pajarito

Sorry....it was incomplete. He said, "I AM THAT I AM" (Exodus 3:14).

Who's "good?" You? By who's standard. I'm quite certain Adolf Hitler thought he was "good" and "just" in killing 6,000,000 Jews. I mean, he even put crosses on the belt buckles of his troops. God must have been on his side. Been through all this before with Beowulf.

No...by definition God "is" (e.g. "I AM.")

I think most would disagree with you there. Dude. You should stop using the same old catch phrases and try and come up with some new ones of your own.

No way if you truly accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior right there. That's what the Bible teaches us - you could sin, steal and rob your whole life, but if you accept Jesus at the moment you cannot sin anymore, you're still fine, and go to Heaven. Repentance (complete turning away from sin) and trust in Jesus Christ “alone” to save you are what is required. It is a free gift of God and not of works. God gets “all” the credit. If that decision is sincere, the person is “born again” which is necessary for salvation. That person is given a new heart with new desires and no longer wishes to sin. That person “will” still sin on occasion because he/she is still human. However, if that person does “fall” (not “dive) into sin, slips off the path, the Father will put him/her back on it. The only “good” that comes from a person who has been saved is because of the Holy Spirit within them. They are not saved and will not go to heaven because they (themselves) are good at heart. They are saved and will go to heaven because they are very, very wicked at heart, fully deserving of punishment, but have been forgiven. Here’s the kicker, however. If a person has truly been born again (has repented and “received” the forgiveness of Jesus Christ based on what He did for them at the cross), he/she will NOT continue in a pattern of sin. There should be a battle going on. Instead of “floating” down the “river of sin” with most, he/she should be swimming up-current if the Holy Spirit resides within. He resists sin instead of embracing it (1 John 3:9). The fruits of the Sprit should be apparent in their lives. That person should be growing in holiness to be more and more like Christ throughout his/her life. God should be working in them producing love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance, etc (Galatians 5:22-23). If that is not so, then they are probably a “false convert” and are not truly a Christian (even if they carry a card around giving the date of when they “prayed a prayer”). The person you described in your post above sounds more like a hypocrite than a convert. You’re right in that salvation can come at any time when there is sincere repentance and trust in the Savior, however, your scenario sounds fairly unrealistic.

Krishna & Rama are two of Vishnu's 10 mythical incarnations. What evidence do you have of any of them? Why should anyone believe in them and what can any of them do for your problem of sin and its penalty?

We define it based on what we can measure (e.g. speed of light). Just because we can’t fully measure something of that magnitude, however, does not mean that something beyond it doesn’t exist. Logically, it must even if we can’t work it out on paper. Fair enough. I was just pokin’ at ya. No, that is not what I am saying. You just presupposed, and limited God, to being “something” like and even “part of” His creation (use of the word “something” in your first sentence and God merely inserted in parenthesis). He is not. He is eternal. The creation of a Creator is not. Your premise is invalid from the start

Its red brick and is full of patches from all the revisions.... Oh sorry.. that was the end of the internet.... that is the universe right.... I don't always know when to take your posts seriously and if some sort of an attempt at an intelligent response is desired or if they are simply angry and sarcastic rants to be laughed at by some and totally ignored by others.

No problem...bra! How could you possibly know that? Have you seen "the brick wall" at the end with a sign on it saying "You have reached the end." I agree with this but I was unaware that you also believed in the Creator. I agree. Only one thing was not created...God.

Are you saying that God and Space are both eternal and thus God does not need a creator? Wouldn't this also mean that Space does not need a creator? Wouldn't this mean that God did not create Space? Wouldn't this mean that God did not create everything? Wouldn't this mean that it is possible that there are other things that God did not create? ... Are we reading the same quote? "What's behind the brick wall?" He's using space to give you a means by which to even begin to comprehend. By the way, I didn't say it. You keep stating, "Are you saying this...are you saying that?" Well...no....actually, I didn't. I agree with him but I can't take credit for his stuff. But thanks for contributing.

