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I actually agree with you, Phree, teh jumpers there are SOL in terms of shotgunning, but I just love/hate the way some people try to rationalize it. It's simple. The zoning says it doesn't fly without an exemption. All that bullshit about "not conducive to a family atmosphere," and being "a danger to jumpers and livestock" is just so damned goofy; it really chaps my ass. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

What is it about some people.... Why do you think otherwise responsible, trustworthy people suddenly turn into rednecks, yahoos, and imbeciles the moment the pick up a firearm? And I'm sure you have some sort of reasonable explenation as to why you think the skydivers would shoot into "your" air? Remember, no one at the airport ahd a problem with the shooters; only some neighbor with a bug up her ass. So you'd accept jumpers landing out and agitating your animals, and planes flying overheard making a racket, but the occasional "bang" would bother you? (I didn't mention bullets because there is no reason to believe they were firing anywhere near the animals, and because trap and skeet don't involve bullets - those are shotgun sports) Let's get real eh? If you're at a skydiving centre, then skydive. If you want to drink, then go away and drink somewhere else. Let's get real eh? If you're at a skydiving centre, then skydive. If you want to sun bathe, then go away and sun bathe somewhere else. Let's get real eh? If you're at a skydiving centre, then skydive. If you want to play music, then go away and play music somewhere else. Let's get real eh? If you're at a skydiving centre, then skydive. If you want to go four wheeling, then go away and go four wheeling somewhere else. Do you see how ridiculous you sound, or should every dropzone only allow the activites you think are ok? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

good answer !! witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Go back to your little marshmellow roast, and leave the big discussions to us men, princess. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

That's not entirely accurate, Kev. Vairies state to state, but I don't think flipping someone off (in return for their own bird) would qualify as provoking a fight. Hell, you can start a verbal altercation which becomes a shoving match, but if you walk away, it's like a clean slate. If the guy comes at you 5 minutes later with a knife, you can shoot him in self defense and have the law on your side. (the above scenario is the short version of facts from a SCUS case) Self defense laws are so convoluted that no simple search online will turn up everything you want to know, even about just one state. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Come on. A grown man said "wee." That's funny. and since I didn't go to bed right away, the last one was yours witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

http://www.fortmorgantimes.com/Stories/0,1413,164%257E8312%257E2312094,00.html Denver Skydivers vs. Brush Livestock, Brush Municipal Airport witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You said "wee."

Well, I was in your country more recently than you wre in mine, so it's your turn to cross the pond witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Every now and then, I wish the Corner was face to face, just so I could smack some people up the side of their head. Other than that, I just like the mental workout of arguing with people. Besides, it's fun to tell socialists how they're wrong, and then to show them. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I'm betting the ass isn't on his hands. On other parts, maybe, but hands....nah. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Yep. Every now and then, it's just not a good idea to post what I'm thinking. Happens more in the Corner than in other forums. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

If Rantoul were like the Corner, then I would be there for a long time, and all would feel my presence. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I don't. I don't like KFC, but I like the Dale Jr Diet. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You've limited your own options, bill. For a long time, I was in your shoes. I couldn't stop squirrels from stealing my mom's birdseed. Then Sandy (my dog) finally caught one, and we realized they were a threat to her (diseases and whatnot), so I expanded my options. "I've got opposable thumbs damnit, I can beat them!!" Three weeks of target practice, and suddenly there were no more mind games between me and the squirrels. If a hunter can't outsmart a deer using all his options, well, then I'm afraid Darwin's theories no longer apply. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

The man was mistaken for a violent felon. If they were "knocking on his door" they would've knon who he was, and never knocked. In reality they confronted him on a sidewalk at night. And you can prove that he fell dowwn after "the first few shots?" The shots that hit the bottom of his feet were not at an angle that says he was shot after falling. There were at an angle that suggests the officers had very poor aim and that he may have lifted on leg (a common fear reflex, going partially fetal while standing). Not likely, since I would move very, very slowly when a LEO's gun is pointed at me (or very, very quickly). I've got a scenario for you. You are a cop, it's midnight, and you pull someone over for speeding. Rather than wait in the car, they get out to come talk to you. As you are talking, without requesting anything from them, they pull a shiny black object from behind their back. It fills their fist and a two inch squared of protrusion is pointing out. An officer I greatly admire was faced with this situation. He pulled his firearms and shot. The man did not have a gun. It was his wallet and a comb coming out of his back pocket. If you have a problem with what you perceive as unnecessary police shootings, you should go through a shoot don't shoot simulation. It's really funny watching activists who proclaim to value human life. They shoot EVERYBODY. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I already answered that. Fewer, means fewer. I highly doubt that the odds of being murdered would stay the same - do YOU really believe that it would? Can you support that with anything other than a gut feel? According to NSC, 11 people died in 2000 on 3 wheeled ATV's, whereas hundreds died in previous years when they were legal. So I do actually have some indication that removing the 'tool' will reduce the percentage. Not by six-fold, but certainly reduced. Now you're crossing accidents with committing crimes. Remember, the two rates have little or nothing to do with each other. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

So which is it? Can we make comparisons to other countries or not? (I say no, but I am curious about your apparent double standard) And if there were no cars, then no once could be killed by a car. And if there were no bears, then no once could be killed by a bear. and.... What difference does the tool make? Why attack the tool used when we should be attacking the cause of the crime? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Do you have evidence for this claim? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

That depends on how you determine hours of gun use. If you were to count all the hours where a gun is in the home for self defense (24/7), and the hours that people carry guns (18 hours a day for many), your numbers would change. And remember, even if you restrict the number as tightly as possible, to uses only, there are still 2.5 million defensive guns uses each year. So guns have a place in accidental deaths, "but it is also used plenty more for it's intended use." witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Maybe you need help following your arguments. Jeffrey stated that registration has led to confiscation, even here in the US. You doubted him. He was, in fact, correct. He did not state that you cannot get a gun in those states. California required registration of certain rifles, promising not to require people give them up later. Guess what? CA later outlawed those rifles, requiring people turn them in or become instant felons. New York City did the same thing will all long guns. How can you claim it is not confiscation? So all men are created equal, except those living in our nation's capital? It might interest you that DC and Chicago compete each year for the title of murder capital of the US. DC is one of the more dangerous cities in the country. Both cities have some of the most strict gun control laws in the US. http://www.packing.org/misc/LeadingCausesDeath_US.html witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Bingo. For the curious but not terribly interested: http://www.cnn.com/2003/BUSINESS/06/26/australia.metalstorm/ http://www.metalstorm.com/ did HH put in a new automatic url shortener? I like it. Note to self: check announcements forum every few years witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You don't have to have said it yourself, he's obviously fully capable of putting words into your mouth. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

They are working on a caseless weapon. The military is interested in the aplication as a piece of stationary or shipmounted artillery. Last year I read a paper on this cube about half thesize of a VW bug, and the ungodly hail of projectiles it put into the air. If I recall, HK is putting serious R&D into this area, as I'm sure some others are, but I haven't heard of anyone seriously considering it, yet. Anyone have the name of the box I'm talking about? (as it's 4am, I don't recall) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Well, it should be noted by all that my title/subject line is incorrect. She is not charged with murder. (that's what I get for trusting a newpaper article) The police want to talk to her, and she is refusing to do an interview/interrogation with them. She is not indicted, much less charged, with a crime as of yet (if you trust the general consensus of newspapers, that is). There is a fine line, but it is curvy, wavy, and blurry when you're the one toe-ing it. I wonder how this one will turn out. In a very anti-climactic way, I'll wager. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*