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i thought this to be your general viewpoint not entirely connected with your first post - and as such your statement "Because 14 others have done that before me on that load" is still ridiculous The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666

i dont want to nitpick, but your answer startles me a bit. so the clouds started at 1350 meters and the top was at 1650 in this scenario there are two alternatives first one: when you know you are the last to leave the plane and you know you want to open high (for whatever reason) - why didn't you open above the cloud? gives you more time to fly your canopy and enjoy the scenery second one: you also could have opened after clearing the cloud in 1300 meters. hence making shure nobody had drifted into your airspace or you had done the same. thus adding a bit of safety to the situation and to state " Why to jump out? Because 14 others have done that before me on that load." shows some severe lack of judgement. maybe one day you will be in a situation when you are the guy stating he will ride the plane down. no matter what all the others are doing. an maybe, just maybe, the others on the load will be glad that somebody had the guts to break the peerpressure The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666

so you were jumping from 4k meters - did you now at which alti the base of the clouds was? if it was bove 1k meters - why did you have to pull high? good plan to avoid opening in a cloud: check out the alti of the base before boarding - if it is lower than 1k meters i wont jump through them cause you never know where you will come out exactely - specially when you are the last to leave the plane so it was no good idea right from the start The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666

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you got a post on this deleted already in incidents - why don't you give it a rest? otoh: yep, cameras are deadly weapons. maybe we can discuss this in s.c.? The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666

Do you mean something like this? I saw a guy do this to drop down a bit quicker, only for a second or two. yep - btw: nice pic The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666

rule one: don't loose your group on exit. if this fails - well from physics they will fall farther & farther away if you don't do something about it (bet someone is going to explain the why & how) this brings us to rule two: make yourself as small as possible BUT never loose the others out of your vision if you still can't catch up - learn to be the rabbit and outfloat the others as the leader of the next trackdive The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666

i bet one of the answers in here will be: get more jumps and ask again when you have logged 400+ so to be on the constructive side: there's more to it than just mounting a funky stateoftheart camera to your helmet. ask yourself what you are going to put on video. will it be tandems, or FF or are you more into filming RW? can you fly your slot in all these categories? from my experience: having experience in RW definitely helps, having mentors helps even more. meke small steps, proceed slowly and learn from the mistakes of others - and be sure that there's a lot of f***-ups when wearing a camera-helmet. and as probably mentioned many times in here: talk to real people and don't rely on infos posted on the net

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i'm not an instructor but i did all the ground work for two instructors for two seasons. there was (and still is) one simple rule: you drink alcohol or have a smoke or are intoxicated with any other stuff proir to jumping ----» come back next weekend and better be completely clean The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666

of course you can train to be prepared for an awfull lot of situations - nonetheless i think that even with the best training possible you can still mess it up and loose it The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666

guess you boiled my post down to these three lines The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666

After reading the forums, especially s&t and incidents for quite a while now I thought I had to add some of my 0.2’s. Whenever there is a thread in incidents (especially with low-turn incidents or no pulls), a lot of thought is put into preventive measures, like more training or even more regulations. More training is always a good thing, for you never stop learning (even if I think that never stopping to learn is more a matter of attitude than something you can “train” a person to. A dickhead will always remain a dickhead). As for more regulations: I don’t live in the states, your far's and bsr's do not apply in my home-country, so I won’t elaborate on this one. Almost every time one question arises “Why did the jumper in question panic”. The only possible answer is obvious: Because he panicked! And how much panic can affect your behavior is rarely understood thus leaving everybody with a puzzled look on the face still asking for the why. I guess most of you have never been in a situation where real panic took over. So let me share this short one with you. Just recently I started taking classes in scuba-diving. During one of the dives in the pool you have to take your mask off to see what it’s like to loose it underwater. To make the story short: I freaked out completely. I lost it. I thought that I was not able to take one more breath and I blew the whole situation by going back up to the surface. Luckily it was only from the bottom of a 12ft deep pool… Had this happened in real live from far deeper it would have had consequences concerning my health What really shattered me was this: In my mind I knew I was panicking. I thought: Hey, this is only 12 feet of water above your head so shut up and just take a breath. Relax, it's your training, there is nothing o be afraid of you can handle it..... And still there was no fucking way to get out of this state of panic. I was just struggling to get a fresh breath of air on the surface and I couldn’t calm myself. Aftrewards, outside the pool, as soon as i had calmed down i knew i had learned something extremely scaring yet also extremely valuable - how it is to be struck by panic So if you ask yourself the next time: Why did the injured/deceased jumper in question do a “panic turn” or a “panic whatever” – one possible answer is: because he was – for whatever reason – struck by a situation that he had not encountered before and the only answer his mind could come up with was panic. if the jumper was lucky. he was just injured. if not some of us are mourning over a loss Feel free to add your thoughts & comments edit to add some lost sequences The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666

maybe because they are so absorbed talking religion, guns reps vs dems younameitwhateveritis & calling everbody not sharing their beliefs a liberal ? as for intellectual debate: oh come on john, you gotta be kiddin with "intellectual", it's nitpickin & hairsplittin and quarreling over a single word most of the times. edit 4 spell before i get caught by the grammar & spell-police The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666

as for the technical aspect: which tandem-systems do you use? are all systems suitable for tandem-progression? thanks to all for your answers so far The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666

coming from a small dz (austria) where it is the single method taught* i'm just curious: how many of you teach tandem progression? comments on how you decided to do it, what your students think about it and how it is accepted by other instructors (traditional like SL or AFF or even "normal" TI's) are highly appreciated

imho tandem progression is the best teaching method at hand (note: i'm no TI nor AFF-I, just a stupid coach who works with students after tandem-progression) what you said about canopy skills is absolutely true. how do i know this: the dz where i jump teaches tandem progression. it is really small and our landing area is a field 250 x 250 meters (whatever it is in feet or yards) - none of our students ever had a problem landing safely in there. from time to time jumpers coming from other dz's complain about the "small" landing area - what does this tell you? students coming off tandem-progression have sometimes more knowledge of how to fly a canopy than license-holders the downside: there's still to few instructors for this method. you have to be a TI & an AFF-I. and even if you have both qualifications, there is - again imho - a difference in attitude. for some (most? - flame me if you want) TI's a passenger is just a treacherous and unpredictable piece of cargo that has to be delivered (ever heard the term "haul meat"? well i suppose that says enough about attitude ...) - they wouldn't and couldn't see them as a student so i guess tandem-progression will stay a program for minorities for some longer and to everybody teaching it: you have my deepest respect! The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666

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with all due respect - you are handing out a third scenario without knowing who will try it out (yeah, that goes with a lot of things in here). for someone with your experience (altought you quit) this might be an easy stunt to pull off, but for jumper with way less experience....? edit: typo The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666

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