Bolas

My first thoughts ran to Star Wars and spice smuggling. On a serious note though it does seem rather dumb to pick up a drug habit in the military, its probably the most secure job (employment wise) there is right now and people are actually going out of their way to fuck it up? Look at it this way, it's Darwinism. They are weeding themselves out. Nice pun. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Agreed, but recognize some people are never going to make good decisions and will either learn through injury or be useful as an example to others of what NOT to do. BSR's are not the answer, but they are viewed as a quick fix. If someone doesn't like something rather than understand why and attempt to unbiasly educate, they just make it "illegal." This way when it continues to happen they can just say those people are wrong and maybe occasionally bust someone for breaking the law so they think they're making a difference. Give the people the knowledge so they can make their own decisions. Try to explain the risk as well. If they decide to proceed the same path anyways, so be it. They roll the dice and take their chances. Conversely if a DZO or vendor decides to self impose limits, that's their choice. Forcing them to stifles the both the free market and free will. There are already DZs out there with various restrictions already that either the DZO decided on or his customer base requested. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

She looks familiar... Was she at the Revolution Boogie? Homina homina. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

How are you online? Everyone knows that there's no internet or phone service out there. Err, at least that's what I tell my employer. Sorta looking forward to only being able to use my AT&T phone as a flashlight and a camera.

If it's explicitly forbidden why is it that long a section? This is the problem with incredibly long laws, regulations, bills, etc. Not only are they extremely difficult to read, comprehend, and interpret, the message and intent lots of times gets lost. Specifying every criteria allows loopholes in new situations versus simply using direct statements. Additionally, the longer it is the easier to slide additional items in for some group's special interest. Clear, conicse, and to the point eliminates gray areas and loopholes.

Or to put it another way, if it's a sex fantasy, it's probably wrong. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

No waiver is going to prevent you from having to spend thousands on lawyers. On top of that, gross negligence cannot be waived. Disagree with you on that, some waivers are written so all legal costs or a set amount is automatically granted. Where's the gross negligence? If the gear was not provided you might have a case, but if the gear is available and in this case the SOP/guidelines is to treat gas leaks like fires then they simply made a concious decision based on complacency. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

uhh, yeah... sure, coupon-clipping... thats what i was talking about Better give her the kid safety scissors for your own safety. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

I knew you were kinky, but...

Sure, when there are students or the general public involved. And paraphrasing what you said about competitions, the organizers of the comp can set whatever requirements they please, just like DZOs. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Until they get the A license, they don't have the right to kill themselves. Hopefully afterwards they'll learn not to. As for your other examples: * One can compete at 25 jumps unless that competition has a min jump number. * Demos are so far out of the realm, they aren't relavent. * Coaching and instruction of course they can't do yet as it leads back to the higher level of care required for unlicensed jumpers. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Going back to post #1 Bill Von's mythical Stan the Student had zero jumps. Why would you waste the time to give him the test for free? Whether he passes the test or not he damn well better go through the whole ground school. And he would or might just leave. But rather than just telling him, you show him that he's not ready. The "free" offer would be some equivalent to if you pass our tests, we go jump with your rules, if you don't you either take the full training at regular price or pay $x for the testing time. Most likely the first time you put him in the hanging harness wearing that camera and show him a mal, he'll freeze or screw up and then you explain to him that had he done that in the air he'd be dead. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Employees, yes, but would that be needed for customers that signed a waiver saying they couldn't sue? Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

When I got my A license it was referred to by my instructor as the "license to kill yourself" and was accompanied by a speech about how no one was responsible for me anymore and I could do whatever I wanted if I chose to but that didn't mean I should. Until they get the A license, they don't have the right to kill themselves. Hopefully afterwards they'll learn not to. It's all about knowledge. If someone wants to learn to wingsuit, swoop, or camera fly we should teach them regardless of jump numbers at least the ground school portion. Part of this training should involved the recommendations and risks as well as simulated practice techniques they can do. If they still insist on doing whatever, they at least know and accept the risks. Where we're losing is the people that say or imply "If you do x, you'll get hurt or killed", because that's not true. They stand a much higher chance of getting hurt or killed, but it's not a certainty. Another more effective route may be to determine what their goals are and explain how by rushing they're going to make it take longer. Then there are those that won't listen and may only learn via IPA-Intense Physical Agony or survive the curve. I do agree there is a potential requirements COI if the instructor is also a vendor rep. Edit: In Stan's case offer to let him take a test for free but if he fails, he has to go through the whole ground school. Then either give him some of the USPA tests as well as some hanging harness scenarios.

Off course it is their right to. But that is exactly what drives the reaction by the employer, which is what was questioned by the OP. So if they filled out a multi page waiver, possibly with a videod portion, that reaction is not necessary, right? Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Get that A and you can fix that at Couch Freaks.

*cough* Where is yours? hmmm? Shes prolly sittin on it... I wonder if it's comfortable. Id hope so! All that post whoring she does while sitting on it... I dunno, she certainly seems to be squirming alot... Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Definitely a pack separating move either way. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Don't tease Pete like that, giving him the wrong info!!! Pete, put them all in a pile in a field (minus the bottle rockets) and pour some Jet-A on them. Get way back and launch the bottle rockets at the pile.

I do have a robe... Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

I concur. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

You're the 3rd chick today that's done that.

There should be laws and regulations to protect these types of people in addition to the coaching/advice they can already get. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Dear GOD - someone should cut out her ovaries!! What is WRONG with people?? Lack of self-respect?? [shakes head..] She had to give him one more chance... "I made him promise not to watch porn, do blow, and bang his ex in front of me..." Wow.. That kinda cuts down the options for the 3rd date... There's still anime, heroin, and a hooker. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Dear GOD - someone should cut out her ovaries!! What is WRONG with people?? Lack of self-respect?? [shakes head..] She had to give him one more chance... "I made him promise not to watch porn, do blow, and bang his ex in front of me..." Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.