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i originally bought a velcro rig for my first rig, and have recently bought a pin rig for my second rig. my thoughts (for what its worth) if your freefalling in the lower end in your early jumps then the consistancy you get from velcro with your inconsistany with your pack jobs is a good thing - you need to work your way down and find out what your container is doing in short delays - but generally your early pack jobs are so inconsistant that it will have more of an effect on a pin rig than an velcro rig on pull force pressure.............. correct me if im wrong.........

shit...... did i leave a web cam on!?!? except that its not wipe clean like a sail slider.............. oh dear i need to get out more........... oh shit i cant!!

i have never thought of it that way before and have to admit thats a pretty cool theory. From Childhood we are taught "dont go to close to the edge" - it is taught from an early age that standing on the edge of things we can fall off is wrong and not the thing to do - for years this has been the way we are conditioned - this is in most societies and peoples conditioning. So when someone breaks away from this conditioning the "normal" people feel threated and confused on why or how you can do this....... just think of the reaction from people around you at work or in life - always its about the fear of heights or the fear of falling that causes them to think "your insane" - these other sports we spout as being equally as "nuts" are acceptable as they dont break with any of the conditions that are ingrained in us - kids always climb trees. climbing frames, they sledge when the snow falls, they ride bikes and horses, they are taken on boat cruises, they go swimming and under water - all of these activities that kids do can be linked in someway to the other sports / activities - not one will be of the nature of going to edge and falling toward the planet............ i agree with you - its peoples fear and confusion that gives them a negative view of BASE jumping........... just my worthless thoughts worth..........

does not work......... it was only when i was threatened with life ban did I suddenly realise the severity of it all............. its a tuff call and you cant put experienced head on a young dumb and full of cum body........... he just needs to fucking stop it all before he DIES

show off!!..... with your big towers and vators! i hear a very cool place!!

ah I see what you meant now...sail slider whilst skydivining.... sorry i misread you... but yeah why not? depends what you want to do with the canopy - i mean do you also want to put it in a D-Bag? if you want to put a bunch of jumps on it then for stresses and wear you may want to put it in a bag and sail slider - but there is no reason not to put a mesh slider on it and jump it in the same way as you BASE it at terminal.......

.......and cruel to animals...... at least we dont hurt anyone / anything....

the slower the deployment, the more time external factors have to effect the heading performance........... sod using a sail slider - i only have 1 terminal BASE jump and used a large mesh slider - not really that much of a hum dinger opening............

i think he means that due to the height and delay you will possibly be opening next to wires.............

mmmm............. why?

take a read of the femur club post........ i did and it made me feel better in a warped way of "im glad i didnt bust my femur!" you have a little time until you can jump, i have a year until i can jump, my friend has 2 years maybe................... i agree - dont see it as bad luck it happened but good luck that it was not worse! heal fast............. i AM bored!

dude - seems like you have some issues here.......... after your post in the BASE forum and now this one I feel i may be able to offer advice. When I was skydiving from about 100 jumps to 350 jumps I was a fucking twat! (some will probably say I still am! hehehe) I thought i knew everything and i wanted to rewrite my own rules and ignore all the rules and regulations that are there not only to protect you but protect the people around you. I regularly pulled low - in fact I regularly turned off my cypress because of how low i was pulling, this accumulating in approx 10+ groundings in a year and the last being a 3 month ban and possible life ban after a cypress fire when i had not turned off my cypress. I thought I knew what the fuck I was doing, I thought i had it all under control. I thought everyone that was giving me shit did not know what they were talking about - hell i thought i was being treated harshly when I almost got banned for life........... I did a further 150+ skydives after this 3 month ban and I also started BASE jumping..... I look back at my period of dangerous skydiving and I thank the lord that I was not DEAD! - its easy with hindsight to look back and say dont do what i did - but please ensure you allow yourself the position to look back...... death is pretty fucking final and there is no second chance......... You did an intentional cut-away? why? If you want to do this then arrange it with the CCI, get clearance and a tertiary reserve, you said on the BASE board that you pull low - why do you want to do that? you have a complex dual parachute deployment system on you back that although is packed correctly and used correctly can still MALFUNCTION.............. pull heights are not there to spoil your fun, they are not there to be over cautious, they are there to help you not kill yourself......... I would now NEVER dream of pulling below 3k on a skydiving rig.............. its not worth it.... really its not worth it........ I look back and question why I used to do these things (low pulls, low hooks) - i have still not come up with any reason, all I know is that if my time comes I dont want people to say "he deserved that" or "well it was only a question of time" - i would prefer them to say "shit happens sometimes". There is no point in endangering your life with out point (and yes an intentional cut-away is endangering your life without a reason - I would not fucking do it and I jump a single parachute system!!) I am at the moment sat at home after busting my leg and ankle up...... I will not jump for a year and have another surgery to look forward to that may or may not mean I am allowed to start trying to put weight on it and try and walk after 4 fuckin months! - why did this happen? I left myself no room for error...... I fucked up and I have myself to blame........ I have a year not jumping all because of it - is being out for a year worth that little bit extra I took, no its not...... dont put yourself at unnecessary risk....... it does not go right all the time.......... and only takes 1 time to ruin a beautiful day......... Peace out

i have a mate who does cave diving - (his mate does unchartered cave diving!!)- i think that is just mad as a box of frogs... ..... the most insane thing is sitting on your fat arse not doing any of these activities but watching TV................

