pajarito

There is so much in what you posted that is based on incorrect information derived from uninformed (and way overused) assumptions.

You tell me. How should I know, it's your religion. You're not honest enough to admit whether you can or cannot for yourself? You know the standard whether you believe in it or not. You choose to not believe (repent & trust) in the Savior. I never said you could live up to God's standard of goodness even if you "chose" to do so.

The Creation is not "spiritual proof." Creation isn't proof of a god or any god. How everything came to be here is unknown. Evolution is one theory which can be tested. God is a supposition that can not be tested and verified. The kind of evolution you're referring to is proof of squat but...again...that's in another thread.

Did Hitler prove his divinity?

The Creation is not "spiritual proof."

Proving God's existence is easy. It doesn't even require religion or faith. Oh ok Then please prove the existence of a god any god. There's a whole other thread devoted to this.

Your question has been answered many times and in many different ways. I can't make you but...read the thread dude.

Proving God's existence is easy. It doesn't even require religion or faith.

You tell me.

I did not say that his beliefs are less important than mine. What I meant was that belief in what is true is more important than simply what something might mean to me.

No judging going on there! Your words have less relevance to "what is true" than any other I've ever seen here (save Chuteless). What exactly are you referring to?

Your beliefs are not my beliefs. While that may be true, what you believe is not as relevant as what is true.

No, I did not. Have you ever told a lie? When did I ever say that you were programmed? Are you one of these people who simply refuse to take responsibility for your own actions and constantly blame what you do wrong on everybody else?

Your God is fully justified in sending you to hell because you have sinned against Him and Him alone.

According to the Bible and not me, your God created you as a moral agent capable of relationship. He created you with the ability to choose right from wrong. He imprinted on your heart what is right. You choose to do wrong. You also choose to reject the lifeline that He has thrown you. God is absolutely sovereign.

You can’t blame God for your transgression. He created you. He did not make you rebel against Him. Even so, he stepped in and took the punishment you deserve.

Probably even more than that (Matthew 7:13-14, 22). God is extremely caring and merciful not only because He sent His Son to die in your place but because He is withholding the justice that you & I fully deserve because we have broken the Law.

Where does it say He needs your acceptance? By the way, hell is a place of punishment set aside for sinners, however, it is not necessarily just where God isn't.

What Bible verse says that? John 14:6? Nice verse but where does it say that He "needs" our "acceptance?" You see...that would give you some of the credit. That's not going to happen. God gets all the glory......for everything. He's not sitting back wondering "oh...if Nightingale will only just accept me." No...what he requires is your repentance and complete trust in Him to save you. THAT is biblical.

You're right. I just assumed that you'd look into it deeper than you did. My bad. What it does show is that you can trust the Bible. The entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation points to the person of Jesus Christ. He equated Himself with God. He proved who He was by what He did. I guess what I was trying to show is that the vast preponderance of the evidence in the Bible shows the existence of God. You're right in that it does not prove His existence like an experiment in a laboratory. That's not really its purpose. However, you're the one who brought up literary source as a means to show God's authenticity (I think the Bible far outweighs the Iliad by the way). His Creation and your conscience prove the existence of God. THAT is as obvious as the nose on your face. You CHOOSE to deny it and that is your choice. You can't have a true relationship with anyone unless they have the ability to deny it. Despite all the evidence for all of this, it is true that you must come to the Father through faith alone. Not only that, but the faith of a child. That does not mean being intellectually void and also through any lack of evidence. It means that you must put down ALL of your self-righteous, selfish pride, and arrogance before you will be allowed to step into His presence. Sadly, that is the hardest thing for us all to do.

Way oversimplified strawman argument.

What Bible verse says that? These are all such very old arguments. ***This question raises many issues. If God is all loving, why would He send people to hell? What is hell? Is it a place of eternal torment? Why create creatures knowing they will end up in an eternity of damnation? Is God helpless to save them all? Often times, skeptics try and present an idea so that fairness and compassion necessitate that the Christian God cannot be real. For example, they sometimes say that a truly loving God would not create people He knew would go to eternal punishment. Of course this is only an opinion, but it is sometime raised nonetheless. As one skeptic put it, "If God truly loves us (this sacrificial love you talk about) then he would simply say 'I do not want the child to be born'. He is in control and has that ability doesn't he? As I would not wish any of my children who I love to go through a life of agonizing pain." The main problem with such an approach is that it is overly simplistic and based on emotionalism, not scripture. So, let's look at what the Word of God says. First of all, when God made Adam, He made him good. Adam had the freedom to choose to obey or disobey God. Adam is the one who rebelled. God did not make him rebel and God is not responsible for Adam's rebellion. It would be like a parent having a child knowing that the child would eventually disobey the parent. Does this means that the parent is responsible for the child's rebellion when it occurs because the parent knew it would happen? Of course not. Furthermore, if the parent has more children, does he/she not know that some children may very well turn out good and others bad? Should the parents then not have children because some of them might turn out bad? The skeptic, if he is consistent, would urge parents not to have any children at all lest some of them turn out bad. But the skeptic might say, "But God knows for a fact who will be bad and good. Why allow the people going to hell to be born in the first place?" But, if this is the case and if God arranged it that no "bad" people were born, then we would all go to hell. You see, Jesus is the only way to be forgiven of our sins. His sacrifice on the cross was necessary in order to make it possible for us to be saved because everyone, "good" and "bad" has sinned. If there were no "bad" people born, then there wouldn't be any "bad" people around who would have sent Jesus to the cross. If that never happened, then we wouldn't be saved from our sins because Jesus would never have been unjustly condemned and His sacrifice would never have happened. Second, if someone says that it is wrong for God to allow someone to be born who will go to hell, then would he rather have God remove our freedom to rebel against Him so that no one can be blamed for sin? If the critic says he only want those people born who go to heaven, then how are they truly free and how would that fulfill the ultimate plan of God to sacrifice His Son for the redemption of mankind? Third, God could have reasons for sending people to hell that we cannot understand. Fourth, God is just and always does what is right. Therefore, sending people to hell is the right thing to do, especially when we understand that God is eternally holy and those who sin against God incur an infinite offense because the infinite God is the one who is offended. Finally, the Bible simply tells us that people will go to hell. They go there because they are not covered by the sacrifice of Christ. Whether or not they are created or not does not effect the fact that sinners must be punished; otherwise, the holiness and righteousness of God mean nothing.

And yours is based on the assumption that something came from nothing, blew up, and became an organized everything.

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