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that this is where the discussion started before it took all the twists and turns to end up on language. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

I don't need to Bill Von proved the most important one of all. Iraq and Al Queda had ties. I could just sit back and let you do some research so that when you come back trying to spin a statement I made, I could just point out my facts from your own research. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Really. A meaningful position is a priest, a bishop a cardinal? They do not need any Latin? I am sorry but a few words here and there and a working knowledge are two different things. Try finding a Muslim School that does not have fluent Arabic speaking teachers. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

That's really interesting. Considering there are numerous english versions produced and distributed by Islamic groups. I'm pretty sure the people in those groups are muslim. Where do you get this information? It really is amazing that so much fiction comes from you. You should write novels. Please show me one single example of the Koran translated to english by a non-muslim. Since that is "typically" who does it. No I think your the one who is living in fantasyland with these Mosques hold services in English. Whatever, I will let you be happy in your imagined version of the world. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Nobody can hold a meaningful position in the Catholic faith who does not speak Latin...... ------------------------ Interesting guess but totally inaccurate try again. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Good for you, I am sure I can find an English translation of the koran. ------------------------------------------ Think again, talk to a Muslim and get back to me. You may find a translation. Done typically by other people who are trying to understand what is going through their mind. But a Muslim will tell you first hand that the believe you can never get the meaning unless you speak Arabic. This is not the case in the Catholic religion to suggest it only shows your ignorance. I went to Catholic grammar school. I have yet to take a class in Latin. Dropping a couple of words here an there is not equivalent to a working knowledge. That is just silly. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

See there are still Mexicans who speak Aztec. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And there are still Mexicans who are mostly Aztec. They are not Latino. ---------------------- That is funny that you said that because then according to your definition most Mexicans are not Latino then. See Spain never had the majority of the population in Mexico. I think the highest they ever got was 25% and they don't even have that now. Why do you think most Mexicans you see are darker and shorter then the Spaniards and don't forget the obvious Aztec Indian features in the face. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

This is one of the stupidest comments I have ever heard. The official language of the Vatican is Latin. So, with your warped sense of logic, that would make all Roman Catholics Latinos, regardless of the continent they practice their faith in or their ethnic background. ------------------------------------------- No that just shows your lack of knowledge. I have a New testament bible in German. I have seen them in Spanish, English and only god knows how many other languages. I have been to Catholic mass in four different languages. Although Latin was the original Catholic language, the tie is not anywhere near the same. I have never heard that somebody who does not speak fluent Latin can not be a priest. But you can rest assure that nobody can hold a meaningful position in the Muslim faith who does not speak Arabic. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Emphasis mine. This is exactly my point: the fact that you believe that French/Italians et al should be called Latinos does not make that so. In point of fact they are not. On the other hand, you argue that Mexicans should not be referred to as Latino because they are descended from Aztecs. However, this was never your criteria for what should or should not be called Latino. Mexicans do speak Spanish, which is a Romance language; hence by your "definition," the Mexicans should be called Latinos. you have a point but only to a certain extent. See there are still Mexicans who speak Aztec. Their national language has become Spanish, but the difference is that there are real Latin people. In Europe people still use that term and they are not referring to a group of people trying to change their political stance with a false term. People that did not pick that term out of the air to avoid their true heritage. First there were, Chicanos, no that was offensive, then Mexican, no there is a problem there, then Hispanic, no we don't like this anymore now Latino. Well I am fed up with it. I am a true Hispanic, (somebody who descends from Spain and only from Spain). I am a true Latin somebody whose ancestors (spoke Latin, ALL OF MY ANCESTORS). I will go so far as to say that I do not know for sure who were the original Arabs and what is required to define somebody as Arabic. Its not my culture and I really don't care. But the fact that Saudi ARABIA is in Asia, as is the rest of that entire peninsula, makes it sound awfully stupid to me to suggest that some culture is not Arabic because they are in Asia. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

I think you need to look at a map to start out with. According to you Russians are Europeans, even though most of Russia is in Asia. Now when you look across you won't a need a computer to tell you that if Europe was extended all the way East through Russia that it would indeed be the largest continent of the world. BTW. I was the one who said more than two thirds and that was being generous it looks like more than three fourths. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