check out all the articles on the ABA site - there are some very good ones there...... hey "it aint no thang"!

yes............ just get a container that can take the size of your canopy and connect it up............. alot of people skydive their canopies to dial them in................. ......and alot of people dont!!

peace brother............... peace to the 812 brothers in front of me and peace and well wishes to the others that followed................. rock on!

where in europe are you talking about - PM me

if you dont know and you BASE jump, then stop going out of the house and go back to skydiving! if you dont BASE jump then sorry, it means: on a tri wire A and your looking to jump in between 2 wires then wind down the wire means that when you looking out between the 2 wires then the wind direction is traveling in the direction of one of those wires.......... wind up the wire means that as your on a tri wire then there is one wire behind you and wind is traveling up that wire and spliting the other two straight down the middle of the ones you want to exit between............... (on your back) - hope that makes some sense!! M PS: hey JU did i flame and help at the same time???? nice one!

if you took time to check his profile you would see!!!

well thats where we differ........... I am a firm believer in looking at object #'s, type of objects, range of heights, range of configuration.......... on your theory then would you say someone with 1000 off the 486 span be a better advisor than someone with 250 jumps, 70 different objects, many objects opened, nice spilt between SU / SD, terminal / sub-terminal, ???? just curious thats all........my point is that jump numbers are certainly not (too me) a be all and end all in the guage of experience............. just my bust up sitting on my arse worth......

congrats................

