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Let's put some numbers on this, just to make it clear. Let's say 100 is complete and utter freedom and liberty concerning firearms. So let's say we started with 60. But there is a lot of crime and murder committed with firearms. So some people in Congress come to gun owners and their reps, and say "there are a lot of problems, and we can solve them by getting rid of guns." The gun owners respond "not a chance in hell." So these people, the anti-gunners, said "OK, let's comprmise, you give up a little and we'll make that work." So that happens, and now we're at 50. But there is still a lot of crime and murder, so the anti-gunner come back and say, "we can stop it if we get rid of guns." Gun owners say that wouldn't work So the anti-gunners ask if they're monsters who don't care about horrible crimes being committed. The anti-gunners come up with a new compromise. Gun owners say "ummm...I guess we can work something out" So now we're down around 40. But there's still a lot of crime and murder, so the anti-gunners come back and say we can fix it if you give us more. Gun owners dig in and say "NO MORE!!!" So the anti-gunners call all gun owners uncaring mosters and evil people. I have been polarized by the extremists who would take it all. If they can offer something that would actually affect crime and criminals, I'd really consider it, regardless of it's effect on me. However, everything they offer up now only affects people who have broken no laws. I strongly support Project Exile, and strong punishment of violent criminals, and even attempts to help criminals. If they offered up something affecting crime, I would be more than happy to sit down and talk it over with them. The problem is nothing they have offered up is new, hasn't been tried before, or has shown any effect on crime. It's not a compromise if only one side continues to give everything while gaining nothing. That is why I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANOTHER INFRINGEMENT UPON MY RIGHTS. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

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Amen. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

skymama's got a point here. If you're in the dressing room, you can at least hang it back up or put it on a hook. Now, if I'm buying $400+ items (when I'm spending, I'm spending) like suits and such, I expect a guy waiting just outside the booth to take it from my hands, never laying it down. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Well, since you left out "of a heart attack while having sex at age 95," I have to agree with your vote. edit: Really, I always envisioned it being some circumstance where I can be yelling "YOU WANT A PIECE OF ME, YOU SON OF A B1TCH?!?" or "IS THAT ALL YOU GOT, MOTHER FVCKER?!?" or something like that.

You mean "Lee who," right? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

That tactic works well for me, also, except they hit me with "I know you know better" However, I never seem to get a good pair of shorts...have to go out and get those myself. I do love my jeans though. Yes, this one pair; they're about five years old and perfect. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I couldn't wear that shirt But i do want a "drop shop" shirt. Sure you could wear it. You'd just have to get someone to write "That's MY Job" on the back. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I have a genetic good fashion sense. Do I give shit about how what I wearing looks 90% of the time? Not in the slightest. As to kilts, I've never worn one in Scotland, though I have been there. Anyone who's been there knows a true scotsman will wear the finest wool suits, and leave kilts to the tourists and people who profit from them. Nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage when the time is right, though. Every time I have worn one though, it's been VERY positive feedback from the ladies. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

What's that old American saying about "good fences do good neighbors make..." witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Tell me how any of these pants are better than the kilt. I love hearing it every single time a woman says "A man in a kilt is a man and a half." witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Ahem. (a large man in a kilt looks down at you for desparaging "dresses) Anyway, bathing and cleanliness was practically a fetish in the middle ages. They were painfully clean. The 'smelly dark ages' is a common misconception. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I think he meant "attempted (insert crime here), rather than conspiracy to commit. He was trying to talk about inchoate offenses. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I think it's pretty well established that women (and men) of the world do go by some fairly idiotic standards when choosing a SO, and that the opposite sex (for hetero, at least) do what they can to meet those idiotic standards, thus requiring a little chlorine be added to the gene pool... witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I agree with this completely. I think the current standard is misleading and arbitrary. We have a very good defintion of assault weapon, but it comes from the military rather than congress. I can't find it right now, but it refers to 'shoulder fired, select fire, carbine or smaller.' Generally shoulder fired: rules out anything not having a stock (Macs and Tecs, etc) Select fire: rules out all semi-autos; select fire requires a burst or full-auto capability Carbine: short rifle, so traget rifles with 26" barrels would not fit. Also, to the "framers never imagined the firepower" argument - anti-gunners are not stopping there. They are going after muzzle loaders in California and New Jersey, trying to redefine anything capable of firing a projectile .50 caliber or larger as an illegal destructive device. Seems the anti-gunners are so against firearms that not even firearms that DID exists in the time of the framing are ok to own by the unwashed masses. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I just had to share this: "These guns have no real purpose other than to kill people" Tell that to Ms Samantha Cooper. http://www.uniondemocrat.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=14653 Family interaction, teamwork, conentration, discipline, competition against the self.... "nah, can't be! It's all NRA LIES!!!" (now I'm not going to post anymore unless someone else does, since the last three are all me) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

A bad thread is like old food - it never dies, it just goes bad. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I meant fruit cakes, as in head cases, not fruity, as in gay (no, not happy), faggot (no, not a measure of wood), queer (well, it seems strange, but no), umm... oh yeah - homosexual. At least for us gun nuts there's only one or two words people commonly use. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You left out cranial-ractal inversion... wait, no, that's not a term of theirs... it's a condtion from which they all suffer witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Well, I'm told it is in dire need of a dick, cock, big fat cock. (taking Sunny and Kelly's advice) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Hell, even the full size vehicle that inspred that thing's creation was slightly to mostly goofy, so miniaturizing it, yeah, even lower on the schweet-o-meter. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I part time in a bookstore cafe. Should I tell you about the workout I get lugging approximately 300lbs of books every eight hours shift? (just me out of 2-4 employees) or the loss of money as these schmucks destroy the merchandise with their slovenly actions? or how much of a mess just three idiots with a cup of coffee can make? The least the fuckers could do is leave a tip if their going to ask me to bus the entire freaking table. If I had a digital I would show you what these people can do over a thirty minute period, from perfect to bombshelter in nothing flat. (edit: - I'm sure RoadRash can simpathize with you even more. My poor girl has to deal with people at a free zoo near a park, in the girft shop) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You have to remember, for several hundred years, it was the "in thing" for everyone to be paler than death with rosy cheeks (because only peasants and workers were in the sun). Then modern world travel began, and suddenly the in thing was a tan (because only the rich could afford to flit off the the French Riviera). The make up chicks wear now is a result of a lot of things coming together (you have noticed it's similar in a lot of far off places), and not likely to change. Men, on the other hand, really have a choice. We can set now what will happen, whether we follow some freaks and fruits in LA, NYC, Paris, Tokyo, etc, or we follow what our fathers have done. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

This is a VERY powerful point that quite frankly can probably be applied to most arguments of this nature. And most participants in those arguments. Oh well, I'm off. Take care, all. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

So can men answer if they have one they call their own? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*