Brian425

Now my other thread seems so irrelevent. I am not sure what to do? Do I ask for video or do I grab the little woman here and imitate Chopchop. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

I like Chaoskitty's answer best!

Flyalbert, I'll add you to the friends I have not met yet list if you put on pants. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

Downwardspiral, Life is easy!! Work hard, play and be good to your friends. Treat all people as a new friend until they prove otherwise. If I had only learned that at 18 instead of 28, I would be king of the world. Buying beer never hurts either. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

Downwardspiral, I agree, if I act like an ass I should expect to be treated like an ass. That just how I was taught. I ask questions from everyone and then take it back to my coach to discuss things I have learned/heard. There are always a few cocky and arrogant people. That's just life. I did not barge into my DZ like a know it all and place myself in the middle. I said hello to everyone, I bought beer. I introduced myself, I bought beer, I asked a few questions, I bought beer, I bought more beer. Just kidding. (but I did buy beer) I know people's attidtude play a big part in how they are treated. I'm too old (34) to be out posing and pretending to be what I am not. I've been the stupid arrogant ass in other areas. It's just that the skydiving people I know never had to deal with it. I was very fortunate early on in racing to have a mentor who guided me. He stuck by me even when I was wrong. He pointed out my mistakes and made me understand why I was wrong. He also taught me how to mend fences when I was an ass. Then he taught me it was much easier never to have to go mend fences for no reason. If you met me at 18, you probably would have said the same aobut me. Chalk it up to youth and/or inexperiennce. Damn, I'm long winded tonight. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

Amazon, I agree with you 100% about safety issues. I personally would never ask nor accept an invitation to participate in ANYTHING in which I thought would create a hazard for others. I have the choice to put my self in danger. If I put others in danger, I am wrong and I am not a good member of that community. I did not mean to bash you or anyone else who made low jump commetns. I just want people to be aware how much of an impact experienced jumpers have on students and low jump number people. We are very fragile. We are essentially babies in this sport. We need some nurturing at times and sometimes we will ask stupid questions. That is what all newcomers do. I truly appreciate you posting a reply in here. I did not single you out in my mind when I wrote this post. It was more to point out the newbie's perspective. The opinions and actions of the more experienced skydiver really do matter to us. Hopefully we can meet one day, have a beer and a few laughs. I'll add you to the list of the friend I have yet to meet. If you are ever in NYC or up at the Ranch, I will do what ever I can do to make you visit enjoyable. And if I am down by you, I expect a free room, a wake up call and strong coffee. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

I was just a little disapponted with the low jump number comments. (I should not be so sensitive.) For me this forum was a goldmine during AFF and still is today. Arlo gave me guidance about altimeters, and some other gear. I met Jonny1488, Selbub, and Nullified at my DZ from here. They all welcomed me as if I was a new friend they had not yet met. It went a long way to convince me to keep me going in this sport during the crappy summer weekends we had. I was the person who chose to continue because of the kind words and the friends I met. I am sure I am not alone in this. To give you all a little perspective. I nursed a friend through his first year riding streetbikes. He is now an instructor and coach for team Pro Motion (a motorcylce road racing club). We somtimes laugh about his first summer riding. Now I cannot keep him in my sight on the track. Did I make him so good? No. Did I help build some of the passion he has and help him build good fundamentals? YES. This sport is no different. A little patience for the students and the curious people goes a long way to building a sport. Edited for spelling. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

I think this was posted last year. Ivan, a little help please. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

Just a question that I know will stir the pot a little; yet, somehow I feel compelled to ask. Kat69's post about sexuality has brought some opinions out that I have never really heard here. At what point are you a skydiver? I have only 13 jumps. I have completed my AFF and I am working on my A. The weather and some unfortunate work circumstances put me on hold for the winter. I consider myself a skydiver. Yes I am a newbie and I will have to pay my dues and learn; but, I feel that I am 100% a skydiver. I don't that jump numbers alone constitute a skydiver. In my opinion, a person becomes a skydiver when they make the commitment to learn and grow in the sport. I have bought a rig and my gear and I have made a commitment to attend canopy control school in the spring. This is a sport that I am commited to and I intend to do my best to become a safe and skilled skydiver. I have also been very lucky in where I chose to go through AFF. Everyone I have met has been nice to me. I truly mean EVERYONE. Maybe it's just my DZ, maybe it's how I treat other people. Either way, going to the DZ, even on days when I could not jump, was enjoyable. I think everyone who made comments about people who have only done a tandem or two should look back at there first days in the sport. It's amazing how far a little compassion or a kind word to a new person goes. I truly believe that it could make the difference between a one jump thrill seeker and a person who says maybe I should come back and try this again. As silly as it sounds other students looked up to me when was getting ready to do my first solo. They seemed to think that I was some highly skilled skydiver. I was just a nervous guy standing around in a student rig, wondering if I had the ability to do this alone. We all started somewhere. In my opinion, you will gain far more respect if you give respect. We all learned to ride a bicycle, drive a car and skydive. No I am not qualified to give a new person advice on gear or how to skydive. I think I am highly qualified to give them words of encouragement, a smile and some help dealing with their fears. I am not saying that you should set out the welcome wagon for every student that passes through. Just say hello and give them a chance as a person. You might be surpised at what you find. A diamond looks like every other rock until it is cut cleaned and polished. Brian The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