http://www.basejump.org/discus/articles/differences.html Differences Between B.A.S.E. Jumping and Skydiving by Tom Begic Differences Between B.A.S.E. Jumping and Skydiving. Why A B.A.S.E. Jump is Not Just Another Skydive. You Can't Skydive From a Cliff! Everyone has seen pictures of the amazing 3000ft cliff in Norway, known as Kjerag. This inspires many skydivers to make the pilgrimage to what is perceived as a relatively safe B.A.S.E. jump. But is it really safe? And are skydivers adequately prepared for every scenario that they may encounter. As time goes by and the number of fatalities increases, it is being proven that skydivers are NOT adequately prepared. How do you prepare for big wall B.A.S.E. jumping? What differences are there between high and low altitude jumps? I use a technique called Potential Problem Analysis on each and every jump. To be able to use this technique effectively, you first need to be able to recognise and analyse all possible variables (scenarios) and then map out a plan of action prior to jumping. For a skydiver wanting to attempt B.A.S.E. jumping, this means that they should: know about all possible skydiving malfunctions and how to deal with them. have an intimate knowledge of equipment. have the right motivation for wanting to jump. obtain the right training from the right people. know about all possible B.A.S.E. malfunctions. know the differences between skydiving and B.A.S.E. jumping. The last point is especially relevant because many of the incidents in B.A.S.E. jumping involve skydivers who make the statement its 3000ft, hence its just like doing a hop’n’pop on a skydive – how easy and safe is that!”. This thought could not be further from the truth. Let's split up a jump and analyse the differences between skydiving and B.A.S.E. jumping. SITE ACCESS On a skydive, you just hop on an aircraft and away you go. On a B.A.S.E. jump, you may have to do hours of difficult hiking, technical climbing, and mountaineering. There is also the issue of legality and trespassing – are you allowed to walk to the exit point and jump off it? EXIT On a skydive, all you need to do is hop out of the aircraft. There is plenty of airspeed for you to be able to fly into the correct body position. You also have a lot of free space around you. On a B.A.S.E. jump, quite often the exit point is difficult to access, slippery, unstable, secured (i.e. security, refer to legal access issues), radiated, electrified, etc. There is no airspeed as you leave the object. This means that you have to put your body in the correct position. If you become unstable, you must use gymnastic &/or diving techniques to regain stability. You can’t “arch” into a stable position for a number of seconds. The exit point is usually precise, if you jump a few metres either side of defined exit point you may introduce further dangers (such as a protruding ledge). FREEFALL Once you exit an aircraft, you have a lot of free space around you. It does not really matter what you do until you commence your deployment. On a B.A.S.E. jump, there is an object near you. Therefore you effectively lose half of your space. You must maintain separation from the object. Can you guarantee the you don’t backslide a few feet on every skydive?? On an underhung object, backsliding a few feet would probably lead to an ugly death. Your freefall time is finite. On lower objects you must be precise in calculating you delay. On a skydive, a few seconds either side of the planned opening altitude does not matter. On a B.A.S.E. jump, a few fractions of a second could mean the difference between life and death. As in the exit, you must use gymnastic &/or diving techniques to regain stability in the first few seconds of a jump if you become unstable. DEPLOYMENT Stability is critical on deployment. Your shoulders must be parallel with the ground and your back must point up to provide a clear space for your pilot chute and canopy to deploy. This is true in both skydiving and B.A.S.E. jumping. However, most B.A.S.E. jumpers use single parachute systems. Hence, you must guarantee each and every opening. You would usually get away with an unstable skydiving deployment and you have a reserve to deal with the consequences. Another critical factor is the height consumed during a deployment. It is very important that a B.A.S.E. jumper uses equipment that consistently consumes the same altitude with minimal variance on every jump. 100 feet here or there are not important on a skydive, yet on a B.A.S.E. jump, it could mean the difference between life and death. The first part of the deployment (from throwing the pilot chute to line stretch) is the most important on a B.A.S.E. jump. The slightest pilot chute hesitation on a low or underhung object could mean the difference between life and death. As an example: you are on a low jump (250ft), and have a hesitation such that the distance consumed during deployment is greater than usual. Most jumpers will begin to panic and undermine their body position. This could lead to off headings or entanglements. The hesitation may mean that you could impact the ground prior to full canopy deployment. The hesitation may be caused by: incorrect pilot chute selection (material, geometry, size, construction, etc), incorrect bridle length, incorrect stowage or holding methods, incorrect usage technique, downward wind rotors, air density/pressure/ temperature, plus many other factors. Would you consider any of these on a skydive? You have to on a B.A.S.E. jump. CANOPY FLIGHT You MUST pre-plan your flight path and allow for all deployment eventualities on most B.A.S.E. jumps. Most sites have obstructions from exit to landing and may have very tight landing areas. Often there are no out landing options. You have to use all your control inputs (front and rear risers, toggles) to control the flight of your canopy. Due to the greater time and space available on most skydives, this is not usually a problem. LANDING Landing areas in Australia are often tight with no outs, steep, and covered in sharp rocks or other "injurious" objects. In case of injury, they are also not easily accessible to medical and rescue personnel. In contrast, most skydivers land in open fields. Hence your canopy choice, flight path planning, accuracy skills, personal protective equipment (ankle protecting and shock absorbing boots, knee pads, elbow pads, helmet, etc) must all be of a high standard. EQUIPMENT As long as your skydiving equipment is maintained, packed, and used correctly, you can use the same gear on every jump (notwithstanding the discipline specific equipment that is available nowadays such has CRW and accuracy gear). In B.A.S.E. jumping every component of your gear and its configuration must be taken into account on each and every jump. This can best be explained using two contrasting examples. Example 1: a 1500ft bridge onto a large grass landing area. You could use virtually any sort of B.A.S.E. equipment in any configuration. Example 2: a 200ft cliff onto a tight, sloped, and rocky landing area. You need the following specific equipment: large reinforced pilot chute (> 45 in) for extra drag and faster extraction. longer bridle (~ 9 ft long) with NO collapsing system to avoid the burble zone. multiple bridle attachment point preferred to minimise centre cell stripping. brakes set appropriately (this is dependant on wing loading and characteristics of the particular canopy you are jumping). appropriate wing loading - 0.7 lbs per square foot preferred. bottom skin vents or pac valves to enhance early pressurisation. a secure (but quick release) toggle system to prevent premature toggle release. slider removed or down. brake lines stowed outside the keeper ring. unobstructed (i.e. cover flaps lifted) & primed pins or velcro. pilot chute folded / stowed and used correctly (poor technique can lead to minor hesitations which at very low altitudes translates to higher potential for death). good body position. At this altitude, head high position is preferred. single parachute systems since there is no time for an alternate parachute. appropriate PPE (personal protective equipment) such as shock absorbing ankle protecting boots, knee pads, elbow pads, helmet, etc. Other equipment such as back braces, abrasion resistant pants, etc could also be used. knowledge of weather conditions & the affect wind has on deploying, flying, and landing canopies. Rotors, downdrafts, venturi affects, etc need to be considered. the ability to say NO to a jump and to reject, peer or ego pressure. ability to determine what skills are required for a jump & whether or not you have the appropriate skill set to perform the jump safely. As you can see, to maximise safety on a B.A.S.E. jump you have to take into account many complexities that most skydivers would not consider. This lack on consideration is the root cause of most of today's incidents and fatalities. Take a few moments to learn about an activity before you participate. This time could save you a lifetime. Tom Begic October 2001

i think it a valid point................. i know that people do jump with the wind down the wire (dependant on factors) I myself have done it in certain winds........ but how many people do it enough that they see no problem in it and thus extend this to taking a newbie out? If the newbie is reliant on your advice then maybe having from the start that jumping with wind down the wire is ok to do is bad practice..... in my ealier jumps i never jumped with winds down the wire no matter if the more experienced on the load were - i was not confident or knowledgeable or experienced enough to do this and only with time did i start to jump in varying other conditions. We all jump in conditions were we would not have done in our earlier jumps, but there are also people that teach that perhaps should not be teaching - so how is it being taught to people? has the mentors own limits been imposed on the newbie? or are the basics taught and then its up to the newbie to find their own comfort levels in time? yep! still bored!

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