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I guess I agree to disagree then. I just think there is a much bigger picture to all of this.
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No. It is important that we find out what it means for "all of us."
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No. God set the boundaries. Not any of us. >God's moral law stands firm. We're not bound by it anymore. The Bible makes that clear. It's still part of history. We just have to understand the differences in Old Testament law (e.g. civil, ceremonial, moral).
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Her action is not justified and I think it would be accurate to state that she has broken the 6th Commandment. Remember, my basis is from God's moral law. His standard. Not what you're studying in school. You can't plead temporary insanity in God's courtroom. He knows your heart.
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God's moral law stands firm.
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Murder is wrong. Define murder. Premeditated, unjustified, intentional killing without cause.
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Murder is wrong. I agree. Many have indeed. They have from the beginning which is why Paul had to write letters to and rebuke some of the early churches. Not much has changed. People are still selfish and want it their way.
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***Moral Relativism - Moral or ethical propositions do not reflect absolute and universal moral truths but instead exist relative to social, cultural, historical or personal references, and that no single standard exists by which to assess an ethical proposition's truth. A Christian's basis for right and wrong comes from God's moral law. This is the universal moral truth. It is a standard which is above and not relative to the shifting sands of each individual.
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Ahhh.... The shifting sands of moral relativism.
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Someone reads and interprets only this. They determine based only on this verse that Jesus is advocating that one should hate his/her family in order to follow him (which by the way violates the 5th Commandment). Someone else reads the entire passage in order to gain the reader’s intent and meaning. He/she interprets that Jesus is using a literary style in order to emphasize a point. He/she determines that Jesus is using exaggeration in order to demonstrate the… “Cost of Being a Disciple.” Can both interpretations be correct? Is it all just “whatever it means to whomever reads it?” Do you apply that same concept to your studies?
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That happens a lot but what has that got to do with the need for proper and thorough Biblical discernment?
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Through the practice of hermeneutics. Like I said before, one has to take into account more than just the face value of a word they find in scripture.
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It's our job to figure out the meaning and intent and whether it should apply or not. You can't always just take things at face value. That should appeal to someone like yourself.
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....Ok...... Point being that not all are literal. Examples are being made to emphasize a teaching.
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You've got to read the text in its proper context understanding who it was written to, the literary style present, meaning in its original Greek, what the writer intended to say, etc. If you read that chapter (I'm sure you have already; I mean that seriously), it's pretty obvious that he was using hyperbole to make a point. Especially given his pattern throughout the Gospels. That chapter is also full of other hypothetical examples. I wholeheartedy agree that we shouldn't "pick and choose" to suite our purposes as you said. As far as Old Testament law versus New Testament law, we've been over the differences already before. I'm sure you remember. It's dangerous to "pick and choose" versus out of the Bible and assign meaning without studying the ones before and after. Cults do this all the time.
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Other examples of hyperbole in the Bible: - By my God I can leap over a wall” (Ps. 18:29) - I beat [my enemies] fine as dust before the wind” (Ps. 18:42) - A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you” (Ps. 91:7) - You are all together beautiful, my love; there is no flaw in you” (Song 4:7) - The wicked “cannot sleep unless they have done wrong; they are robbed of sleep unless they have made someone stumble” (Prov. 4:16) - When you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing” (Matt. 6:3) - It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God” (Matt. 19:24) - The Kingdom of God “is like a grain of mustard seed that a man took and sowed in his garden, and it grew and became a tree, and the birds of the air made nests in its branches” (Luke 13:19). luke 14:26: Hate or hyperbole?
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This chapter is really dealing with false prophets and capital punishment. ***Very early in human history, God decreed that murderers were to forfeit their own lives: “Whoever sheds man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he the man” (Genesis 9:6). This standard continued into the Mosaic period (cf. Numbers 35:33). As a matter of fact, the law God gave to Moses to regulate the Israelite nation made provision for at least sixteen capital crimes. In sixteen instances, the death penalty was to be invoked. The first four may be categorized as pertaining to civil matters. This is called hyperbole. A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton. God doesn't want you to hate your family. He's just illustrating the depth of how your love for him should be based on the depth of love he has for you.
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What's your point? Added: Um... Nevermind. I don't care.
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Now that takes faith.
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You may strive to not lie, cheat, steal, or hurt people but have you ever in the past? Will you not ever again? If so, you stand guilty of breaking God's moral law and will be judged accordingly? There is no statute of limitations in this matter. You will be judged for "every" thought and deed during your lifetime. It makes sense even in our concept of justice. If someone murdered another, would it matter how long ago it happened with reference to guilt and punishment? Added: I may have intended this reply to pirana and not you. I think he said what I quoted above.
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Sorry. I've included a slow speed version.
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Simply absurd and asinine.
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From the Atheist's perspective, our existence apart from God is also a matter of faith. They’ve got no proof of the beginnings of things, only unsubstantiated theory. No matter how many examples Billvon might provide, there is still no accepted “missing link.” There is no first cause. There is no idea of what came before. My life experience is my biggest proof. I've moved from the realm of faith into the realm of experience. I can see now that God has always been active in my life. I also see the amazing complexity and design of everything around me. For a painting to exist there had to be a painter. For a building to exist there had to be a builder. I also see the fulfilled prophesy in the Bible which screams of His existence. The fulfillment of even a portion of prophesy attributed to Jesus is astronomical.
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Where does it say that? Added: You see... Not only is the above completely wrong in the way that it is supposedly quoted, neither attributes are in their proper context. You are picking words out of the Bible to form your own sentences of what you want it to mean. Yes, God is a jealous God wanting all to come to repentance and follow him. Yes, you should fear the righteous judement of God. He is what you should fear most if you are not a child of God. No, God fears nothing or no one.