me because you think I am pro Irish. I am not pro Irish I am not pro Brit. I actually like both countries by themselves. In other words they don't cause me any harm so I don't have an emotional side. I was simply reporting the reasons for which they are continually at odds with each other. You may say its uncalled for and I will agree with you that far. But to say that they are just killing innocent Brits because the simply wish to do harm and nothing there has anything to do with the British occupying there country is false. I am sorry. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Actually, they do. You have no idea what you're talking about. when somebody argues with simple facts as your are doing by making this statement then there is no possible progress that can be made in continueing the disscussion. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

------------------------------------------------ Do you really need me to tell you why its different? Ok one more time just for you Bill. The Muslims believe that if the die fighting for the Muslim faith that they will go straight to heaven and have I don't know how many virgins. The Irish are just pissed off because their land was taken away but they don't think that if the die killing a Brit that the will go straight to heaven. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Tell that to the Irish. ----------------------------------- Oh please I read like 5 books on the matter and wrote a 15 page paper on it. Religion is just and excuse for that conflict. The true motives behind it are the Irish wanting to have their entire country and the British not wanting to give up the occupied territory. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Nope. Still waiting. -------------------------------- If your question was about the differences between the IRA and the PLO's, then that was addressed. However, I never suggested that there was such a thing as a good terorist. There are however terrorists that are more dangerous to humanity in general than others. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Personally, I find your attitudes and prejudice far more threatening than the muslim world. ---------------------------- I wouldn't go so far as to say that I find you naive liberal attitude toward the issue more threatening. But I would say that I find it quite significantly as threatening. Just as the French were not more threatening than the Iraqis but their attitude was quite significantly a problem. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

BTW, how do you prove there is no Muslim in your background? It isn't a race, as was pointed out earlier, so how do you prove that someone did not follow a religion? ------------------------------------------- You have never heard of having your ancestry traced. Your grangfathers father, his mother and father, that same with all your grandparents and so on. Yes it is a Religion and not a race but at that particular time all the people there following that religion were of a different decendency (Moorish, Arabic). ================================ Are you proud to be pure of blood? Are you proud that you think you can prove you have no Muslim in your background? Do you feel superior to Muslims? --------------------------------------------------------- Yes to all of the above. I am proud of who I am and feel sorry for anybody who is not proud of who he is. I am sure that if you trace my family tree as far back as is possible, you will not find any Arab names. I know that it is due to our actions and not coincidence that the only people who have issue with my ancestors are far left wing liberals who only goal is to seek out anything good in the world and lash out false statements against it. ================================ Do you really think you can solve all these problems by banning a religion? ------------------------------------- Yes, different forms of Christians disagree with each other but they don't kill each other because of it. They don't kill Jews and Jews don't kill them. Hell I have yet to see a Buddist or a Hindu committing acts of terrorism for their religion. I know right now like the typical liberal you will point to Hitler. But not only was that almost over 60 years ago but it was never fought in the name of a religion. It was against a religion but not for another. In any case it history and will never happen again. =============================== How do you propose ot police that? --------------------------------------------- I don't propose to police it. But a good starting point is to stop denying it. If Devil worshipers became a problem because of Terrrorism then we would keep a closer eye on them. We would not fear being called bigots for profiling them. That is a start. ============================= Is the US Army invading every country with a Mosque? Or is the US going to stop trading with any country with a mosque? That should do wonders for your economy. ------------------------------------------------- If they rooted out all terrorist cells infiltrated in the U.S. that would make it significantly more difficult for them to attack us on our soil. But for that the liberals need to shut up and let us profile them. As for trading with them. It just comes down to Oil and I don't believe we need their Oil. Alaskan Oil has not been touched. Mexico has a lot, Venezuela has a lot. Hell even the Russians have a ton and are less dangerous to deal with. Without us buying their oil they would not have enough money to fund Terrorism in the first place. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Whew! It is a good thing that isn't like KKK members "proving" there is no black in their genealogy. That would be racist. ----------------------------------------------- I really don't care what the KKK does. But from what I do know about them, I know that they do not provide pleasant hospitality toward any foreigners even so much as visiting. Ask people who have been to Spain how the stay was there. You will find it difficult to find a more welcoming place in the world. However that does not mean that Spaniards are stupid liberals ready to hand over there country like the far left in the U.S. Anybody who has gone to Spain throughout history was welcomed with open arms. Anybody going over there trying to change the Spanish way of life was met with fierce resistance and sent right back where they came from. That is what happened with the Moors. Its plain a simple. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

LOL!!!!! Good to see how important lineage is to ya.... You do realize that over that period, pretty much all spaniards after that were partly Maure? ----------------------------------------- If you mean that all Spaniards are partly Moorish all I can say to that is B.S. (Barbara Streissand). If you look closer at the history you will find what is known as Purity of blood, meaning a Spaniard that has traced his ancestry to prove that indeed he has no Muslim in his background. I know liberals would love to be able to link everybody else into one group specially when they can find some bogus reason to place themselves outside that group but that does not work here. There is to much history to prove otherwise. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.