I have to admit. This confused me and I have been looking for answers. I have even e-mailed AiG but have not heard back from them yet. They have answered me in the past, though, so I expect a response. Anyway, here is the passage in question: At first, I was looking at it from the perspective of your objection. I was trying to figure out why in the world he would use the median size to calculate space requirement of "all" the animals on the Ark. The mean would in fact be the appropriate measurement looking at the problem overall. However, in the context of the passage, is he not talking about the space requirement of any "one" animal? I admit I could be very wrong and that's why I have asked the source. I don't think anyone at AiG is "lying" to anyone, however.

No problem whatsoever.

God’s existence is clearly seen through creation. The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being. –Sir Isaac Newton The more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the Creator. –Louis Pasteur Well, since Christianity is diametrically opposed to all the others, they could all be wrong but they cannot all be right. So we’d better dig down deep and figure it out.

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I have never seen you provide any proof that God exists, but I would certainly be interested in seeing such proof, if it exists. We've been through this already. Read way back in the thread.

I can prove God exists too. You just don't accept the proof. You believe something came from nothing, blew up, and produced an organized everything. I say God orchestrated the whole thing just like he said he did. Creation - Conscience What you "believe" is not as important as what is actually so. Hell is a very long time to know you're wrong.

According to you. Sounds like a very large judgement to me. If you were a blind man casually walking toward the edge of a 1000ft cliff, would it be "judging you" if I screamed at you to stop and turn around because I knew that you were about to die? My wife tells me that sometimes. I have no idea what that's got to do with anything. I've got Stephen Hawking's book, "A Brief History of Time" right beside one of my Bibles on my book shelf. I am very interested in science and how it tries to explain the wonders and workings of God's creation. I just hope you don't wind up in hell because you were stubborn. I hope you don't go to hell. Sincerely. It is a real place and you don't want to be there...forever... However, you have a conscience (con = with, science = knowledge) and with knowledge comes accountability. You've been told. Thanks for discussing it with me.

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Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness. You don't have that option. You are commanded to repent and trust the Savior. By the way, hell is most definitely going to be a very crowded place and you won't be in good company. You will be in utter unimaginable terrifying torturous lonely agony and despair for eternity. That is NOT the will of God.

Even a half-wit is capable of figuring out the non-existence of God as a physical individual that oversees the universe like some CEO. Not like some CEO. Like a holy, good, righteous, and just God, Creator of the Universe, who gave you the very breath for you to breathe. It's arrogant and naive to assume one knows the nature of God without actually seeking Him for youself. It's not about me. It's not about you. It's ALL for the glory of God. Hipocracy (false converts) is damnable like anything else. There has been an awful lot of that in church history. By the way, please don't lump sum Catholicism in with Christianity (e.g. your mention of absolution; I guess with reference to a Priest remitting your sin and by your doing something to earn forgiveness.) Religion is simply a roadmap. Added: But if that roadmap doesn't lead you to the cross, it is leading you in the wrong direction.

Who saw it? How many died martyr's deaths because they saw and knew it to be true and would not deny it? By the way, Mohammed never claimed to be God incarnate. He also never claimed that he could forgive sin. He conquered his way to power and influence. What did he or any of his followers do to prove beyond all doubt that he held the truth? (by the way, you're right. I don't believe it. I don't see any evidence or reason to believe it. However, according to Islam, if I do not submit to Allah, I will go to hell.)

We can disagree on the non-essentials, however, we must (and I think we do) agree on the essentials. Those issues with regard to salvation (e.g. salvation (free gift from God) by grace through faith alone in Jesus Christ, the requirement of repentance and trust in the Savior (walking the narrow road through the Holy Spirit which resides within you if you are truly saved). Jesus Christ, born of a virgin, who died on the cross, rose 3 days later, defeating death, for the forgiveness of the sin of mankind. The requirement of being born again of the spirit, etc. All of this is backed up with scripture. You should read it for yourself with an open heart. Your eternal destiny is worth looking into.

If you've not read it, how can you or anyone else here who hasn't read it make definitive statements about any truth that may or may not be within it. I don't remember making any statments as to the Koran's truthfulness. Maybe you could refresh my memory? Sorry......that was probably Jakee or someone else. Just trying to keep up. Same question applies to anyone, however.

If you've not read it, how can you or anyone else here who hasn't read it make definitive statements about any truth that may or may not be within it.

Of course, you wouldn't. Neither would I. The eyes are merely the windows to your soul. How much more is your soul worth? What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and to lose his soul?