RonD1120

Ron, the problem is that you don't know how to explain to people who are certain that they've seen the light that they're looking at an LED instead of the sun. You're good at dealing with people who are stumbling around in the dark banging their shins on the coffee table, but not so good at talking to those who've found a flashlight and are content with that. If you can show them that there's so much more than what they can see with just that little light, then they might realize just how much dark is still there. Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. 1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. Arguments with adolescents are useless. I have the victory in Jesus Christ. I only wish to share the path to that victory with others who seek or need salvation from their sorrow, mental anguish, double bind, bondage in sin, whatever. I will not invest more in their salvation than they are willing to invest. I know, from my previous interactions with you, that you mean to provide wise counsel and I thank you for your efforts. In this thread I'm going to see how far I can go with just Scripture, which is derived from the Holy Spirit inspired writings of 44 authors in 66 books covering a period of 1500 years. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Proverbs 3:4-6 (King James Version) 4So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. 5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

"God does not give us overcoming life; He gives us life as we overcome." ~Oswald Chambers The MD reference is very much in context. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

No... That is what YOU required to receive your evidence. What others required to receive theirs was to seek it AND find someone who knew how to explain it. Assuming that the experiences of others will be identical to yours is the height of ego, and the reason that believers almost never adequately debate those who require intellectual debate, which does a disservice to both the intellectuals and to God, and makes the believers come off as morons because they appear to fail to understand what they profess to believe. There are some extremely educated Christian scholars. The problem is that they get drowned out by a lot of the idiots that manage to get themselves on television and wander around handing out tracts. Those folks may reach some people, but when faced with an intellectual, they're clueless, and when questioned in front of others, can do far more harm than good because they lack the simple ability to articulate their beliefs. Romans 10:9 (King James Version) 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:13 (King James Version) 13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Before you can be saved, you must admit to yourself you are lost. Self must die first. Sorrow must be felt. Suggest William Wilson, MD, Former Director of Psychiatry, Duke University c.1983, as a reference. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Your post adequately makes my point. People almost never become believers through intellectual debate. God requires obedience and faith. You must surrender your ego to God to receive the evidence your require. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

I found THIS very interesting: ... The careers of both men were seriously damaged by their use of Janabi's claims, which he now says could have been – and were – discredited well before Powell's landmark speech to the UN on 5 February 2003. ... Janabi claimed he was first exposed as a liar as early as mid-2000, when the BND travelled to a Gulf city, believed to be Dubai, to speak with his former boss at the Military Industries Commission in Iraq, Dr Bassil Latif. The Guardian has learned separately that British intelligence officials were at that meeting, investigating a claim made by Janabi that Latif's son, who was studying in Britain, was procuring weapons for Saddam. That claim was proven false, and Latif strongly denied Janabi's claim of mobile bioweapons trucks and another allegation that 12 people had died during an accident at a secret bioweapons facility in south-east Baghdad. Amazing that we went to war as a result of stories told by someone already known to be a liar. "Never let a good crisis go to waste." ~Rahm Emanuel Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Don't you know, the left wing liberals thrive on the "shifting, whispering sands." Concrete decisions based on solid foundations of belief scare the $#!+ out of them. Mental masturbation is their most favored hobby. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[sarcasm] Absolutely - let's put everyone we don't like into a fake prison and hold them there without charge until we can 'figure out' who has jurisdiction [/sarcasm] Not everyone, I am referring to one person who reached the center of the world stage by committing cyber terrorism. But you understand where I am coming from. You simply need, crave the last word. So take it. I doubt if I return to this thread. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

I'm there. Have a good day. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Well, I do not know how the criminal justice system works in Australia. My thoughts are aiding and abetting the conspiracy to commit treason. The treason charge falls to Manning. Assange could be held at Gitmo with his kind while charges get sorted out and who actually has jurisdiction. Manning has an ideal situation. If convicted and sentenced to life in prison he would have room, board, clothing and medical paid for. Plus, he could have all the boyfriends he could handle. Looks like trying to get even with the U.S.ARMY for demoting him was a perfect career move. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Sorry, Ron. You don't quite get it yet. "Since you can only think in the extremes, then yes. I'd have total openness and honesty over total hiding and deception any day. Evidently, you cannot grasp the concept of "middle ground"....the gray areas, if you will. " I guess you missed that part. But to address your misstatement... I don't see a problem with striving to make things better. "Get right on that" is the right way to go. Are you really happy with the way things are now? Status quo is a way of life? I know that this world is not going to get better until Jesus Christ returns and establishes His millennial reign. This conclusion is derived from eschatology. In my lifetime there have not been any major improvements other than technological. Things continue to go downhill. Therefore, we must deal with the bad guys, read evil, with extreme prejudice. It is what it is. Bottom line, the SC is nothing but opinion. Nothing posted here does anything. It is all vent, rave, rant, praise and laugh. No one here, I believe, has any effect on the outcome of the lives of Manning and/or Assange. I would simply like to see them both spend the rest of their worthless lives in prison. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Oh, now I get it. You and TK want Utopia. No sweat, let's get right on that. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

You and TK are making an extreme assumption. I want Manning and Assange brought to trial for their treason. You still don't get it do you? Assange has comitted NO treason or any crimes 9as far as I can tell) in YOUR country. SITCC I want him so charged and brought to trial. What is SITCC? Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

I want to see both Manning and Assange given a fair trial. Manning should receive a courts martial. Assange should be tried in a civilian court. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

You and TK are making an extreme assumption. I want Manning and Assange brought to trial for their treason. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

PFC Bradley Manning, deluxe fancy boy, is in the U.S. ARMY. He leaked confidential possibly secret military communications or information to a whistle blower. Therefore, Manning is a military traitor. It is a military concern. The whistle blower, Julian Assange, is an Australian citizen. Australia is an ally of the United States of America. He is a civilian traitor. He corroborated the military treasonous acts. It is not a difficult issue for me to comprehend. The friend of my enemy is my enemy. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Excellent work! I appreciate your efforts and your explanatory contribution to SC. You will only be opposed or denigrated by those who fear the truth of what you stated. I wonder who that will be? Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

for the fourth time: No one has yet named a single incident of someone, something being put in danger nor a life that has been jeopardized, nor a foreign relationship that has been damaged by what Wikileaks has done. What you do not comprehend is, in a military situation, the potential to jeopardize the safety of personnel and/or the mission is a punishable offense. Assange is willing to harm others. You support him. Bad on you for bragging about supporting an enemy of the United States of America. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

By the time most Americans wake up on Friday, he'll probably either be dead or have committed mass murder. What he should have done on Thursday was take a couple million in gold out of the bank, wave goodbye and hop on his jet to France. Friday is not going to be pretty. NPR news announced @ 1202 that Hosni Mubarak has resigned. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

That decision is/was above my pay grade. The President had/has information that we do not have. That is why they are called national secrets in America's best interest. We don't kill bad guys by popular vote. We kill bad guys because those who see the big picture know it needs to be done. Bring in the sheepdogs. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

That is the point. The catalyst for extreme emotion is that you and some others are supporting a low-life who is willing to place American lives in unnecessary danger on the world's stage. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

I only met one man, somewhere around 1992, for whom this was a problem. He would expound greatly on the unfair, barbaric, humiliating practice. He referred to it by a book title, The Unkindest Cut Of All. A few years ago this guy committed suicide, drug overdose. I guess this was an unsolved life long anger issue. Or, he had other problems and he was trying desperately to find a cause. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.