English was mostly derived from French, with some latin thrown in. So are all english speaking people franco-latinos? ------------- If you wanted to break it down that way however the Anglo-saxen is more direct. But if you wanted to go further a more correct parallelism is is that it is a Teutonic language together with Dutch, German, Swedinsh, and I don't remember right now if there were any others. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

I think you need to read this yourself then you could tell me what the largest continent in the world is. Then afterwords you can Explain how Russia 1/9the of the world's land is in the second smallest continent, Europe. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

So, is Russia in the Russian continent, or in Asia? Or is the country just commuting back and forth? you can all have fun with an obvious typo but the content is pretty clear. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

First of all most of Russia lies in the Asian continent. More that 2/3 of Russia is East of the Ural Mountains. Calling Russia European makes them feel good because that way they can disassociate themselves from the rest of the Asians. If Russia was considered Europe then Europe would be the largest continent of the world, but it isn't, Asia is. I don't care what relation they have to the Slavic people. Costa Rica is a country where the overwelming majority of the people are of Spanish descent but we still don't call it Europe. Saying Indonesia has the most Muslims in kind of meaningless. The only reason for this is because its such a very populated country. There are more Norwegians in the U.S. then there are in Norway but that mean American is more Norwegian than Norway. People following the Muslim faith will as a rule speak Arabic. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

HUH Bet that is news to a whole bunch of people in this country. Is there still a Spain/Mexico schizm STILL going on? Those indian people are not really high enough class to count I guess. Amazon ------------------------------------------ What are you talking about? Lets try to restate this in simpler terms for you. Latin is a mother Language spoken originally in part of what is now Italy. People whose language came from Latin should therefore be called Latinos. People whose decendents for the most part are that of an Aztec do not have anything to do with the Latin language. If they do then I guess we should also be linking the Bahamas and all the British Isles with the Anglicans. Or for that matter the Haitians and the Algerians with the French. Now what don't you understand? If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

I have a few CRW jumps and would like to get a CRW rig so I can do it more often. That being said I think it pretty scary. I don't know anybody with 100 CRW jumps who hasn't already had a wrap. The throught of a wrap really sucks because its then must be a coodinated cutaway which I see much worse than simply making decisions on your own. I think somebody who chooses to do CRW must do so understanding that eventually they will have a problem. Its not if its when and that sucks. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

---------------- Ok if my reasoning is "circular" can you explain it any better? Can you tell me who is more Arabic than the Indonesians and why? But try not to be funny and tell me that its because theyare in the Asian continent and not the Eurpean. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Indonesians are Asian not Arabs. Does not quite fit the stereotype of Muslim = Arab. -------------------------------------------------------- I am trying to stay away from this thread because got way too repitious. But I have to have fun with this. See there are some basics that people seem to have forgotten. For instance a Latino is a latin person or a person, someone whose language came from Latin. For instance (Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese) A Latino is not a Mexican whose decendents really spoke an Aztec Indian language. Well the same is with an Asian, (somebody from Asia). Thats right, Russians are Asians, so are Indians or anybody in that continent for that matter. Arabic is a language mostly. It is also the adjective for Arabia but there are Arabic speaking people in far more places than Arabia. Arabic also has extremely close ties to the Muslim faith or Islam if you wish to call it that. I can guarantee that the Mosques in Indonesia are reading their Korans in Arabic and speaking Arabic amongst themselves as well. I guess in the end they are no less Arabic than the Palestinians and that fact that they are in Asia is totally meaningless. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