I had an economics class with Dr. Harry Markowitz. He won a Noble prize for economics in 1990. A great teacher and a wonderful man. I still speak to him once or twice a year. He called me last week for the holidays. It's amazing how down to earth he is. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

Ivan keeps us in line when it comes to reposts. He's never nasty, just enjoy it. I'm amazed at how fast he can find them. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

Oh yeah, I meant employed. Wee what all that college did for me. And I was sober when I wrote it. I guess I was a little happy. I'll definitely be up at the ranch to celebrate the holidays and my working. Also CIBC said they want to have me back for a second and I have an interview with Bearing Point. I'm on a roll right now. I guess that if you keep trying, you will be sucessful. First round on me this Saturday. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

Who cares what or who you like. As long as you don't hurt andyone and they are of age it's your business. If your friends can't deal with it, then they are not your friends. Here's a few hugs. Don't let a few closed minded people ruin your sex life. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

Thanks guys. I think I'll do a little celebrating.

I'm back among the ranks of the unemployed. I'm starting work Monday at UBS. It's another consulting gig and the commute is prety far; but, it's work. I also had a good interivew at CIBC (I'll have a second once it's scheduled) and I have one tomorrow at Bearing Point (formerly KPMG Consulting). It might turn out to be a good Christmas after all. I truly do not like not having a job. It's fun for a few days; but, once it's over 2 weeks, it get boring pretty fast. I might go out Thursday night and celebrate. And celebrate again at the Ranch christmas party, and celebrate with Eva at home. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

I'll be up this weekend for the party. This out of work thing has been kicking my ass a little. I have some good prospects so hopefully it'll work out. Bubbles this is for Kolos so don't say anything. Joe wants us to jump the prison suits that the tandems wear so there are enough suits for all the students. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

I jump at the ranch. I just finished AFF and am working toward my A also. The Ranch is not intimidating at all. Everyone is really nice and willing to help us newbies. I think you will have a lot of fun jumping there. Also the scenery is beautiful. I would call ahead to check what you need to do. While not "strict", they tend to play it on the safe side with people off student status. They may want you to do a dive with a coach. The number is 845 255-4033. This weekend is also the X-mas party. So it might be better to jump on Saturday. I think there might be a few sore heads on Sunday. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

The pictures are a great idea. I've got a few digital pictures of him and a few of all of us AFF students/graduates together. I'll get some pictures printed up today and I'm bringing the suit to the dry cleaners. I'll pack it up with a few of those little "airplane" bottles and a jump ticket. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

http://www.fedex.com/ratefinder/home?cc=US&language=en Sorry I don't know how to make it a clicky. Just put in the estimated size and weight of the box and the method of shipping and it will give you the shipping cost. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

If I was working cash would not be a problem. I just don't have it. I don't think he expects a gift. I just figured it would be nice to give it to him. I'll wrap it up as nice as I can and give it to him. I'm sure he will appreciate it. It's the best I can do right now and my intentions are good. I think he'll see that. Thanks everyone. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

As a motrcyclist, I am very happy about this, Janklow had numerous tickets for speeding/etc. He killed an innocent person. He needs to pay. I will not commet further. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

I am not working right now. Money is a little tight; but, not terrible. I have two RW suits, one I bought and one that was given to me. I drive a friend that I met during AFF and he shares the gas money when we drive to the dz. Would it be ok to give him one of the suits that I have as a gift? I know that it's not new and I feel a little bad giving something that I did not buy new as a gift for him. He needs a suit and it will get him through the spring/summer until he can get his own gear. I have told him that he can jump my rig until he gets a rig of his own. I just feel bad giving a gift I did not buy new. Any opinions? I wish I had the $$$$ to give him a nice gift as he has been very good to me. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

I did not even read you post. In my humble opinion, if you think you owe beer, than you should buy beer. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

We have about 10-12 inches toatl here in NYC. I just had the truck out playing in the snow. I made $40 pulling two people out of the snow. A neighbor of mine is an emergency room doctor, he offered me $100 to drive him to and from work today. Of course I took that deal. Hospital paid me out of petty cash. The only down side is that I can't drink beer until after he gets off work at 10 PM Oh well I made a little money and had some fun playing in the snow. The downside is that he mentioned that he might look at a Rover next week. I told him not to waste the money, just have me drive him to and from work for the winter. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand.

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