-------------------------------------- I know that is why I named it confidently, knowing that nobody could link Hilter to terrorism there and throw off the statistics. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Ok...respond to this one. Provide a source for that figure. here is one in Jersey 2002. With 62 people indicted last year in cases it is calling "international terrorism," the U.S. Attorney's Office in New Jersey was the busiest in the nation in rounding up people who are allegedly a threat to this country. But 60 of those people were Middle Eastern students charged with paying others to take their English proficiency tests - a requirement for college or graduate school - an Inquirer review has found. Federal judges have freed nearly all the students on bond. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Yeah, as accurate as your statements, with no basis in fact, only paranoia. I guess the senate censured him because of his honesty and integrity. -------------------------- what about the fact that everybody he said was a Soviet spie was later proven to be. I guess he was just paranoid right? If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Main Entry: fact Pronunciation: 'fakt Function: noun Etymology: Latin factum, from neuter of factus, past participle of facere Date: 15th century 1 : a thing done: as a obsolete : FEAT b : CRIME c archaic : ACTION 2 archaic : PERFORMANCE, DOING 3 : the quality of being actual : ACTUALITY there is a start. See fact to you might be that wrote it in a book but fact just means we know it for sure instance you might have a tree in your back yard that is tall. But you know for a fact that its shorter than the New Yorker. You haven't measured the tree and you haven't measured the New Yorker. I don't think you will find an encyclopedia that will state this. But it is still a fact read the definition. ========================== Fact More than 90% terrorism that has threatened the U.S. and Israel in the past 100 years has come from Muslims. I don't have a place I can cite for this fact. But common knowledge shows that its obvious. People like you who do not like this fact will try to spin it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You state a figure of 90% and claim it as fact, yet you have no source, you say it's common knowledge. Look up the definition of fact, it is not assumption. --------------------------------------- notice I said more than and not exactly. I gave a generous figure that I was sure about. I think it closer to 99%. I am not going to respond to every single quote because this is becoming quite tiresome. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

----------------------------------------------- You know in the telecom depressed market that we are I dream of that. But then when I compare myself to I realize I don't have it in me. One thing is to understand the issues and another thing is to know what you could or can't say. Take McCarthy for intstance. Everything he said was accurate. Some stuff he said was proved instantly a lot took almost 50 years to prove. But in the end the Venona project proved that silencing him was simply the left's way of protecting themselves from being exposed. Ofcourse all the newspapers that printed inaccuracies about him have not reported their errors. Instead liberals have suceeded in creating an association with his name and dangerous witchhunt. Most people today have no idea who he was or what he did semi-educated will just echo the liberal propaganda from 50 years ago to define him. I guess my point is that I am not good at bull shit either. I only know how to say things the way they are. Most are not ready to hear the truth. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

And I'll ask again. Provide one source for ANY of the supposed facts that you've been spouting. ------------------------------------------- Lets take a quick overlook to see what what facts I have mentioned that perhaps you might disagree with. 19 Muslims hijacked the planes for the 9/11 attack (no non-muslims). Muslims were behind the U.S.S. Cole attacks, the 1993 bombing of the world trade center, Pan am flight 103, the hostages in Iran 1979, I didn't have an exact number of how many suicide bombings in Israel this month but do you also dispute that? The facts are as they remain, I do my best to never call something a fact that is not. here are some examples My opninion Reagan was the best president that ever lived. Fact: He won the cold war inspite of all the liberal oppostion. My opinion The Muslim faith is a breeding ground for terrorism. Fact More than 90% terrorism that has threatened the U.S. and Israel in the past 100 years has come from Muslims. I don't have a place I can cite for this fact. But common knowledge shows that its obvious. People like you who do not like this fact will try to spin it. If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.

Liberty is the idea that you are judged not by who you are, but by what you do. You are advocating the reduction of liberty, just in case, because of profiles and stereotypes. --------------------------------------------- There is already a reduction in liberty or have you not traveled in the last 2 years. The fact is that it does not have to necessarily affect everybody. There is one John Walker Lynn and what is every single other person we have encountered since 9/11 planning terrorist attacks on the U.S. ================================ I'll bet most arab terrorists have black hair. Should we have surveilance of people with black hair? -------------------- why stop there I think all terrorists have 2 eyes and a nose. Sounds like pretty useless information doesn't. That is typical liberal spin to try to avoid and actual solution to a real problem. ==================================== Do you know what percentage of American muslims are arabs? 25%. --------------------- I doubt that I would ask you to site the source. Incase you don't know I have had many Muslim freinds and I know for a fact the Koran is not translated or very frowned upon. See they believe that the language of Arabic even revolves around the religion. ================================ I'm Irish. There's a higher percentage of the Irish people that are terrorists than muslim people. Better keep an eye on me. ------------------------------ lol, not in the U.S take your statistics that extra step won't you? If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read.